Whitestrake's Mayhem PvE alternative?

fall0athboy · February 2022

Isn't the equivalent basically just the Undaunted event?

SeaGtGruff · February 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Dude. Pve players have, what, 5+ events a year [snip]

[snip] Join a group, learn a thing or two about pvp and you can handle yourself ina pvp for a couple weeks.

It's twice a year. And then there's the imperial city one separately. Stop pretending PvPers are so hard done by. Ask ZOS for PvP servers if you want to gank people so much in the PvE events.

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Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

Of course not, though ESO is primarily a PvE game with some PvP elements. You would be highly unlikely (especially from the threads that regularly pop up here) play ESO to only focus on PvP.

The event is not the issue, forcing those who really suck at PvP to participate for the tickets is the problem. Though I don't expect you to ever care.

It's not bad if you just lose all fear of dying to enemy players.

The 2 tickets from Cyrodiil or Battlegrounds are pretty easy to get if you do a scouting mission, Fighters Guild bounty mission, or town daily quest from a nearby neutral or friendly town.

And the 1 ticket from Imperial City is also pretty easy if you do the one for the Arena District and are patient.

hafgood · February 2022

I love the total misinformation people put out on threads like this:

1. All PvPers are gankers and are waiting at quest objectives for you - there is a mixture of truth and lie in this. Ganking does happen in IC, especially upstairs, it's about the only play style that really works there. In Cyrodiil gankers tend to be on the outside of the combat picking off stragglers, putting down camps, staying hidden to rez people when they can. They are rarely at quest turn in spots, the AP from killing the same person multiple times is not worth it.

2. That people don't play the game for PvP. I know plenty of players who spend 90% of their time PvPing, they only tend to PvE when they need new gear.

3. That it's toxic. Sometimes it can be, sometimes it isn't. Depends on who is on and is no different to zone chat outside of Cyrodiil.

4. That you will get salty whispers telling you you are rubbish, etc. I wish. I've PvPed for 3 years now and am still waiting my first salty message.

Before I tried Cyrodiil I hated PvP. I've had it forced on me in other games and it's not my thing. If I pick up a Battle Royale style game I know what I'm getting but in games such as this it's not for me.

And then I tried it. Fortunately my social guild has a sister PvP guild, I accepted an invite to join but still put it off. It wasn't for me.

Then I gave in, i tried it with a couple of friends, it was ok but I didn't see what the fuss was about and went back to not doing it.

Finally another MYM came around and I decided I would give it a go, I want all the achievements so I have to play. I had such fun in a organised disorganised group, the GM was running it I think and he is very charismatic. I started going in more and more often and had a lot of fun.

I've been distracted by vet Trials these last few months but am back PvPing (at rank 44 with an actual PvP build for the 1st time ever) and loving it.

If you have tried it and its not for you then fine, but if you haven't tried it you can't hate it. You can hate the idea but not the actual PvP itself. Give it a go, you may be surprised as to how much fun it can be.

My one moan at Zos though would be reduced group size. Because groups are limited to 12 we rarely pick up non guild members now, we have to use Guild Chat for communication when we have multiple groups and that excludes the randoms from being able to hear us which isn't what we would want.

noblecron · February 2022

I so badly would just want a pve only server or a setting so that you can't attack but can't be attacked. Then pvpers will be happy and pvers will be happy. I hate that this is a force pvp event. And yes I know there are advices like save quests and such but log in on an EP in a place controlled by the AD or DC for instance and they like to insta kill you for that AP

ValerraTheProwler · February 2022

If ESO is PvE catered then let it be PvE. Have different megaserver for PvP only.

Kwoung · February 2022

Well just logged in, entered a low pop instance of Cyrodiil, ran to the closest town, grabbed a quest, completed it without even seeing another player... ported to regular IC, entered the arena district, took the quest, ran a circle around the outer edge freeing hostages... queued back to Cyrodiil, queued back to IC, turned the quest in... done. Took all of 7 minutes, no deaths and no stealthing involved and got my tickets for the day.

I was actually expecting to have to respawn a couple times in IC, guess I got lucky. Gotta love when the PVP Event doesn't even involve PVP.

jaws343 · February 2022

ValerraTheProwler wrote: »

If ESO is PvE catered then let it be PvE. Have different megaserver for PvP only.

They do, it's called Cyrodil. You aren't forced to be there.

Kwoung · February 2022

jaws343 wrote: »

ValerraTheProwler wrote: »

If ESO is PvE catered then let it be PvE. Have different megaserver for PvP only.

They do, it's called Cyrodil. You aren't forced to be there.

I always find it odd that no one is supportive of how I feel having to do those boring, repetitive and painful PVE Event quests. I mean the game was designed, marketed and launched with PVP being the main goal and centerpiece of it.

