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Central Auction House, the most wanted feature
bathynomusESO
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Central Auction House, the most wanted feature. Everyone wants it, except the bots and elite guilds. Do it.
Edited by ZOS_Suserial on August 3, 2022 6:58PM 3
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bathynomusESO✭✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »Central Auction House, the most wanted feature. Everyone wants it, except the bots and elite guilds. Do it.
The bots don't want it, the elite guilds don't want it. They want total control of the market. Fix the game.1 -
Luke_Flamesword✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nope, even you don't want but just don't know it.
All items in one place is perfect enviroment for guys with millions gold just to buy all good stuff with lowest prices and to sell it with higher. Things like gold platings will just skyrocket. Now you have a chance to buy it with better price because no one is desperate enough to go to every freaking seller in whole game.
Present system is much more difficult for manipulating market than one central auction house...PC | EU | DC |Stam Dk Breton9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »Central Auction House, the most wanted feature. Everyone wants it, except the bots and elite guilds. Do it.
Since they are making bizarre changes to the game this year, this would not surprise me for the 4th quarter special feature.
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NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »Central Auction House, the most wanted feature.
Nope.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!8 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »bathynomusESO wrote: »Central Auction House, the most wanted feature. Everyone wants it, except the bots and elite guilds. Do it.
The bots don't want it, the elite guilds don't want it. They want total control of the market. Fix the game.
Quite the opposite. In the decentralized market, ESO has it is significantly more challenging for anyone to try to control the market. Bots would love a centralized market as they can search and buy items at a lower cost faster than any player could even think about searching. It is all in one place for them and how they do it in other games.
oh, And I am not in an elite guild nor am I a bot.
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MaraxusTheOrc✭✭✭✭✭I’m neither a bit nor an elite whatever. I like the regional guild traders. Do not want central traders at all.4 -
Northwold✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Would love a central auction house but accept that ZOS have chosen decentralised traders as their hill to die on, so it's unlikely to happen.
But I really, really think ESO needs a means for people to sell things that is NOT gated behind guild membership (no spamming zone chat is not a substitute - - it is so not a substitute that players often report people who try to sell this way for spam). It is literally the only major MMO that gates selling in this way, behind a player-administered gate. Indeed, most MMOs don't have a gate to selling of any description.
I do find the linkage between selling and guild membership utterly baffling and I cannot see any logical reason why it should exist. Selling is a fundamental back-end mechanic that impacts on all sorts of different gameplay styles for all sorts of different players. WHY use it to try to force people who don't want to to join guilds? You just end up irritating people and throwing up a pointless and annoying extra step before people can sell things.Edited by Northwold on August 3, 2022 8:28PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Don't want it.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger69,420 achievement points2 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"But I really, really think ESO needs a means for people to sell things that is NOT gated behind guild membership"
You can find guilds with no dues and no requirements other than log into the game at least once every two weeks. You can turn off guild chat and it will be like they do not even exist.
I see your comment the same as saying we need to make it so trials are not gated behind joining a group.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It's also a feature that every time it comes up to the Devs and they've spoken on it, it's been "No."
It's also a feature that when it comes up on the forums, it sparks a fair bit of debate from posters who are neither elite guilds nor bots. Well, unless you define "elite guild" as "has a guild trader most weeks" in which case I'm guilty as charged.0 -
Fata1moose✭✭✭✭✭I have Spears, spellsword, crossbows, veteran overland, vanilla zone remake, mannequins and weapon racks, NPC schedules, audio overhaul, melee impact improvements all well above a central auction house I don’t want.1 -
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✭✭✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »bathynomusESO wrote: »Central Auction House, the most wanted feature. Everyone wants it, except the bots and elite guilds. Do it.
The bots don't want it, the elite guilds don't want it. They want total control of the market. Fix the game.
Your not going to win any support by Baiting most of the people on the forums here and insulting them.2 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is interesting how the responses prove the title is not correct.
Edited by Amottica on August 3, 2022 11:18PM1 -
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✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »Central Auction House, the most wanted feature. Everyone wants it, except the bots and elite guilds. Do it.
I'm in no "elite guilds" (I'm assuming those are the ones with spots in major capitals and large weekly dues) and I'm no bot, despite Google sometimes suggesting otherwise. That being said, I don't want a central auction house.
Your argument might have gotten more support were it not so hostile towards people who don't agree with it.Imperial DK and Necro tank. PC/NA
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Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You can program a bot to browse a centralized auction house. You cannot program a bot to navigate the world and buy items in guild stores. Items that might not even be there.
Also the most wanted feature is spell crafting.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.1 -
bathynomusESO✭✭✭It is interesting how the responses prove the title is not correct.
The responses prove my point. Those who are making bank using the current system do not want change, because they are the ones to lose the most. If you are making the most gold, you oppose a system that is more equal. Hence, you make less gold, while the average player actually has more opportunity.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »It is interesting how the responses prove the title is not correct.
The responses prove my point. Those who are making bank using the current system do not want change, because they are the ones to lose the most. If you are making the most gold, you oppose a system that is more equal. Hence, you make less gold, while the average player actually has more opportunity.
Opportunity to do what exactly? It's really just the same as the combat changes. People think that nerfing everyone will hurt the elites more, but in actuality the elites (whether that's combat or the economy) are going to adapt to the changes better than the rest. I know people who do nothing but trading in this game. You really think these people are not going to watch over an auction house like hawks and instantly buy up anything that's not already being sold for maximum profit? This is ultimately going to drive prices and inflation and that hurts the average Joe.
