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[For PVE Players] Are you satisfied/excited with changes to the Oakensoul Ring?
Gray_howling_parrot
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For those who don't know, the following changes are coming:
The ring will now grant MINOR versions of Courage, Berserk, Force, Protection & Heroism buffs rather than MAJOR. It is ALSO adding MINOR Mending.
Major Courage = increases weapon & spell damage by 430 (MINOR does this by 215)
Major Berserk = increases damage done by 10% (MINOR does this by 5%)
Major Force = increases critical damage done by 20% (MINOR does this by 10%)
Major Protection = reduces damage taken by 10% (MINOR does this by 5%)
Major Heroism = gain 3 ultimate every 1.5 seconds (MINOR grants 1 ultimate every 1.5 seconds)
Minor Mending = increases healing done by 8%
I've absolutely loved using this ring in PvE. It's been fun to spice it up but I can absolutely see how this ring would cause nightmares in PvP - I wish they could find a way to balance PvE and PvP separately, but alas they have not.
The build that I have been using currently with Oakensoul in PvE and have been loving is:
- 1 piece Slimecraw
- 5 piece Pillar of Nirn (used Order's Wrath until this was farmed out)
- 5 piece Tzogvin (this will change to probably Relequen/Kinras in the upcoming patch based on the changes)
- Oakensoul ring
**If you have any ideas for cool builds (I'm on stamblade) I'd love to hear those as well! Cheers
The ring will now grant MINOR versions of Courage, Berserk, Force, Protection & Heroism buffs rather than MAJOR. It is ALSO adding MINOR Mending.
Major Courage = increases weapon & spell damage by 430 (MINOR does this by 215)
Major Berserk = increases damage done by 10% (MINOR does this by 5%)
Major Force = increases critical damage done by 20% (MINOR does this by 10%)
Major Protection = reduces damage taken by 10% (MINOR does this by 5%)
Major Heroism = gain 3 ultimate every 1.5 seconds (MINOR grants 1 ultimate every 1.5 seconds)
Minor Mending = increases healing done by 8%
I've absolutely loved using this ring in PvE. It's been fun to spice it up but I can absolutely see how this ring would cause nightmares in PvP - I wish they could find a way to balance PvE and PvP separately, but alas they have not.
The build that I have been using currently with Oakensoul in PvE and have been loving is:
- 1 piece Slimecraw
- 5 piece Pillar of Nirn (used Order's Wrath until this was farmed out)
- 5 piece Tzogvin (this will change to probably Relequen/Kinras in the upcoming patch based on the changes)
- Oakensoul ring
**If you have any ideas for cool builds (I'm on stamblade) I'd love to hear those as well! Cheers
ESO YouTube Content Creator & Templar Tank/Healer Main
[For PVE Players] Are you satisfied/excited with changes to the Oakensoul Ring? 259 votes
Yes
16%
43 votes
No
71%
185 votes
I just want to see the outcome of the poll
11%
31 votes
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SiAScORCH✭✭✭✭NoNo, because ZOS has no ability to manage balance between PvE and PvP. It was perfectly fine for PvE players, however PvP it was broken.
All they had to do was make it so while battle spirit is active, those buffs are minor instead of major. It would of balanced perfectly fine, but they couldn't even do that.52 -
FluffWit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesDunno about most of them- which should have stayed and which should have been nerfed, but major heroism had to go, it was farcical.
It hasn't been a nightmare in pvp, it's just a little op much like it is in pve.Edited by FluffWit on July 11, 2022 7:35PM3 -
Hawkeye✭✭✭✭NoThe thing that bothers me is. No matter what pve gets, if it goes into pvp they will huff and puff and shout until they get what they want. The right decision would have been to just not allow it into pvp. Instead they do a [snip] "fix" that hurts those of us who avoid pvp like the plague. It's wrong. It always seems like the vocal minority seem to get what they want.
There are people out there that were finally able to enjoy the game with this new ring and it's effects. Now, they dumb it down and take that away because people were getting whooped in pvp.
What about the builds that are unkillable in pvp? Why not nerf those or the one shot stealth/magic builds? Those can stay? This is why pvp and pve will never mix in online games. You can not balance around them. Pvp has always been a thorn in the sides of Pve games, and this is exactly why. You can't have nice stuff.
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 12, 2022 12:51PMWhat is the definition of insanity? Ask ZOS.39 -
Riptide✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesThe thing was OP everywhere, not just PVP. I mean I am sure a forum lawyer or two will deny it but come on now.
My wife and I both farmed it, so it is what it is - and no doubt people loved it.
But watch the very same folks that have been praising LA tuning gnash their teeth on this, a far bigger elephant in the room.
I’m glad it didn’t draw on for months and months, but I wish they would stop overdoing it on expansion launches, creating heartburn and then marveling that the community becomes agitated.Esse quam videri.10 -
Freelancer_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoIt will still likely function and in some situations it might actually be better but, it's an annoyance to be dancing around stats.