Emmagoldman · February 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

So look, this event is pretty unpopular with PvErs for obvious reasons. The power and skill gap between people who actually PvP and people who just want their damn tickets is immense, which essentially results in frustration for the PvErs forced into these zones that are designed against the way they play the game.

Since I imagine a PvE phase for IC and Cyrodiil is off the table (Why), why not make Whitestrake's Mayhem a celebration of Cyrodiil? Let Gold Coast dailies give 1 ticket that's mutually exclusive with the Battlegrounds/Cyrodiil dailies. And then let Blackwood dailies give 2 tickets that're mutually exclusive with the Imperial City dailies, It's a win/win. PvPers still get to do their thing and PvErs have the option to not have a frustrating daily routine in ESO!

And maybe it'll cause less performance issues in Cyrodiil

Bat wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

You understand there is no comparison between PVP and PVE events. People aren't farmed by other people while completing a delve daily for tickets. It's disingenuous to suggest there's anything comparable between these two event types or that PVPers are in any way disenfranchised during PVE type events like PVEers are during PVP type events. So maybe that should be acknowledged.

Sorry but Its subjective. For a pvper, to grind out vdsa or maelstrom during an event is way worse than getting t bagged and laughing it off.

Grinding out wbs, dailies, overland mobs, jumping off bridges, whatever it is, people have their own opinions.

Its also funny that during the pvp event, loot drop from pve bosses and in cyro pve city quest give the quickest awards. So pve still wins!

Maybe its time to stop treating everything like a McDonald's drive thru and expecting to get what you want everytime

Alinhbo_Tyaka · February 2022

It is pretty easy to get the daily event tickets and not have to participate in PvP. The way I handle it is by going into a Cyrodiil instance where my alliance, Daggerfall, has control of a decent portion of the map and controls Bruma. This makes it highly unlikely that I will be ganked or run into enemy players. I always complete the easiest quest I can between the two quest givers for my tickets. Then depending upon conditions will run more quests for rewards chests. If Bruma is occupied I will try Chorrol, Weynon Priory or run a scouting mission for my tickets. Again these are low risk for running into PvP. If it turns out the other alliances control too much of Cyrodiil I just leave and come back later or try a different instance.

For IC I pickup all of the dailies since this can be done without having to enter the PvP area. I then try ball try to find an instance where my alliance has a ball group running then tag along to finish a daily I can turn in for tickets. I turn in the com0pleted quest and abandon the incomplete ones and leave. Again this is low risk for running into PvP and if the situtaion isn't favorable I leave and come back later.

Granden_Woodleafson · July 2022

Let the freakin PvP'ers have their day, PvE'ers don't have a clue what goes on in Cyrodiil; they just think it's a free-for-all with you walkin around pickin plants and some idiot with a billion XP comes up and kills you with its pinky.

alternatelder · July 2022

etchedpixels wrote: »

PvP folks have to do far more PvE events than vice versa.

Just be thankful there isn't a fishing event 8)

Once again, you are not facing more challenges in pve events than you do in pvp, unlike pveers who have to face veteran players potentially ruining their chances of getting tickets.

Megs77 · July 2022

etchedpixels wrote: »

PvP folks have to do far more PvE events than vice versa.

Just be thankful there isn't a fishing event 8)

I think, as a PVE player, you should be able and willing to dive in during a PVP event and at least sample what it's about. Seriously, you can jump in with any PVE build, don't group, spend a few minutes looking at your map to figure out where fights are happening, and just go in solo and try to be bonkers. You might have some fun, get your tail kicked like I do, get some AP, and maybe find another aspect of game to try. Gods know it needs some help atm. For real, you lose NOTHING by dying in Cyro, and at worst gain a few AP and work towards Caltrops or War Horn.

Megs77 · July 2022

alternatelder wrote: »

etchedpixels wrote: »

PvP folks have to do far more PvE events than vice versa.

Just be thankful there isn't a fishing event 8)

Once again, you are not facing more challenges in pve events than you do in pvp, unlike pveers who have to face veteran players potentially ruining their chances of getting tickets.

Just do a scout mission in Cyro, and the old faithful "save imperial citizens" in IC. It really isn't that stressful. Get your 3 tickets and a couple boon boxes.

Granden_Woodleafson · July 2022

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FlopsyPrince · July 2022

fall0athboy wrote: »

Isn't the equivalent basically just the Undaunted event?

Running the lowest dungeon is MUCH easier and safer (except maybe for falling behind the speed runners) than IC!

FlopsyPrince · July 2022

Megs77 wrote: »

alternatelder wrote: »

etchedpixels wrote: »

PvP folks have to do far more PvE events than vice versa.

Just be thankful there isn't a fishing event 8)

Once again, you are not facing more challenges in pve events than you do in pvp, unlike pveers who have to face veteran players potentially ruining their chances of getting tickets.

