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I figured out how to balance Oakensoul without ruining it
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DizzyMac✭✭✭-while wearing this ring you cannot bar swap and your critical resistance is reduced by 1000.
Problem solved. PvPers have a significant downside while running it. PvEers aren't effected whatsoever.
Everyones happy. 👨👩👧👧
restricted to 1 bar - losing 5 skills and an Alt isnt enough of a downside for you?1 -
deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Nikon wrote: »Just leave the ring the way it is and have it not work at all in pvp.
Make it a pve only item. That’s what it was intended for anyways. To help people with various issues compete a little more in dungeons, arenas and maybe trials.
Is that what it was intended for? You know this for sure? I see it raising the bar considerably for people that have been struggling with rotations for years, closing the gap a bit which is also a good thing!
I dont even have it yet but hope they dont change it. I also cant stand things working differently in pvp vs pve! When i equip gear or use abilities i expect them to work as intended everywhere, not have to read the manual everytime i change zones to see what might still work or not there!Edited by deleted221205-002626 on July 6, 2022 12:11PM1 -
BXR_Lonestar✭✭✭✭✭
✭All they need to do to balance the Oakensoul ring is to remove its defensive buffs. The ring provides both offensive AND defensive buffs, making it impossible for Zos to ever create any kind of mythic/set that can serve as a counter to this ring. Most people in PVE will use this ring for its OFFENSIVE properties rather than its defensive properties. So remove the defensive buffs. Then make a mythic that is centered around stacking defensive buffs so that someone using the Oakensoul ring against someone using the theoretical defensive mythic item would do relatively little damage. Problem solved!0 -
Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »What does the ring give in pvp that cannot be obtained in other ways? Nothing.
For that you lose 5 skills, a weapon line and an ult. Not worth complaining about in my book.
The "elite" PvPers beg to differ. They don't like how those of us with "no skill" that never got gud can compete in some small way now.
For a while the PvP forum was quite toxic about it. The discussions have become civil but wow some of these "elite" PvPers can't handle an item that's helping to level the playing field.
The real issue is the skills, like Corrosive Armor.1 -
ghost_bg_ESO✭✭✭✭with u35 coming monday on pts oakensoul will be left behind with loner ability timers.0
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭-while wearing this ring you cannot bar swap and your critical resistance is reduced by 1000.
Problem solved. PvPers have a significant downside while running it. PvEers aren't effected whatsoever.
Everyones happy. 👨👩👧👧
restricted to 1 bar - losing 5 skills and an Alt isnt enough of a downside for you?
Because none of that is actually a downside. I lose five skills that I had to cast to get the buffs the ring is giving me, which means I gain sustain. I get buffs I never had before, at all times. And losing one alt is hardly a problem. More often than not most people only use 1 alt, and the second is really, really situational depending on the build.2 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »What does the ring give in pvp that cannot be obtained in other ways? Nothing.
For that you lose 5 skills, a weapon line and an ult. Not worth complaining about in my book.
The "elite" PvPers beg to differ. They don't like how those of us with "no skill" that never got gud can compete in some small way now.
For a while the PvP forum was quite toxic about it. The discussions have become civil but wow some of these "elite" PvPers can't handle an item that's helping to level the playing field.
The real issue is the skills, like Corrosive Armor.
& Corrosive Armor not that big of a deal if you play cp pvp in a group, even outside of a group it's not that bad.
Yes it hurts if you allow yourself to be locked down, or like to face tank a dk in melee range.0 -
xDeusEJRx✭✭✭✭✭
✭biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »What does the ring give in pvp that cannot be obtained in other ways? Nothing.
For that you lose 5 skills, a weapon line and an ult. Not worth complaining about in my book.
But most of those 5 skills are given back to you is it not? What on your back bar do you feasibly lose that oakensoul doesn't give other than a burst heal? Race against time? You lose out on speed sure but you get major force. Armor buff? Oakensoul gives it. Major sorcery/Major brutality? Oakensoul gives it. Temporal guard ultimate? Oakensoul gives major protection instead of minor that temporal guard gives.
Half of your back bar is covered by oakensoul. It's hardly a tradeoff lol. Plus you get extra buffs you wouldn't have on your back bar anyways like most classes don't have major heroism or easy access to major berserk hell none even have access to Major force
Nightblades only have major berserk through reaper's mark which is only activated through kills. DK don't have heroism or major berserk. Sorcerer only has major berserk through atronach (which requires a synergy proc to activate it). Wardens don't have major berserk, only major heroism through shimmering shield. Necro's dont have either, Templars don't have either.
Oakensoul is stronger than multiple 5 piece sets and the tradeoff is a bunch of skills oakensoul gives you anyway. It barely has a drawback unlike pale order which makes you unable to be healed by others, malacath which guts your crit damage, the glitter boots Snow treaders which removes ability to sprint. Hell even sea serpent isn't as good and sea serpent nerfs your move speed substantially that you have to build around it.