For example, Spell Power Cure is a common set that gives Major Courage. If you were using Oaken Soul you wouldn't gain from that because you already have Major Courage from the Ring.
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Gray_howling_parrot✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoI personally agree w/ @SiAScORCH . 99.9% of the complaints that came with this ring came from the PvP crowd, which was warranted.
I don't believe this was overpowered at all in PvE personally. Pretty much everyone I know was still parsing higher with 2 bars rather than 1, but this ring really brought up the floor quite a bit.ESO YouTube Content Creator & Templar Tank/Healer Main17 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesIt will still be fine for me - much more than I've ever had only able to use one bar since I started playing.______________________________________________________
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TheGreatBlackBear✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoIt's a dead item in PVE now. Minor buffs are not worth it. However it's it's going to be required slotting in PVP if this sets goes live:
"When you apply a Major Debuff to an enemy, remove a Major Buff with a duration from the target. When you apply a Minor Debuff to an enemy, remove a Minor Buff with a duration from the target. These effects can both occur once every 2 seconds."
The devs have a sense of humour.10 -
SiAScORCH✭✭✭✭NoI personally agree w/ @SiAScORCH . 99.9% of the complaints that came with this ring came from the PvP crowd, which was warranted.
I don't believe this was overpowered at all in PvE personally. Pretty much everyone I know was still parsing higher with 2 bars rather than 1, but this ring really brought up the floor quite a bit.
Exactly, if anything it did exactly what ZOS wanted, it made the gap a lot closer for new players with vet players. It took away the need to consume potions, which many of the lower end players can't afford. It's just sad because if they'd hire somebody that can actually balance without either nerfing to the ground or making OP, the game would actually be great.
I came back from quitting 3 years ago, one of the reasons I stopped playing was because it was like one patch they nerfed magic and buffed stam, then the next they nerfed stam and buffed magic, there was never any balance.3 -
Riptide✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesI’m also just going to add - you can already see by this thread that releasing an overtuned item or items and then tuning it back down doesn’t just create cynicism and mistrust of the devs.
It creates an environment where one group of players comes to despise and blame another, who had nothing to do with making the mistake in the first place.
This is same sort of situation is playing out re: LA etc.
So anyway, this is why you listen to feedback from PTS. Folks been saying it was cracked since well before launch, now a bunch of people going to hate on pvpers. Heck of a cycle, you know?Esse quam videri.7 -
xaraan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesIt's too strong as is. I think the Major Heroism, Courage and Beserk were a big part of the problem and the ring still works as a decent solo item without them. Trying out the minor versions and seeing if it's still overtuned is probably a good first step.
Not sure how useful a poll is though, some folks like being OP or broken, so you'll always have people mad their build is getting balanced.
Edit: I think if they were going to leave any buff Major though, it would be to leave Major Protection. I think when you are solo in PvE that's can be a big help. And even in higher tier pve content or pvp, having that major protection makes up for some of the over tuned damage in the game. I'd even be willing to say give them both major and minor protection with the ring if we are knocking every other buff down to minor.Edited by xaraan on July 11, 2022 9:21PM-- @xaraan --
nightblade: Xaraan • templar: Xaraan-dar • dragon-knight: Xaraanosaurus • necromancer: Xaraan-qa • warden: Xaraanodon • sorcerer: Xaraan-ra
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LeBrenn✭✭✭✭NoCongratulations, ZOS.
Not only for making changes that benefit no one (and that lowers no gap at all), but also for butchering the few things you do right.
Signed by an average player with less and less desire to improve and ''lower the gap'' (why bother?).14 -
MidniteOwl1913✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoWith oakensoul (I'm one of the persons with a disability that this was allegedly aimed at) it has enabled me to double my DPS. I can know do things that I thought impossible for me. It has been glorious! For them to take that away because of how it affects a tiny part of the game is cruel. Really just plain cruel. I guess I'll have to leave the trial guild I just joined, that part of the game will be over for me.
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Jpk0012✭✭✭✭NoI knew it would be nerfed into uselessness, but farmed it anyways. It was good while it lasted.4
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✭✭✭✭✭NoTbh, If Force & Heroism buff were a problem for PvP - then they could have just removed those 2 and keep all others buffs as Major ones.1 -
MidniteOwl1913✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoI knew it would be nerfed into uselessness, but farmed it anyways. It was good while it lasted.
I know this is what usually happens, but I thought this would be a special case because it's not just any mythic. I guess I had faith that the folks at ZOS understood how much of a difference it made for some players, a big difference, and now it seems they just don't care. It feels like a betrayal.