Just do a scout mission in Cyro, and the old faithful "save imperial citizens" in IC. It really isn't that stressful. Get your 3 tickets and a couple boon boxes.

Scouting missions can have significant risk, depending on if you have any areas with your alliance in primary control. And getting ganked along the way with that can cost you a LOT of time to rerun from the start. You are more likely to get a random gank with so many in Cyrodiil. You may get there safely, but you easily may not.

Though as I have said elsewhere, give the tickets for using the event item, like with the birthday cake. Give the other benefits for doing PvP stuff.

kind_hero · July 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Scouting missions can have significant risk, depending on if you have any areas with your alliance in primary control. And getting ganked along the way with that can cost you a LOT of time to rerun from the start. You are more likely to get a random gank with so many in Cyrodiil. You may get there safely, but you easily may not.

Though as I have said elsewhere, give the tickets for using the event item, like with the birthday cake. Give the other benefits for doing PvP stuff.

Why give tickets for using that event item? Where is the PvP in that?

It's not the X years joubilee to give tickets for nothing.

There are towns in Cyrodiil that have very easy daily quests. Each faction has a town nearby that is safer than the others. There is some risk, but you are near your keeps, it's not like you ran across the map for 30 minutes and you get killed 10 m away from your objective.

Scouting missions are not the best option, unless you need to scout something nearby. The town dailies are easy PvE content in PvP environment, that's all.

Amottica · July 2022

Vrienda wrote: »

So look, this event is pretty unpopular with PvErs for obvious reasons.

Not completely accurate. The event is unpopular with only some PvE players. Overall it is very popular which is why they add campaigns. I see PvE raiders spend a lot of time in Cyrodiil during this event and many from my casual social guild doing the same.

There are a number of threads offering sage advice for getting tickets while pretty much avoiding PvP. I have not seen any advice on how to get tickets during the numerous PvE events while avoiding PvE for those who pretty much just want to PvP.

Oh, and the thread below has an interesting poll about a PvE player in the PvP zone just go get tickets could wear green so people might avoid them. At this point and time almost 70% have voted no and only 16% voted in favor of the idea. Since most of the player base in PvE it seems to demonstrate the accuracy of my comment concerning how the PvE community feels about this event.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/613148/should-non-pvpers-wear-green-colored-clothing-for-do-not-attack-just-here-for-ticket-quests/p1

Elsonso · July 2022

Amottica wrote: »

Oh, and the thread below has an interesting poll about a PvE player in the PvP zone just go get tickets could wear green so people might avoid them. At this point and time almost 70% have voted no and only 16% voted in favor of the idea. Since most of the player base in PvE it seems to demonstrate the accuracy of my comment concerning how the PvE community feels about this event.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/613148/should-non-pvpers-wear-green-colored-clothing-for-do-not-attack-just-here-for-ticket-quests/p1

I am not sure that the referenced poll has bearing or insight on the popularity of the event. As someone who routinely skips MYM and spends more time in front of the Golden vendor than anywhere else in Cyrodiil, I can safely say that I would never vote "YES" to that poll.

The only reason I can think of to vote YES to that is so that all of the other PVE players wear green and distract the PVP players while I go about completing the quests wearing some other color.

Holycannoli · July 2022

Nope.

Do a simple scouting mission in Cyrodiil, do a simple daily in IC (Arena is easiest), then join a group and have some fun running around killing bosses and other players. You'll die too, yes, but unless you're carrying thousands of stones for some reason you lose nothing and your net gain should be higher anyway. Might be able to go to the sewers and do Molag Bal too.

It's the only time of the year IC is populated and it's a blast.

SpacemanSpiff1 · July 2022

the vast majority of events are pve. suck it up or sit it out

Wolfpaw · July 2022

As someone who just pvp's, with the exception of pve for pvp, add event tickets to ToT...anything to drop this horrible queue.

Amottica · July 2022

Elsonso wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Oh, and the thread below has an interesting poll about a PvE player in the PvP zone just go get tickets could wear green so people might avoid them. At this point and time almost 70% have voted no and only 16% voted in favor of the idea. Since most of the player base in PvE it seems to demonstrate the accuracy of my comment concerning how the PvE community feels about this event.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/613148/should-non-pvpers-wear-green-colored-clothing-for-do-not-attack-just-here-for-ticket-quests/p1

I am not sure that the referenced poll has bearing or insight on the popularity of the event. As someone who routinely skips MYM and spends more time in front of the Golden vendor than anywhere else in Cyrodiil, I can safely say that I would never vote "YES" to that poll.

The only reason I can think of to vote YES to that is so that all of the other PVE players wear green and distract the PVP players while I go about completing the quests wearing some other color.

