Why is the Imperial race still paywalled?
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(You're slightly off on the timing as well. The game switched to buy-to-play and introduced the crown store in March 2015, the One Tamriel update wasn't until October 2016.)
Apologies, the business model was indeed changed with Tamriel Unlimited in March 2015 and the game/zone structure changed with One Tamriel in October 2016. The Wiki quote correctly stated Tamriel Unlimited whereas I referred to it by mistake as One Tamriel.0 -
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✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »EdmondDontes wrote: »This is the standard ZOS marketing tactic. Everything decent, even storage, is behind a paywall.
It's what happens when people don't want to pay subscriptions. They want everything for free, and then complain as soon as an alternative revenue source is implemented which it has to be because game development and maintenance is no different to anything else in life, it costs money on which a return has to be earned. At least there's no inherent game-winning advantage in anything that is locked behind a paywall in ESO, ZOS have done a good job thus far in not falling into the Pay To Win trap.
It's a pay to play marketing strategy in disguise. And, given the way they've continuously put new OP gear in new chapters/expansions, a strong argument can be made that there is a pay to win strategy in effect as well; case and point, Oakensoul.
No one has ever explained what someone gets if they "pay to win" in this game. Will buying the Imperial race get me made emperor automatically, no more effort needed? Or how about a slot at the top of the leaderboards? Come on, I paid to win, so you've got to let me win, right? Better yet, how about getting a full set of those perfected weapons because I bought Imperial race? Why should I have to work for the stuff if I paid to win? I mean, I solo pve 99.99% of the time, so letting me get ahead of all the pvpers and progressive trials people because I bought the Imperial edition is only right, right?3 -
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✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »EdmondDontes wrote: »This is the standard ZOS marketing tactic. Everything decent, even storage, is behind a paywall.
It's what happens when people don't want to pay subscriptions. They want everything for free, and then complain as soon as an alternative revenue source is implemented which it has to be because game development and maintenance is no different to anything else in life, it costs money on which a return has to be earned. At least there's no inherent game-winning advantage in anything that is locked behind a paywall in ESO, ZOS have done a good job thus far in not falling into the Pay To Win trap.
Bro I paid a WoW subscription since middle school, and only quit when the game went downhill. This isnt about kids these days wanting everything for free. People will pay a sub if the game is good enough.
The reason live services move to the MTX model is simple: profit. They can make far more by [SNIP] a "free to play" or "buy to play" [SNIP] than by catering to a slightly smaller audience that gives them consistent revenue.
Stop blaming your fellow gamers for the current state of AAA gaming. We weren't the ones asking for this.
To add on that, even those who DID ask for it generally don't want everything for free. People are generally fine with paying for substantial expansions and cosmetics. What they tend to not like in being cash store exclusive is classes/characters and power. And even in the case of classes/characters most don't mind those being in the cash shop for faster as long as there is a way to grind them out.
Good point.
Probably why Imperial is Not (and will never be) BIS Race for stamina classes. That would be a sign of P2W.
So we get to Pay ... for a Race that will Never be the preferred Race ... for Any particular class.
Yeah. That's good thinking.
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✭TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »Not defending imperial being paywalled but it is a very strong race for tanking. It's either the best or slightly behind redguard depending on the fight for as the BIS race for tanking. It's far from teh useless option that people like to make it out to be.
In the beginning of the game no one used the Imperial race to be honest.
From memory it wasn't that searched for 'as best in slot' (excuse my french).
I did find it a bit strange that something as simple as another race was a paid extra, even back then, but I did buy it so I can't complain now.
My purchase was base game at launch (price of the time) + the imperial race upgrade.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »EdmondDontes wrote: »This is the standard ZOS marketing tactic. Everything decent, even storage, is behind a paywall.
It's what happens when people don't want to pay subscriptions. They want everything for free, and then complain as soon as an alternative revenue source is implemented which it has to be because game development and maintenance is no different to anything else in life, it costs money on which a return has to be earned. At least there's no inherent game-winning advantage in anything that is locked behind a paywall in ESO, ZOS have done a good job thus far in not falling into the Pay To Win trap.
