Don't forget the jabs animation ''update'' no single soul ever asked for.

LeBrenn wrote: »

Don't forget the jabs animation ''update'' no single soul ever asked for.

Delt called the skill a wet noodle xD , i still need to check rapid strikes

Templar and necro seem to have lost the least dps. "Only" 10% while some, like warden is down 25%. Go on pts and actually test it before making RIP threads. Templars are doing good.

Xuhora wrote: »

on the other hand, the burning light passive beeing able to proc from all Abilities finally opens up the templar to other spammables rather than just sweeps.
sure dmg has been reduced, but this is across the board in this patchnotes, and wardens have gotten it worse.

even the jabs animation and casttime from 1 second to .8 seconds is good news for me, makes it easier to weave.
solar flair benefiting from the DoT duration increase makes the empower from this ability viable, maybe paired with the ridiculous 60 second duration of channeled acceleration this opens up a fairly smooth rotation.

needs to be tested, but honestly, under all this pile of "questionable changes"( to word it gently) i think the templar changes are a step in the right direction.

Burning Light can proc off anything but got nerfed by about 67% in all because it can’t proc more than every 2 seconds now instead of about every second (plus the 33% nerf on the tooltip). It’s one of the skills that has suffered the most this patch pure dps-wise, and that’s saying something. They should have made it proc off anything and reduced the damage by 33% without dragging out the stacks over 2 seconds. Or if that would be too much for the server to handle, as so many of these changes to DoTs and HoTs seem to be aimed at addressing, then once per 2 seconds with a small buff so total dps is reduced by about 40%. I think that still would have been too much, but it would have been a better place to start. Both nerfs together are far too much, which was evident from the patch notes and very apparent in testing.

Jabs got nerfed with a completely transparent excuse that suggests the devs don’t know how to weave it on live, to the point where Flurry now outparses it, and yet Jabs now does even more of a plurality of a stamplar parse than it does on live (24.6% to 18% for me on a 100k parse). That just goes to show how much else got thrown under the bus even harder. Stamplars are more of a one-trick pony now, and that trick got a sizable nerf of its own.

Don’t forget Deadly has received an indirect nerf as well - without a buff, it’s just plain Dead for pushing endgame dps. We’ll run Kinras like everyone else. We may even use a generic weapon spammable.

All things considered we’ve lost about 25% effective damage — plus all of our remaining class identity — over the past two patches, very close to Wardens. (120k on U33 for me down to 100k on U35 - which translates to about 90k on live right now due to the updated resistance debuffs and added Major Slayer on the PTS.)

Unfortunately, none of this says right direction to me.

EnerG wrote: »

Classed get nerfed and buffed in time, play whats enjoyable, nobody needs a 100k+ parse, content can be cleared with any dps. If the parse is whats enjoyable to you then play an alt, but if itd Templar thats enjoyable then play it anyway.

seriously... just stop.

good luck clearning vRGhm or getting Godslayer (or GH) with a bunch of players that cant hit 100k on the dummy...

francesinhalover wrote: »

LeBrenn wrote: »

Don't forget the jabs animation ''update'' no single soul ever asked for.

Delt called the skill a wet noodle xD , i still need to check rapid strikes

Don't take seriously what Delt is saying. The next day he is already likening it.

Dragkiris wrote: »

EnerG wrote: »

Classed get nerfed and buffed in time, play whats enjoyable, nobody needs a 100k+ parse, content can be cleared with any dps. If the parse is whats enjoyable to you then play an alt, but if itd Templar thats enjoyable then play it anyway.

seriously... just stop.

good luck clearning vRGhm or getting Godslayer (or GH) with a bunch of players that cant hit 100k on the dummy...

I'm quite sure templars will be able to hit 100k. Templars were affected the least by these changes imo.
Also Templar is the favorite class of Rich Lambert, as long as he is the leads the templars will be OK.

Not saying I like the changes but whining about templars is clearly an overreaction.

Burning light gutted... 33% damage decrease. Jabs only hits 3 times now, the initial hit was taken down 21%, snare is only .5 seconds, reduced healing by 33%. Purifying light healing reduced in frequency and down 12%. Solar barrage gutted... 24% nerf on what was already an incredibly weak dot (with longer duration, it's also far weaker than even that). Same with sun fire. A dot too weak to use even on current live, nerfed by 25% per tick. Damage of ritual of retribution nerfed 52%.

We have no dots even worth a skeever's behind to begin with. Now our spammable is gutted. Empower for worthless light attacks gutted. Healing gutted. We have no playstyle that works now as dds. The only thing we had before to compete was jabs, burning light, and empower.... now what? No alternatives. Templar has been butchered and buried with maximum prejudice by Zos...

Let us not forget that people testing right now on pts are largely doing so on the now buffed dummy... it has minor and major courage now, 6k pen, and major slayer. The true damage is so much worse than what that dummy will tell you.

Templar is not "fine".

I JUST made a templar last month to have at least one character in the AD faction. It's meh at best...might just turn it into a healer and be done with it..it's a disappointing class to be sure.

Maximilian wrote: »

it's an MMO Thing...enjoy

Easy to say until something affects you personally one too many times.

I hope they keep it this way, it was time, jabbers can be really annoying sometimes. And I even made a new Templar not long ago.

Daggerfell0929 wrote: »

Templar is already hurting in mid-high-end groups especially as a DPS. They don't bring utility like necro or DK, they don't bring damage like warden or Stam sorc.

Now in the patch notes burning light proc has gotten hammered in addition to light attacks and dots nerf. NEFASQS had a higher parse using rapid strikes at 107.5k compared to jabs at 106k.

Templar needs something to offer the group in terms of being a dps or tank.

They don't even have a place as a healer that much anymore either, since there's other healing classes that bring more in terms of buffs, etc.

There hasn't been a place in mid- to high-end content for a very long time, and unless you're doing extremely high DPS on your templar, you play another class that can actually "contribute".

A few weeks ago I got Godslayer on my Templar. It was one of my happiest ESO moments. And I’m glad I was able to do it on my favorite class, despite their status as “underperforming” in trials.

But now, Templar has gone from a bit meh in top-end single-target DPS to absolutely unplayable. I’m frustrated that my favorite class has been destroyed from every angle. It lacks damage. It lacks class identity. And the new animation is bewilderingly bad, like it is actually stunning that anyone could get every aspect of the animation so wrong.

I canceled ESO+ and will not even consider renewing until Templars are restored.

Youyouz06 wrote: »

Hi if anyone is new here *waves as he enters*

Just to tell you that it's been perhaps the 5th time that Templar has been benched.

When the game began no one wanted Templars, oh they did, but only for healing.

Get your support sets ready and hope that your team will accept you as a 'buff bot'.

Also I saw this:

good luck clearning vRGhm or getting Godslayer (or GH) with a bunch of players that cant hit 100k on the dummy...

Well, it just means you'll have to do things like at the launch of this trial a few years back. I assume the person is talking about last boss in Hardmode which is essentially a 'Time Attack' or wipe. We used to have to wear a debuff set downstairs and it worked and we were'nt hitting 100K DPS back then

Higher dps often can make it easier to deal with mechanics. Lower dps can also mean that a lot of people have to relearn several fights with a higher emphasis on mechanics, while also having to deal with new rotations.
Not my idea of making end game more accessible.