ESO's trading system is based around creating communities (guilds) and is unfriendly to the individual for the benefit of the masses. By making it harder for the top traders to control the market, people can happen to find cheap deals randomly which would be almost impossible if a small group of people could watch over the auction house 24/7. These lucky events are what ultimately keep the market cheaper than it would be on an auction house.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.1 -
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✭✭No thanks, if you think prices are unreasonable now wait until all those high prices only have 1 - 100 gold price difference between individual listings on page after page of search results.
You get your central auction house implemented and within a week, you will be on here again complaining about having to farm everything yourself after being priced out of the market on the majority of things.1 -
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✭Bots definitely want a central trading system, which makes it a lot easier to sell their farmed materials without having to be part of a guild. However, a larger supply base and the elimination of arbitrage based on guild trader location should actually lower prices for many commodities. But at the same time it will open up the door for easier price manipulation on other items.
Of course trading guilds mostly don't want a central system, as it impacts their play style and the reason for these guilds to exist. That's like saying:- PVP players don't want Cyrodiil to be turned into a PVE zone
- Raiding guilds don't want ZOS to stop creating new trials and focus purely on new solo arenas
- Casual gamers don't want overland difficult to resemble veteran DLC dungeons
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bathynomusESO✭✭✭"price manipulation" would not be a thing if they implemented Guild Wars 2 min/max... if an item sells for 5k max, you cannot sell it for more than 5k max.0
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bathynomusESO✭✭✭Also, we would not need 3rd party executables, that can potentially harm our computers, nor would we need 5 different addons to deal with trading.0
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Northwold✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭."But I really, really think ESO needs a means for people to sell things that is NOT gated behind guild membership"
You can find guilds with no dues and no requirements other than log into the game at least once every two weeks. You can turn off guild chat and it will be like they do not even exist.
I see your comment the same as saying we need to make it so trials are not gated behind joining a group.
Equating trials with selling, a back-end, game-wide mechanic, will never make sense no matter how many times, and in how many threads, you repeat it.Edited by Northwold on August 4, 2022 11:24AM1 -
mpicklesster✭✭✭✭Luke_Flamesword wrote: »Nope, even you don't want but just don't know it.
All items in one place is perfect enviroment for guys with millions gold just to buy all good stuff with lowest prices and to sell it with higher. Things like gold platings will just skyrocket. Now you have a chance to buy it with better price because no one is desperate enough to go to every freaking seller in whole game.
Present system is much more difficult for manipulating market than one central auction house...
Agreed. Star Wars: The Old Republic has a central auction house and they have precisely the problems listed above. Price fixing and inflation are massively out of control. There are items in their auction house that cost literally 1 billion credits. It's also not uncommon for new cosmetics to sell for hundreds of millions of credits. Not to mention, crafting materials are quickly bought up and monopolized by greedy, wealthy, price fixers.
ESO's trade system isn't perfect, but it's a better firewall against market manipulation than other games have. I wouldn't want ZOS to implement a central auction house unless they had a solid plan for mitigating price fixing and inflation (because an auction house just makes those problems worse).0 -
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✭✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »"price manipulation" would not be a thing if they implemented Guild Wars 2 min/max... if an item sells for 5k max, you cannot sell it for more than 5k max.
So, basically there would be price-fixing. Players being forced to sell at a price someone else chooses. Oh, I am sure that will go over well Everyone who farmed for hours to get that drop will love finding out they have to sell at a price someone else set. Not. [yes, this is a sarcastic comment]
Or do you mean no one would be allowed to sell any item for more than the npc vendor price? Where would the max price come from?
If the first sale fixes the price, of course no one would be scrambling like mad to be the first to list a new motif or gear piece, because that would be the only chance they'd have to charge a high premium for it. This could be problematic.
I'm not sure how my casual social guilds are supposed to be "elite". No dues, no sales required, trade if and when and how much you want, you set the prices guilds aren't exactly at the "elite" level of the major traders in the main hub towns. The people who demand a central sales system never seem to account for the players who trade casually, aren't out to make gigabillions in 24 hours, or buy all of Nirn to be emperor or something. There are over 200 traders in the game. Is every one of them taken every week, or are there slots open for non-elite guilds to get one? Personal choice to never join a guild because personal reasons shouldn't be why a system the devs determined would work should be changed.bathynomusESO wrote: »Also, we would not need 3rd party executables, that can potentially harm our computers, nor would we need 5 different addons to deal with trading.
I don't use 5 different addons to do my trading. I look in my guild stores, get a ballpark price, and list my items. If they sell in seconds I priced it too low. If they don't sell, I went too high. Why do I need addons? The high-end, TRADING IS THE END GAME traders might, but none of the people in my guilds do.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »It is interesting how the responses prove the title is not correct.
The responses prove my point. Those who are making bank using the current system do not want change, because they are the ones to lose the most. If you are making the most gold, you oppose a system that is more equal. Hence, you make less gold, while the average player actually has more opportunity.
That is an assumption.
I do not make bank and find no issue with the current system.
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bathynomusESO✭✭✭bathynomusESO wrote: »It is interesting how the responses prove the title is not correct.
The responses prove my point. Those who are making bank using the current system do not want change, because they are the ones to lose the most. If you are making the most gold, you oppose a system that is more equal. Hence, you make less gold, while the average player actually has more opportunity.
That is an assumption.
I do not make bank and find no issue with the current system.
I tend to use science and basic math.0 -
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✭bathynomusESO wrote: »
Then use your "science and basic math" to provide coherent arguments instead of baiting and belittling others who don't share your views.
For example, explain why bots don't want a central trading hub, which makes it easier to convert their auto-farmed materials into gold? Explain why bots won't benefit from the ability to access all listings in one place vs. having to deal with decentralized guild traders.
But given your original post and latest response, I have little hope that this will turn into a constructive discussion.1