Bro I paid a WoW subscription since middle school, and only quit when the game went downhill. This isnt about kids these days wanting everything for free. People will pay a sub if the game is good enough.
The reason live services move to the MTX model is simple: profit. They can make far more by [SNIP] a "free to play" or "buy to play" [SNIP] than by catering to a slightly smaller audience that gives them consistent revenue.
Stop blaming your fellow gamers for the current state of AAA gaming. We weren't the ones asking for this.
To add on that, even those who DID ask for it generally don't want everything for free. People are generally fine with paying for substantial expansions and cosmetics. What they tend to not like in being cash store exclusive is classes/characters and power. And even in the case of classes/characters most don't mind those being in the cash shop for faster as long as there is a way to grind them out.
Good point.
Probably why Imperial is Not (and will never be) BIS Race for stamina classes. That would be a sign of P2W.
So we get to Pay ... for a Race that will Never be the preferred Race ... for Any particular class.
Yeah. That's good thinking.
That's why I think it should be made free, but don't think other old upgrades should be.0 -
ElvenOverlord✭✭✭✭I got lucky. I got it as a new player a couple years back but requested a refund cause I didn't think it was worth the price and I regretted spending that much. I got my crowns refunded but was able to keep the imperial edition upgrade. Seeing as how all my other refunds had the item I purchased removed I'm guessing that was an oversight but I'm not complaining lolEdited by ElvenOverlord on July 27, 2022 10:05PM0 -
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✭✭✭You could buy the Crowns for the cost with gems. The gold price varies, but you could pay it with gold if you wanted it. You would have to make the gold in the game of course, but it wouldn't take any "real money"!PC
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Scaletho✭✭✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »This is the standard ZOS marketing tactic. Everything decent, even storage, is behind a paywall.
It's what happens when people don't want to pay subscriptions. They want everything for free, and then complain as soon as an alternative revenue source is implemented which it has to be because game development and maintenance is no different to anything else in life, it costs money on which a return has to be earned. At least there's no inherent game-winning advantage in anything that is locked behind a paywall in ESO, ZOS have done a good job thus far in not falling into the Pay To Win trap.
Well, I pay ESO + for years and never got Imperials for free, for instance. Still have to pay for it.0 -
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✭Since the Cyro Jungle Home is available to everyone now, it's like "meh"
That's my fave small home and it was just for Imperials, LOL
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✭✭✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »This is the standard ZOS marketing tactic. Everything decent, even storage, is behind a paywall.
It's what happens when people don't want to pay subscriptions. They want everything for free, and then complain as soon as an alternative revenue source is implemented which it has to be because game development and maintenance is no different to anything else in life, it costs money on which a return has to be earned. At least there's no inherent game-winning advantage in anything that is locked behind a paywall in ESO, ZOS have done a good job thus far in not falling into the Pay To Win trap.
Well, I pay ESO + for years and never got Imperials for free, for instance. Still have to pay for it.
But you've got plenty of Crowns as part of the ESO+ package which you could use to pay for it.0 -
Scaletho✭✭✭✭✭EdmondDontes wrote: »But you've got plenty of Crowns as part of the ESO+ package which you could use to pay for it.
With all due respect. this fact doesn't justify the Imperial paywall for all players after all these years. In fact, it represents the policy of paywall to access other paywalls. And this is absolutely unfair. And absurd.0 -
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✭✭Yeah, I understand it made a lot more sense back in 2015 when it was launched but now? I have so many nice mounts and pets that it's literally only the race I'd pay for - and 20 euros is a really high asking price for that lol.
Mounts are more expensive then I'm the past. There's no other murcrab pet that is the same.
Imperial race is just like buying necromancer class. If you really want it then trade gold for it0 -
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✭barney2525 wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »psychotrip wrote: »EdmondDontes wrote: »This is the standard ZOS marketing tactic. Everything decent, even storage, is behind a paywall.
