Oblivion damage is quite interesting and it isn't used much but, does it fit with Stendarr?

TaSheen wrote: »

I think a class "Vigilant of Stendarr" is far too specific for this game.

Not to mention that the order doesn't exist yet.

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Oblivion damage is quite interesting and it isn't used much but, does it fit with Stendarr?

Base idea is keeping effectiveness of passive/skills regardless of playing style (stam/mag), but effectively scaled relative to the player's characteristics (SpD/WpD, crit, etc) and content. Also, it is good for roleplayers who wanna play with maces or maul, that increase penetration.
I don't think the name of damage type matters, only property to dealing damage regardless of enemy resistance is important, to keep concept of the ​might Hammer.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I think a class "Vigilant of Stendarr" is far too specific for this game.

Not to mention that the order doesn't exist yet.

Why not? Main storyline is about invasion from Oblivion, that literally destroyed Cyrodiil.
The fighters guild isn't idolized by fighting daedra, they're just getting paid. This could be a continuation of the Fighters Guild storyline.
I also did not mean that Vigilants of Stendarr is litteraly lore-base for class, I meant the concept of fighters with Daedric cults, which arose after the recent Oblivion crisis, what fits well for eso for my opinion.
Also, Vigilants weren't first. Dawnguard was before them, and before them was something, and before...

It's too specific. Classes in ESO are "generic" - if YOU want to main a vigilant, fine - but many of us won't go for something that regimented.

Wat. What's "generic" in warden? Cheap copy of Druid archetype? That cant be decent nor animal summoner, nor frost mage?
Sorc? Pets and... lightining? Dark magic is ok, but lightining?
Couldn't Elementalyst be more "generic" as a separate class?
You over-idealize current game design.

I just suggested Paladin template with suitable lore and gameplay bases.
Templar also doesn't fill this "genecic" role: it is just a Prist, so everything about "generic" is fine.

Personally, I am not trying to suggest MY dream class. I try to suggest something new.
I dont wanna see e.g. chess as new "gameplay" feature in the next chapters.
Not again.

lQrukl wrote: »

It's too specific. Classes in ESO are "generic" - if YOU want to main a vigilant, fine - but many of us won't go for something that regimented.

Wat. What's "generic" in warden? Cheap copy of Druid archetype? That cant be decent nor animal summoner, nor frost mage?
Sorc? Pets and... lightining? Dark magic is ok, but lightining?
Couldn't Elementalyst be more "generic" as a separate class?
You over-idealize current game design.

I just suggested Paladin template with suitable lore and gameplay bases.
Templar also doesn't fill this "genecic" role: it is just a Prist, so everything about "generic" is fine.

Personally, I am not trying to suggest MY dream class. I try to suggest something new.
I dont wanna see e.g. chess as new "gameplay" feature in the next chapters.
Not again.

Well the main reason we are not getting new gameplay features is that the developers are struggling to add more skills to the game due to older generation consoles operating at the memory limit.

Personally I think Templars cover the Paladin archetype very well, so thematically I feel this idea isn't really adding anything new. But let me also critique your skill suggestions themselves.
"Stand Guard" sounds okay, but Negate and Earthgore already remove a lot of ground effects, so I'm not sure this actually fills any new niche other than being a pull, which is good in trash fights but kind of useless against bosses.
"Oblivion Disincarnation" is not going to work on abilities like Colossus, which don't count as a pet, but it's also an unfair design. If you give this class an ultimate like this, they would have to have built-in disadvantages somewhere to compensate, just like Necromancer has no mobility spells.
I'm also not a fan of your idea for "Absolute Order" because all of its effects are nothing the game needs right now. Groups in PvP are already hard enough to kill, even for other groups, and removing buffs is definitely an unfun addition that is already facing massive backlash at the moment with ZOS trying to add Nocturnal's Ploy.

So... let's think of something else?

A monk class based around martial arts would be cool because we actually have Khajiiti martial arts and warrior monks in the lore. A Dwemer-tinkerer could also be interesting, although I'd want it to be unsophisticated tinkery as to not completely trivialize the Dwemer ingeniuity.
I think right now we'd get the most mileage out of new weapons so spears, sword+spell, brass knuckles for "unarmed", a spell focus for "unarmed magic", thrown alchemical conconctions (for poison-based light attacks, among other cool effects).