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I figured out how to balance Oakensoul without ruining it
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-while wearing this ring you cannot bar swap and your critical resistance is reduced by 1000.
Problem solved. PvPers have a significant downside while running it. PvEers aren't effected whatsoever.
Everyones happy. 👨👩👧👧
Problem solved. PvPers have a significant downside while running it. PvEers aren't effected whatsoever.
Everyones happy. 👨👩👧👧
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✭"While affected by Battle Spirit the buffs are cut in half and you take 20% increased damage from players."I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.9 -
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✭✭✭✭I'd be happier if ZOS never nerfed or balanced items and skills based on PvP ever again.
Perfect balance can never be achieved, so please stop asking for it! Look at how much of the game is already destroyed because of PvP 'balance'.19 -
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✭✭✭✭I'd be happier if ZOS never nerfed or balanced items and skills based on PvP ever again.
Perfect balance can never be achieved, so please stop asking for it! Look at how much of the game is already destroyed because of PvP 'balance'.
Changes because of pve affect PvP all the time too.
It's not a one way street.14 -
Kisakee✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'd be happier if ZOS never nerfed or balanced items and skills based on PvP ever again.
Perfect balance can never be achieved, so please stop asking for it! Look at how much of the game is already destroyed because of PvP 'balance'.
Changes because of pve affect PvP all the time too.
It's not a one way street.
How many of the PvE changes are player driven?I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.1 -
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✭✭✭I'd be happier if ZOS never nerfed or balanced items and skills based on PvP ever again.
Perfect balance can never be achieved, so please stop asking for it! Look at how much of the game is already destroyed because of PvP 'balance'.
Changes because of pve affect PvP all the time too.
It's not a one way street.
How many of the PvE changes are player driven?
All of them. The npcs do not make posts.Fear is the Mindkiller11 -
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✭NordSwordnBoard wrote: »I'd be happier if ZOS never nerfed or balanced items and skills based on PvP ever again.
Perfect balance can never be achieved, so please stop asking for it! Look at how much of the game is already destroyed because of PvP 'balance'.
Changes because of pve affect PvP all the time too.
It's not a one way street.
How many of the PvE changes are player driven?
All of them. The npcs do not make posts.
So only those who think something is too strong are complaining? By that logic there must be a lot of PvP players being okay with it but not saying anything. And there's not a single post of PvE players claiming that Oakensoul is outperforming a 2-bar-build so it's actually weaker than that.
In the end it's NPC's who can't say anything (and even if they could Oakensoul is dealing less damage than a 2-bar-build), PvE players who enjoy it and tell it in those threads and PvP players being okay with it but not saying anything VS PvP players complaining because they don't want to or can't adapt to a change of playstyle.I'm but a sarcastic beef jerky. Irony and cynicism are my parents. You've been warned.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd be happier if ZOS never nerfed or balanced items and skills based on PvP ever again.
Perfect balance can never be achieved, so please stop asking for it! Look at how much of the game is already destroyed because of PvP 'balance'.
I'm not saying I agree with OP's suggestion, but decreased crit resistance would not affect PVE in anyway whatsoever since only players can crit."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle4 -
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Both are right.I'd be happier if ZOS never nerfed or balanced items and skills based on PvP ever again.
Perfect balance can never be achieved, so please stop asking for it! Look at how much of the game is already destroyed because of PvP 'balance'.
Changes because of pve affect PvP all the time too.
It's not a one way street.No Effort, No Reward?
No Reward, No Effort!0 -
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✭✭As indicated above, if you're playing a nightblade that is purely focused on ganking then it doesn't matter how much crit resistances you have, since you can just disappear.
IMO Oakensoul needs the Thrassian Stranglers treatment. Buffs from Oakensoul are lost if you remove Oakensoul, go invisible, or crouch.