It has a little more bearing than the inaccurate statement that this event is not popular with PvE players. Granted, it is clearly not popular with some, but there is nothing to suggest that the group of PvE players that do not like this event even comes close to representing a majority of PvE players.

In the end, it changes nothing as players will either deal with it or go without the tickets. Zenimax has shown no interest in changing this PvP event in favor of PvE players which makes sense as the super majority of events are PvE.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Have a good day.

morrowjen · July 2022

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I don't mind doing the PVP quests to get tickets. I have millions and millions of AP and all the PVP skill lines maxed out. But I do think there is a bit of willful ignorance to pretend that getting PVE tickets is just as much of a hassle for PVP players as it is for PVE players to get PVP tickets. The PVE quests are incredibly quick and simple. No PVP player has ever struggled to complete a PVE event quest. Even the "endgame" PVE event requires nothing more than killing the final boss of any normal dungeon like Fungal Grotto 1. If you are someone whose main focus is PVP, normal Fungal Grotto is a breeze to solo.

It is like comparing mountain climbing to going to the corner store to pick up milk. Those are not equivalent activities in terms of skill gap or barriers to entry.

People need to just be honest and say, "Getting tickets in PVP events is much more difficult than getting tickets in PVE events. Tough. I don't care. PVP is supposed to be harder." Rather than pretending that the two activities are equivalent.

To be fair, the PVE events don't require anyone to raid or run vet dlc dungeons for tickets. The idea of FG1 as endgame is hilarious

Getting Cyro tix is a breeze as long as your alliance has control of one of the towns. However, IC is asking a lot from players that don't pvp and are only there for the tickets. Experiences in IC are the very reason so many players say they hate pvp. If they'd gone to Cyro first they might've come away liking PVP but if IC is the first impression it's all hate and for good reason. The place is a nightmare for lower level players and noobs.

Oakenaxe · July 2022

This is the only event I actually enjoy, the only PvP event we have. If it is too much for you, just wait for the next ones and get the motif (if that is what you want with the tickets) through the past event rewards bag. Continue to play the game like you were playing before the event started.

Dem_kitkats1 · July 2022

Granden_Woodleafson wrote: »

What a stupid thread, not the OP, just the idiotic typucal PvP-centric responses. Go play WoW if all you want to do is go around murdering people.

Lol it's 1 of 2 events out of 20 that is in PvP territory (you don't even need to do actual PvPing to be rewarded). Yet players think it should be changed to be more suitable for PvErs. Yes, very PvP-centric indeed...

Nomadic_Atmoran · July 2022

I really dont understand the frustration with this event. I almost never encounter PvP unless Im seeking it out during this event. If I want to just jump in real quick and grab the tickets I can. The only Alliance that might have a bit of trouble or requires some level of risk in my opinion is AD players. As they dont exactly have a town thats uncapturable to go to for repeatable PvE content that Im aware of (granted I dont really like playing on AD side). But if youre EP or DC you have a town nearby a home keep that you can easily access and do quick quests for. Granted DC side usually has you hiking a good bit across the map in DC territory to finish. But I jump in, run to Cheydinhal and Im usually in and out in less than 10 minutes. Rarely do I see players from other factions and when I do they are often just there for the quests themselves. I do this often on the more populated servers too.

Im not saying youll never see PvP doing this. But if I can do this every six months and have a pretty quiet experience the majority of the time there. Then I know its repeatable for others.

Lumsdenml · July 2022

Bat wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Wow, 2 pvp events a year. You know, pvp players are forces to do pve, but not vice versa?

No sympathies, not what so ever

You understand there is no comparison between PVP and PVE events. People aren't farmed by other people while completing a delve daily for tickets. It's disingenuous to suggest there's anything comparable between these two event types or that PVPers are in any way disenfranchised during PVE type events like PVEers are during PVP type events. So maybe that should be acknowledged.

And if course, there aren't toxic PVEers who vote to kick PVPers in dungeons because they are too slow or can't sustain on a boss or don't know the mechanics of the dungeon. If you ask PVPers to adjust their builds for dungeon events and learn mechanics, then maybe PVEers could do the same for the 2 PVP events.

Lumsdenml · July 2022

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

Because of these opinions, the eso community is very divided. I have not yet seen a single game where pve and pvp are actually two completely different games in one.
OP also wanted the dlc dungeons to be excluded from the rnd queue. I think that there are simply people who do not accept any challenge in any form.

Cute, you completely missed the point I made in that thread too. Issue wasn't with the difficulty so much as the fact that I had to rely on other people for it. People who, at least on EU servers, can't always understand English (Which is fine, the issue is we're all crammed on one server because megaservers are the single greatest War Crime ever committed against MMO's).

Your point was that you don't want to go to a PvP zone and you think ESO would be better with no PvP activities. We just know it's not a valid point given ESO is also a PvP game.....or was in the beginning at least.

More than that, PVP was the original end game.