[For PVE Players] Are you satisfied/excited with changes to the Oakensoul Ring?

Riptide · July 2022

Yes

Well, if you are being slaughtered over and over because of it, it would get pretty distracting wouldn’t it. Even sort of awful, right? They are people too.

On the reverse, you naturally wouldn’t see as many threads saying “I’m too strong, nerf oakensoul” from us.

It isn’t pvpers fault this wasn’t done before the expansion launched, or done this way.

dem0n1k · July 2022

ZOS have done a wonderful job right here. They release an OP mythic with a paid chapter & bundle it up as an 'accessibility' option. Great! Everyone wants it, whether it's for easier play on one bar or just OP buffs for free.. everyone is going to buy the chapter & farm it.
Then, as expected, they nerf it hard... but instead of the player base getting angry at ZOS for doing the exact same thing they have done numerous times, one section of the player base tries to blame another section for it.
Well played ZOS!

Bokila · July 2022

No

The people that voted "yes" did not purchase the expansion 🤣

jecks33 · July 2022

No

dem0n1k wrote: »

ZOS have done a wonderful job right here. They release an OP mythic with a paid chapter & bundle it up as an 'accessibility' option. Great! Everyone wants it, whether it's for easier play on one bar or just OP buffs for free.. everyone is going to buy the chapter & farm it.
Then, as expected, they nerf it hard... but instead of the player base getting angry at ZOS for doing the exact same thing they have done numerous times, one section of the player base tries to blame another section for it.
Well played ZOS!

Zos is building a toxic community of pvers angry to pvpers and casuals angry to endgamers, every decision they make benefits someone while harming someone else

SydneyGrey · July 2022

No

If something works and people enjoy it, it needs to be nerfed, obviously. /s

SickleCider · July 2022

I'm honestly sick of the predictable cycle. Just once I'd like to see them put something in the game and then leave it alone.

colossalvoids · July 2022

No

This item actually did way better job at rising the floor than expected.

xgoku1 · July 2022

ZOS again confirming why I don't buy their Chapters on launch. Imagine stressing out in Murkmire to get this only to be nerfed worthless in 2 months.

Fool me once, fool me twice, fool me all the time. I'm surprised people still fall for these OP sets/mythics that literally only exist to boost their launch sales numbers.

jtm1018 · July 2022

No

Another bait build, op item is always over rated, they always nerfed them in the end.

Release them op for new chapter.
Nerf them when the time is right.
Rinse, repeat, every year.

Oakensoul is the only reason I baught hi isle.

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Roztlin45 · July 2022

No

All that hard work to get and a great addition to solo pve. Is.It really that hard just to exclude from pvp?

jtm1018 · July 2022

No

Dawnblade wrote: »

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Bait and switch.

Best m.o ever.

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DreamyLu · July 2022

I just want to see the outcome of the poll

Sorry, I don't care much for myself, as I have no need for such equipment for the content I do. However, am interested to see how concerned players feel about it.

No4h · July 2022

No

This ring made me enjoy the game so much more.
I hate to constantly bar swap and use 10 different abilities all the time!
I have a lot of respect for players who master this, don't get me wrong.

For me personally (and a whole lot of other ppl) the bar swap thing is just not fun to do.
And isn't that the purpose of playing a game after all? Having fun

It didn't hurt the players who master bar swapping at all, it only made the game more fun for the average player like myself.

Tenthirty2 · July 2022

No

I think the real point is it doesn't matter if I like it or not, the dev team is going to do what they want irregardless of whether me or anyone else feels it's <whatever>

Holycannoli · July 2022

Let's put it this way: If the intent is to anger as many players as possible they're doing a great job. LA+HA nerf angers some, Oakensoul nerf angers some, DoT nerfs anger some, class nerfs anger whoever wasn't already angered. Everyone is angered.

Ratzkifal · July 2022

Yes

Looking exclusively at PvE, yes I am "excited".
Minor Berserk means I won't have to slot Camouflaged Hunter still.
Minor Force means I won't have to wear Tzogvin's/slot Channelled Acceleration.
Minor Courage means healers can use Olorime and Spell Power Cure again without needing to worry about their DDs wearing Oakensoul.

What I am bummed out about is that without Major Heroism the set lacks appeal in PvP specifically. All the other nerfs are justified but Major Heroism was only a problem because you also had all those other buffs to make your ults hit harder too. I would argue that it's at least worth a shot to give it back Major Heroism so we can at least test if that would be broken still or if it wouldn't. The way it's right now it's overnerfed and I might as well go back to 2bar builds that aren't as fun as Oakensoul was.

Tan9oSuccka · July 2022

This was just a poorly planned mythic.

Now, the real question becomes is it worth having only one bar for minor buffs?

Probably not, but we’ll see. Probably will go on the massive pile of dead sets and unused mythics.

Riptide · July 2022

Yes

Bokila wrote: »

The people that voted "yes" did not purchase the expansion 🤣

Sure I did, as did my lady. And we both use it. I think it is too strong, and that the tuned version still looks entirely viable.

I think the timing is terrible, particularly given that the community was telling them it was cracked months before. Videos all over the place showing it, saying it as far back as April.

Terrible timing as in whoever is ultimately making these poor decisions either needs some oversight or a consultant gig with the company rather than that one, and bring in someone fresh.