In this way PvE isn't affected at all and gankers using this mythic will have to once again choose their targets wisely instead of being able to seemingly one shot just about anyone.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Fault lies with ZoS for not balancing PvE and PvP separately. It's not the PvPers that are "destroying" the game, it's that outdated concept. ZoS can balance things separately so the game engine / code can handle it, they just do it very rarely. For example Bahsei doesn't work in PvP, and current mist form doesn't work in PvE.I'd be happier if ZOS never nerfed or balanced items and skills based on PvP ever again.
Perfect balance can never be achieved, so please stop asking for it! Look at how much of the game is already destroyed because of PvP 'balance'.
As for highly used mythic items like Oakensoul, they are destined for nerfs. Why? Because these are released in a very powerful state to tempt players to buy chapters, and when it's time for the next chapter, they WILL be nerfed. You need only look at the history of Thrassian Stranglers, Malacath's Ring, Pale Order Ring and the latest victim, Harpooners Kilt.
Nerfing powerful mythic items is a marketing strategy. No point in getting mad at PvP players for it.---No longer active in ESO---
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PvE players also often use invisibility, and crouch is required by many PvE quests. Especially thieves guild, or thieving around. So your proposed change would massively impact PvE.IMO Oakensoul needs the Thrassian Stranglers treatment. Buffs from Oakensoul are lost if you remove Oakensoul, go invisible, or crouch.
(Not directed to the above quote)
I don't get why players are even asking for a nerf here... it seems the 'easy' to kill targets in PvP can now finally fight back, and PvP players do not like losing those 'easy' kills. It has been proven many times, oakensoul performs worse than a good two-bar player. So there is no issue at all.
Just disable mythics in PvP entirely, or we will run into this issue again and again on any new mythic release. Or ZOS should stop thinking about PvP entirely when creating new items, as PvP will always be unbalanced anyways. PvP is currently severely crippling item diversity in the game. (Edit: Or balance PvP and PvE separately.)Edited by Sarannah on July 3, 2022 12:47PM0 -
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✭@SarannahPvE players also often use invisibility, and crouch is required by many PvE quests. Especially thieves guild, or thieving around. So your proposed change would massively impact PvE.
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I don't get why players are even asking for a nerf here... it seems the 'easy' to kill targets in PvP can now finally fight back, and PvP players do not like losing those 'easy' kills. It has been proven many times, oakensoul performs worse than a good two-bar player. So there is no issue at all.
Just disable mythics in PvP entirely, or we will run into this issue again and again on any new mythic release. Or ZOS should stop thinking about PvP entirely when creating new items, as PvP will always be unbalanced anyways. PvP is currently severely crippling item diversity in the game. (Edit: Or balance PvP and PvE separately.)
1. You would simply regain the buffs once you unstealth, they will not dissapear and you ahve to rebuild them like with thrassian stranglers, his proposal was onyl aimed at gankers though, would not change much for PvP either. That would not massively impact pve. the buffs do not impact thieving, crouching in quests usually do not involve killing.
2. It is not the "easy to kill targets" that suddenly became overpowered or very hard to kill. Specific builds started to outperform many others and already good people became stronger. As you are a PvE player I am sure you like 1 hit mechanics . Not sure why you believe PvP players are inferior to Pve as in a PvP player never PvE and vice versa and want easy kills, it became easier to kill now for many. I understand you want to protect something you like, not sure why you choose to bash on other people for that. I am sure many players who play PvP also enjoy this mythic.
3. Some people could say to disable mythics for PvE and only design them for PvP balance.
4. Those tests are only for PvE Damage dealing you know, the ones that say 1 bar do not outperform 2bar.
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So only those who think something is too strong are complaining? By that logic there must be a lot of PvP players being okay with it but not saying anything. And there's not a single post of PvE players claiming that Oakensoul is outperforming a 2-bar-build so it's actually weaker than that.
In the end it's NPC's who can't say anything (and even if they could Oakensoul is dealing less damage than a 2-bar-build), PvE players who enjoy it and tell it in those threads and PvP players being okay with it but not saying anything VS PvP players complaining because they don't want to or can't adapt to a change of playstyle.