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Ragged_Claw✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoThere was enough data from the PTS cycles to see how this ring was performing, plenty of people said it would be OP in PvP, and iirc it was nerfed there once already. They went ahead and released it anyway (presumably to sell the chapter) and my time has been wasted yet again farming an item for days on end only for it to be rendered pretty much useless. Sadly, my partner who has to use a controller due to a disabillity and who struggles with bar-swapping and weaving has been enjoying the game the most he ever has in the last couple of weeks, and he's truly disappointed with the nerf, even though I tried to warn him it would happen. They have GOT to start balancing PvP and PvE separately, I'm sick of my classes, skills, sets and builds being gutted over and over again because someone got killed by something in PvP.PC EU & NA17 -
Jpk0012✭✭✭✭NoMidniteOwl1913 wrote: »I knew it would be nerfed into uselessness, but farmed it anyways. It was good while it lasted.
I know this is what usually happens, but I thought this would be a special case because it's not just any mythic. I guess I had faith that the folks at ZOS understood how much of a difference it made for some players, a big difference, and now it seems they just don't care. It feels like a betrayal.
I had the exact same DPS using this as I did swapping bars. It did exactly what the devs claimed they wanted. Lessen the APM, so more people could close the gap.3 -
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✭I just want to see the outcome of the pollWouldn't this be a better fit in the PTS page as that is the only place you can find the changes to the PTS?0 -
SkadiMZ✭✭✭MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »With oakensoul (I'm one of the persons with a disability that this was allegedly aimed at) it has enabled me to double my DPS. I can know do things that I thought impossible for me. It has been glorious! For them to take that away because of how it affects a tiny part of the game is cruel. Really just plain cruel. I guess I'll have to leave the trial guild I just joined, that part of the game will be over for me.
With the way they changed this, in a trial setting, you'll be better off. Trials guilds run team comps already providing the major buffs that turned to minor buffs. I'd assume, and I could be wrong, that you weren't slotting skills that provided most of the minor buffs that oakensoul will now give you. You should honestly end up better off in a trial.2 -
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✭✭NoMidniteOwl1913 wrote: »With oakensoul (I'm one of the persons with a disability that this was allegedly aimed at) it has enabled me to double my DPS. I can know do things that I thought impossible for me. It has been glorious! For them to take that away because of how it affects a tiny part of the game is cruel. Really just plain cruel. I guess I'll have to leave the trial guild I just joined, that part of the game will be over for me.
With the way they changed this, in a trial setting, you'll be better off. Trials guilds run team comps already providing the major buffs that turned to minor buffs. I'd assume, and I could be wrong, that you weren't slotting skills that provided most of the minor buffs that oakensoul will now give you. You should honestly end up better off in a trial.
I went thru my build with an eye to maximize damage, knowing that the ring would provide all the buffs I needed. And it does. The extra ultimates are a big help to me as well. And it's not just trials of course, it's dungeons and basically any content where extra DPS helps things go better and faster. I guess I better get on the maelstrom arena right quick while I still can finish it. I wasn't kidding when I said right now it's a completely different game for me.
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✭✭✭NoZoS does have a way to balance PVE and PVP separately, though. It's called Battle Spirit, which causes buffs and debuffs to skills or abilities, item sets, and CP when you go into anywhere with PVP. They just refuse to use it to balance things separately, like this ring which absolutely needed it.
Courage is a good change, though only because Major Courage is a common party buff. It's good for dungeons and trials. Every other nerf (aside from Herosim, that didn't need to be on the ring in the first place IMO, but it did NOT hurt PVE) is terrible. I tested the ring in the PTS; it feels bad to use now. I'd rather just use Sea Serpent's Coil. I feel terrible for everyone that actually needed the ring for disability reasons, including a friend of mine that is currently pretty devastated with the change. He's not going to stop using the ring, since it still helps him, but he says the change only makes it so trials are no longer really an option for him to run, at least on vet. Which sucks; this last patch was the first time he was able to run vet trials due to his disability, and it was thanks to the ring.7 -
MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭Oakensoul changes are actually better for PVE players that do group play. Now you will get major and minor force, major and minor courage, depending upon group makeup you can get major and minor heroism. This change is for the better for PVE group content and since ESO is all about group play why wouldn't you want this change. I know the solo players are upset about this and yeah it will impact you a bit but overall you still are getting a buff to help your character out which is better than no buff.
In fact, these minor buffs are more than what I would have given the ring because the following are provided and are what most PVP/PVE players get on their backbar...anything beyond these buff are just bonuses that make the ring better than having a second bar.
Major Resolve, Major Sorcery/Brutality, and Major Prophecy / Savagery.2 -
haelgaan✭✭✭✭✭Noyet another example of PVP ruining it for PVE. Find some other way to bollocks it up for PVP, leave the stats alone for PVE7
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Laexas✭✭NoThe idea is to fix the item in PVP and use in PVE but they decided to throw in the bin6
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✭✭✭Its as if Slayer and Aegis buffs do not exist, and creating something new just like them is inconceivable.
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Nightwiish✭✭✭NoThey MUST remove the one bar restriction if this is the case. Who the hell will use this ring if its only 1 bar? What are we gonna do? Use 4 of the 5 slots for major buffs and have 1 skill to play around? I wonder who came up with this idea, [snip]
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 12, 2022 12:54PM@loki220
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