SteamKitten01 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I guess it's because of my preferred playstyle-- minimal "weaving" per se-- but so far in my comparisons between Live U34 and PTS U35 I'm seeing virtually identical times:

Volenfell (normal) - Live: 38 and 39 minutes (2 runs) - PTS: 38 minutes (1 run)

Nilthog - Live: 10 minutes - PTS: 10 minutes
Salothan - Live: 5 minutes - PTS: 5 minutes (but I wiped 6 times over 9 minutes before I got my act together)
Dubdil - Live: 10 minutes - PTS: 10 minutes
Egg Mine - Live: 8 minutes - PTS: 8 minutes
Song Bird - Live: 7 minutes (but another player came along at the 7 minutes mark and ended it) - PTS: 10 minutes

Doing a bit of math, given that most World Bosses have somewhere in the range of ~2.5M HP (Salothan being an outlier since it's actually multiple smaller bosses that you burn down together with ~500k HP each), that's 2,500,000 damage/(60*10)= 4,166 DPS

You can't do that math based on the bosses alone, because almost all of the bosses in Vvardenfell spawn wave after wave of adds, and unless you're a solo player with extremely high DPS such that you can burn down the boss in a hurry, you're going to spend a good deal of time dealing with the adds as well.

I'm not going to deny that my DPS is low, and I've stated that myself many times. I enjoy playing solo as a tanky wet noodle; it's fun and challenging to me, and that's how I like it. When high-DPS "vet" players complain about how boring content is because they can just one-shot everything, I quite agree-- burning through everything is boring and unchallenging, and I've consciously chosen to avoid that path.

But what I am saying is that I spend most of my time fighting the wave after wave of adds, not just fighting a boss all by itself, so your math needs to take that into account or the numbers will be bogus.

In that respect, Salothan is an outlier for two reasons-- the adds do not spawn as often as they do with the other Vvardenfell bosses, and there are fewer adds in each wave. Also, it's fairly easy to deal with the adds who stick close by at the same time as you're fighting the bosses, because you can attack all of them together in a group. (As I've mentioned before, if not in this thread, I prefer close melee fighting, not ranged attacks.) So it's understandable that I can solo Salothan in half the time it takes me to solo Nilthog, Dubdil, and Song Bird.

But my contribution to this topic wasn't about DPS; it was about the actual effect of the changes as far as how long it takes to clear specific content. I can speak only for myself, and I haven't yet been able to test how my PC EU main will be affected, but I'm relieved that the changes don't seem to be having any appreciable impact on my PC NA main, given his specific build and style of fighting. Others' mileage may vary from mine-- and I'm sure it will-- but I can only report on my own experiences.

pklemming wrote: »

Did some testing on my Magplar on PTS. The animation is horrid and the 800ms timing is throwing stuff off. The 20 second+ timers are beyond dull.

Only getting 92k on the dummy as jabs kept on messing me up, that is way down from live, before I take off the numbers for the buffed PTS dummy. I can probably get 100k with a little more practice to get used to jabs, but even 100k is going to be a significant dps loss when the trial dummy buffs are taken in to account.

This is on a static target. very few of the fights I do are static, the dots are pretty much pointless at those values.

Oh, and I love that I have timers of 6, 20, 22 and 26 seconds. Awesome way to tie those nicely together.

Did I mention I hate the new animation with a passion?

Templars have nothing to complain about. You dropped from 100k to 92k, big deal. Some classes like wardens and sorcs lost 30k+.
Templars are also the easiest class to play, literally spamming 1 skill gets you 90k. Theres 0 skill involved unlike Warden or NB.
Zos should really take into account how the dps is achieved. 1 bar and 1 skill builds shouldn't yield the same results as some other classes with complicated dynamic rotations.
Templars need to lose another 10-20k to be in line with others.