There are probably many PvP players who think it is okay.
Many player who PvP are adapting, they use oakensoul
Imagine if you could not adapt in PvE and that every monster one hits you, would you play?
A bit sad you think in terms of PvP vs PvE.Edited by Yakidafi on July 3, 2022 1:24PMMoons and sands shall be your guide and path.
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PvE players also often use invisibility, and crouch is required by many PvE quests. Especially thieves guild, or thieving around. So your proposed change would massively impact PvE.IMO Oakensoul needs the Thrassian Stranglers treatment. Buffs from Oakensoul are lost if you remove Oakensoul, go invisible, or crouch.
(Not directed to the above quote)
I don't get why players are even asking for a nerf here... it seems the 'easy' to kill targets in PvP can now finally fight back, and PvP players do not like losing those 'easy' kills. It has been proven many times, oakensoul performs worse than a good two-bar player. So there is no issue at all.
Just disable mythics in PvP entirely, or we will run into this issue again and again on any new mythic release. Or ZOS should stop thinking about PvP entirely when creating new items, as PvP will always be unbalanced anyways. PvP is currently severely crippling item diversity in the game. (Edit: Or balance PvP and PvE separately.)
I disagree. I use invisibility all the time in PvE land and I've never been in a scenario where the loss of buffs hindered my ability to do Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, or PvE related shenanigans. For instance, I can easily one-shot any NPC in PvE land with the Blade of Woe or Vampire Bite. In relation to other PvE content, the only time someone needs to crouch is in the March of Sacrifices dungeon, and even then all the buffs will return the second you stand up because as I said in my suggestion, the buffs are removed only while invisible or crouching.
None of the Oakensoul buffs improve stealth in any manner so your disagreement based on it affecting PvE stealth gameplay makes no sense, since the second you're revealed all your buffs will return.
The reason I made my suggestion is due to the damage buffs given by the set. Gain Major Berserk (10% damage increase), Major Brutality (20% weapon damage increase), Major Sorcery (20% spell damage increase), and Major Force (increase critical damage by 20%).
Now under normal circumstances, you would need to activate a skill, proc a set, use a potion, activate an ultimate, etc. to get access to these buffs. Now with Oakensoul you have them active 100% of the time. So even if you survive an Oakensoul gank, the ganker can simply reset the gank with one button and still have all their damage buffs active which doesn't allow for much time in terms of counterplay. Sure you can use a detect pot, but then the other buffs the set provides that improve survivability come into play. Logically one would think a high damage build would also be a glass cannon, but not in this case.
In relation to the rest of your comment,the easy to kill targets are still easy to kill and that will never changeThe problem is the lack of counterplay to being hit by so much buffed up damage even when wearing full impenetrable gear. Mythics in PvP are fine by the way. ZOS will ensure that so that they can make money off of the PvP population. With that being said all overpowered mythics end up being nerfed when the next new thing comes out, such is the ZOS way.Edited by Artim_X on July 3, 2022 1:27PM(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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✭✭✭✭✭Good line of thinking, but as has been pointed out, not really affecting gankers.
IMO, they should just consolidate the 3 damage focused Major buffs - Berserk, Courage and Force - into a damage buff that only affects PvE enemies, like Major Slayer (except for overland, too).
No need to juggle conditional stances based on Battle Spirit when buffs like that exist. Makes it clear that this is predominantly a PvE assist mythic without just banning it from PvP.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
Atrael7✭✭✭Just disable mythics in PvP entirely, or we will run into this issue again and again on any new mythic release. Or ZOS should stop thinking about PvP entirely when creating new items, as PvP will always be unbalanced anyways. PvP is currently severely crippling item diversity in the game. (Edit: Or balance PvP and PvE separately.)
Mythics have been the only selling point of chapters when it comes to PvP players since their introduction in Greymoor. ZOS has already said don't expect any new PvP content for the foreseeable future, so item sets are the only thing left to look forward to (of which mythics being arguably the most powerful and impactful). And sorry no, I don't consider Tales of Tribute PvP content, but props to anyone that enjoys that system.