Oakensoul barely requires you to build around it, just replace the 2 abilities you'd be missing on your back bar and done.Edited by xDeusEJRx on July 6, 2022 3:44PMSolo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »with u35 coming monday on pts oakensoul will be left behind with loner ability timers.
Loner ability timers? What is that? I must have missed it.1 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭...Holycannoli wrote: »ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »with u35 coming monday on pts oakensoul will be left behind with loner ability timers.
Loner ability timers? What is that? I must have missed it.
Longer times on the dots and aoes I think. I'm guessing you can load up more dots via two bars.Fear is the Mindkiller0 -
ghost_bg_ESO✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »with u35 coming monday on pts oakensoul will be left behind with loner ability timers.
Loner ability timers? What is that? I must have missed it.
nice spot. yup, i not always care for grammar.0 -
Holycannoli✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »ghost_bg_ESO wrote: »with u35 coming monday on pts oakensoul will be left behind with loner ability timers.
Loner ability timers? What is that? I must have missed it.
nice spot. yup, i not always care for grammar.
Oh LONGER duh lol. I seriously did not catch that until just now.
I don't see how Oakensoul will be left behind with longer ability timers though. It may be a bit less tempting to use but it won't be left behind.0 -
etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭-while wearing this ring you cannot bar swap and your critical resistance is reduced by 1000.
Problem solved. PvPers have a significant downside while running it. PvEers aren't effected whatsoever.
Everyones happy. 👨👩👧👧
Lots of PvP folks don't even bother with crit these days
There are easier ways to tweak Oakensoul - give it a 5 second warm up and a skill use cost penalty. Problem mostly solved. The former stops the ganking problem with it, the latter helps balance the fact people not using it are having to spend resources keeping the buffs up.
Too many toons not enough time0 -
Ariont✭✭✭So tonight I finally got the ring. I've been so looking forward to the ring so that I can once again go back to single bar because my hands no longer work very well and I have been suffering trying to keep up with my guildmates in trials as a DPS. I have been on the verge the past 2 weeks of trying to decide if its time for me to drop out of our groups as my hand hurts pretty bad after a trial.
My stamplar was a single bar build when I first started and I was doing pretty good dps (60-70). Granted I could do upper 70's and 80's running 2 bars but its been dropping mostly because of my hand. Tonight I tested out on the trial dummy and was hitting 65 - 70 pretty consistent. I am so glad to at least have the ability to possibly stay with our group because I can single bar again.
Just wanted to say for all the negatives that people might see, there are some of us that are grateful we have something that may help us overcome some of our limitations due to medical reasons.4 -
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✭With the changes in update 35, due in August, on the duration of HOTs, DOTS and buffs, making it easier to keep with bar swapping many effects active; sacrificing bar swapping will have a relative bigger disadvantage.
Would it then not be better to first see how big those update 35 effects are before taking strong positions on Oakensoul now ?
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/62493As such, coming in Update 35, we are increasing the duration of many of these effects in game, primarily damage over time, buffs, and debuffs. By extending the duration, we hope to reduce the stress of many combat rotations, allowing for you to focus more on the action in front of you rather than the action of juggling buffs and debuffs on your ability bar and making the game far more accessible
Edited by hrothbern on July 8, 2022 8:19PM"I still do not understand why I followed the advice of Captain Rana to bring the villagers of Bleakrock into safety. We should have fought for our village and not have backed down, with our tail between our legs. Now my home village is in shambles, the houses burning, the invaders feasting.I swear every day to Shor that after Molag Bal has been defeated, I will hunt down the invaders and restore peace in Bleakrock and drink my mead with my friends at the market place".PC-EU0 -
FluffWit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭With the changes in update 35, due in August, on the duration of HOTs, DOTS and buffs, making it easier to keep with bar swapping many effects active; sacrificing bar swapping will have a relative bigger disadvantage.
Would it then not be better to first see how big those update 35 effects are before taking strong positions on Oakensoul now ?
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/62493As such, coming in Update 35, we are increasing the duration of many of these effects in game, primarily damage over time, buffs, and debuffs. By extending the duration, we hope to reduce the stress of many combat rotations, allowing for you to focus more on the action in front of you rather than the action of juggling buffs and debuffs on your ability bar and making the game far more accessible
I think that'll make two bar builds stronger in pve but pvp.... it's all about burst man 🤽♀️0 -
Please, please, please do not nerf Oakensoul. I have been using it for both PvE and PvP and it has helped me with both, tremendously.
I'm one of those people who sometimes gets quite anxious and overwhelmed in the heat of the moment, and not having to swap bars to get all my buffs up has been a dream come true. I'm sure that two bar builds can still smoke us Oakensoul users, as they have an extra weapon enchant, plus 5 more skills and an extra Ult at their disposal.
I can understand the problem when facing certain build combinations with the ring, but then again, PvP combat has never been this intense and rewarding. Greater the challenge, greater the glories, I always say.
All in all, I would say that the ring has been a step in the right direction for people like myself who become anxious and overwhelmed, not to mention those people who may have disabilities who this will undoubtedly help tenfold as well.0