BXR_Lonestar · July 2022

No

Ring won't be worth using now IMO unless you are a solo player. It's not going to be the kind of magic bullet to easily increase DPS to a competitive level in PVE. The reason it granted so many buffs was because you were losing out on a huge amount of utility/dps potential, and buff potential by losing your backbar, and thus, it actually was (roughly) balanced in terms of what you were giving up vs. what you gained.

Having experienced the ring in PVP (fighting against it), something definitely needed to be done, but this is a classic example of why they just need to go back to the drawing board and re-think how they manage/balance PVP.

If you make something fun in PVE, the likelihood is it will probably be unbalanced in PVP.

If you make something balanced in PVP, it likely loses its value in PVE.

Aces-High-82 · July 2022

No

I tested it in pve and on several pvp builds where it was clearly overperforming on some builds (perma corrosive, heal/resurrect ult, simplifying ganking a tad too much). In its current form it raises the floor by a good margin for one bar pve builds but can't outpace a two bar setups. Catered to the casual player I'd swapped in major slayer/aegis for berserk/protection and turned heroism into minor. This way it would be mediocre for pvp at best while maintaining its revalence in pve. I have a disability in my right hand myself so I am forced to use a mapable controller with backbuttons... Every button press I have to do less is very welcomed for me but I absolutely understand that for high performance you have to utilize the games combat system in all its aspects and that includes barswapping. I'm very upset with the pts changes and although I saw a inevitable nerf incoming I spent so much gold and mats to adjust my chars in hope they didn't nerf it too hard for pve content.

Dragkiris · July 2022

The ring was simply OP in pvp and pve. It NEVER should have been released as it was.

The PvE players crying about the nerf are simply bad players. nothing more, nothing less.

The real issue with this patch is how the devs have butchered every class except NB and Cro.... its almost like the devs dont understand the game their designing.

Holycannoli · July 2022

Dragkiris wrote: »

The ring was simply OP in pvp and pve. It NEVER should have been released as it was.

The PvE players crying about the nerf are simply bad players. nothing more, nothing less.

The real issue with this patch is how the devs have butchered every class except NB and Cro.... its almost like the devs dont understand the game their designing.

Cro is completely butchered?

And no the people that are crying are not "simply bad players". This whole patch on PTS is gutting combat and it's going to cause a backlash and exodus and that's why they're crying.

Riptide · July 2022

Yes

Actually by looking at it, minor buffs from the ring will stack with majors from trials. Still decent solo, insofar as it will be be viable but not optimal solo. The same for trials with lots of major buffs to overlap, and perhaps the most middling in 4 player content where less majors thrown about.

Its a middling to decent solution with atrocious timing to a cracked item, at least on pts.

The original idea is still sound though, that is the one thing about it to praise.

Whoever it was at the table who thought it was a good idea to accomplish what they were trying to do with throwing every existing buff in the game rather than create a new one or approach created a heck of a mess out of a good idea, and whoever made the decision to “gather more data” despite heaps of it, and launch it that way…

Well.

Dragkiris · July 2022

Holycannoli wrote: »

Dragkiris wrote: »

The ring was simply OP in pvp and pve. It NEVER should have been released as it was.

The PvE players crying about the nerf are simply bad players. nothing more, nothing less.

The real issue with this patch is how the devs have butchered every class except NB and Cro.... its almost like the devs dont understand the game their designing.

Cro is completely butchered?

And no the people that are crying are not "simply bad players". This whole patch on PTS is gutting combat and it's going to cause a backlash and exodus and that's why they're crying.

I was speaking specifically about the Jokensoul nerf.

The larger combat changes are a joke altogether and show the devs dont understand the game. But the 1 thing that is justified in the update is the Jokensoul nerf

ApoAlaia · July 2022

No

I'm not particularly satisfied however the disappointment this has caused has slowly drowned in the sea of befuddlement, frustration and despair the rest of the upcoming changes have conjured.

SpacemanSpiff1 · July 2022

glad i never built around it. every uber-mythic gets knee-capped once expansions are sold.

xilfxlegion · July 2022

No

for the people that say it is op --- it is a mythic - it should be overpowered.

sitting for hours and hours for over a week waiting to pop a strong box in murkmire was absolutely maddening. so now all of the people that suffered through that can go pound sand.

you introduce mythic items that are supposed to be just that - mythic.

then you kill everything about it that made it worth getting.

i do not pvp -- so i cannot speak for that side of it. but why keep introducing things youre only going to take away ?

there will always be a complaint about something being overpowered in pvp. always. nerf this and they will move right along to complaining about the next thing.

they say they cant balance between pvp and pve but if that is the case just make it so it cant be used in pvp instead of making the entire player base suffer. i'll get hate for this from pvp'ers - and while i understand that you are also part of the player base - youre a much smaller part of it and while it is not necessarily your fault, we do have to suffer because you complained about it.

stop nerfing them or stop introducing them and wasting our time

radiostar · July 2022

No

Well, doesn't sound as bad as "Target Is Immune" every time you try to use a skill in PvE

XarOzz · July 2022

No

So do I get a refund for the Chapter since this was obviously a bait and switch to get people to buy a lack luster chapter? I waited a week to buy this time but have learned my lesson. Never trust Zenimax to not be shady.

PDarkBHood · July 2022

No

Do not change the Oakensoul ring. It is fine they way it is for PVE. The vast majority of players (currently 70%) do not want this ring nerfed. GOT IT.