It's what happens when people don't want to pay subscriptions. They want everything for free, and then complain as soon as an alternative revenue source is implemented which it has to be because game development and maintenance is no different to anything else in life, it costs money on which a return has to be earned. At least there's no inherent game-winning advantage in anything that is locked behind a paywall in ESO, ZOS have done a good job thus far in not falling into the Pay To Win trap.
Bro I paid a WoW subscription since middle school, and only quit when the game went downhill. This isnt about kids these days wanting everything for free. People will pay a sub if the game is good enough.
The reason live services move to the MTX model is simple: profit. They can make far more by [SNIP] a "free to play" or "buy to play" [SNIP] than by catering to a slightly smaller audience that gives them consistent revenue.
Stop blaming your fellow gamers for the current state of AAA gaming. We weren't the ones asking for this.
To add on that, even those who DID ask for it generally don't want everything for free. People are generally fine with paying for substantial expansions and cosmetics. What they tend to not like in being cash store exclusive is classes/characters and power. And even in the case of classes/characters most don't mind those being in the cash shop for faster as long as there is a way to grind them out.
Good point.
Probably why Imperial is Not (and will never be) BIS Race for stamina classes. That would be a sign of P2W.
So we get to Pay ... for a Race that will Never be the preferred Race ... for Any particular class.
Yeah. That's good thinking.
Except Imperial is a great race for tanking and for stamina PvP. Just look at their stats. ....and that's probably why the paywall....because people will pay to have that combination of stats in certain situations.0 -
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✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »They nerfed the Imperial a Looooong time ago, got rid of its passive Heal.
Now its not even a first choice for ANY class. Imperial outfits are not particularly noteworthy, so just adding the motif to the large number of items you never wear isn't worth much.
Doesn't even have a very good range of hair colors IMHO
It doesn't seem worthy of paying $20 to add the race. As a matter of fact, when I started the new account from scratch I did not buy the Imperial package because I could not see any reason to use it. Other races perform better. And as of this writing, I still have not bought it for this account.
Doesn't matter if the race sucks in game or not, the imperial race is one of, if not the most popular races in TES. There's a reason why ZoS shoved it behind a paywall, rather than, say, Bosmers, Orcs, Bretons etc.
Bethsesda released a chart of the most played race within TES just after Skyrim released and Imperials were on top by a good margin in both Oblivion and Skyrim. Morrowind was closer between Dunmers and Imperials, but it was still Imperials out in front.
Imperial passives in sp TES games tend not to be great either, but it doesn't seem to make a difference. A lot of people still play them.
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No, imperials are definitely a race. A race which is also found outside Cyrodiil.Honestly, I think the game is somewhat schizophrenic with imperials.
For one thing they are not really a race - are they? I would assume that being an 'Imperial; just indicates that you are a resident of Cyrodill, no?
No one knows because there is no Emperor atm and Cyrodiil is in shambles with Imperial City being full of daedra.And no one knows who the emperor is because they are all fighting over it - apart that is for the actual Imperials and the Tharn family who happily stomp around in Elsweyr (and elsewhere) generally being horrible to all the alliances
And not all imperials are being horrible. There are neutral and friendly groups too, who are not servants of Molag Bal (which many were made not willingly) or serve Euraxia Tharn. Abnur is even against his half-sister and fighting her.
But ZOS is still treating imperials badly in ESO. Their content, portrayal etc. Is all bad. They don't even have their own furniture in base game, that's recolour of Breton, and imperial players get no recognition from npcs. Not even sure if they get any in Blackwood.[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!0 -
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✭I mean breton are magicka focused, imperials are somewhat stamina bretons visually
they work has stam tanks etc so yeah ppl buy itEdited by francesinhalover on July 28, 2022 1:02AMI am @fluffypallascat pc eu if someone wants to play together
Shadow strike is the best cp passive ever!0 -
TmzOS✭✭A personal point about the topic: I'd like to buy more crown items if some of them were more cheap. Having more options for gameplay is always nice, but "too many small options", usually overpriced, is annoying.
Not only for the Imperial Edition but for general crown content, especially in a game called "buy-to-play" (when we expect to pay something but not that much constantly). They could fix it with much more sales and nice discounts, but apparently those are getting worse this year.0