On the other hand, cutting mythics from PvP would be a damn good way of telling that part of your player base that if they haven't already, maybe it's time to move on to something else.Edited by Atrael7 on July 3, 2022 1:35PM0 -
ZOS_IcymodGreetings all,
After removing a few non-constructive posts, we would like everyone to keep posts on the subject at hand, as well as keeping things civil and constructive.
Thank you for your understanding.Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 3, 2022 3:12PM0 -
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PvE players also often use invisibility, and crouch is required by many PvE quests. Especially thieves guild, or thieving around. So your proposed change would massively impact PvE.IMO Oakensoul needs the Thrassian Stranglers treatment. Buffs from Oakensoul are lost if you remove Oakensoul, go invisible, or crouch.
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I don't get why players are even asking for a nerf here... it seems the 'easy' to kill targets in PvP can now finally fight back, and PvP players do not like losing those 'easy' kills. It has been proven many times, oakensoul performs worse than a good two-bar player. So there is no issue at all.
Not necessarily true at all. Buffs are severely different in PVP vs PVE. Buffs like major force, major heroism and major berserk result in way more toxic gameplay as those buffs are rare to find on a PvP build and they make some builds ridiculously overperform or do things they shouldn't be doing. Like ulti gen builds building around major heroism spamming meteor continously ping ponging u into the air continuously or having full penetration against players with Corrosive armor. Behaviors like this don't matter in PVE but for PVP it can completely destroy playstyles or make counterplay non-existentSolo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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✭✭No-CP PvP (RW/BG) should be No-Proc & No-Mythics.
PvE & CP-PvP Proc/Mythic. No more nerfs, buff past nerfs to sets/items.
Everyone has a playstyle choice.Edited by Wolfpaw on July 4, 2022 4:54PM1 -
Heartrage✭✭✭✭✭I don’t think cutting all mythics in pvp is a good idea but I think oakensoul getting an exclusive pvp debuff would be a good thing.0
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✭1. Remove Mythics from PVP
2. Restore Thrassian, Malacath, Pale Order and Kilt back to their pre-nerfed state.
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Lord_Nikon✭✭✭Just leave the ring the way it is and have it not work at all in pvp.
Make it a pve only item. That’s what it was intended for anyways. To help people with various issues compete a little more in dungeons, arenas and maybe trials.
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lunaslide✭✭✭Lord_Nikon wrote: »Just leave the ring the way it is and have it not work at all in pvp.
Make it a pve only item. That’s what it was intended for anyways. To help people with various issues compete a little more in dungeons, arenas and maybe trials.
I specifically want a lower APM option for PvP. I like it, I'm not bad at it, but I have carpal tunnel syndrome. So after 20-30 minutes of intense battle, my wrists ache and my hands start cramping up. I want to stay in Cyrodiil for hours, have great fights and not be in pain.
Please stop with this "Disable it in PvP and everyone will be happy" crap, it's just not true.2 -
DizzyMac✭✭✭in PVP DKs are pretty much unkillable and able to deal massive dmg without the ring -- yet somehow the ring is the root of all problems?
you can build a 2 bar DK, NB or necro and destroy anyone wearing the ring.
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✭The ring's fine and this community is on the verge of ruining another mythic item.
It is strong, yes. But it is NOT overpowered as you say. People die to a more skilled one and blame the ring. Keep in mind the ring does NOT make your character an A.I. controlled character. It doesn't play for you. Also losing half of your ability slots is perfectly fair in exchange of those buffs (most can be cast with class and common skills placed on your backbar).
I'd hate to say this. I really do, but some people deserve it: git gud.🌈 Ride with Pride🌈
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biminirwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭What does the ring give in pvp that cannot be obtained in other ways? Nothing.
For that you lose 5 skills, a weapon line and an ult. Not worth complaining about in my book.3
