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IC Monster Shoulders Extremely Accessible - Too accessible?
Zski
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Started the grind for my Zoal shoulders with a measly 15k TelVar, and I am happy to report that after 3 solid days of journeying into the Imperial City (Sewers and Topside), I have managed to bring my TelVar total to a whopping 216, mostly due to the timely aid of multiple....multiple....multiple DC nightblades and a few roving bands of AD. Which brings me to my point:
Given the startling rate of accrual and the total ease of access, are we sure 20k TelVar is a high enough purchase price? Granted, the shoulders are locked behind a loot box like the Undaunted instead of being directly purchasable, which certainly eats up a lot of time and resources, but I can't help but feel as if we could be doing more to further the user end experience and fun, compelling forward momentum of IC that isn't at all "incredibly frustrating", "absolutely unrewarding", "a complete waste of 5 hours in 30 seconds", or "a total turnoff to almost everyone that doesn't live there already".
Personally I'm very glad that significant content is locked behind a wall that there is a very serious chance a nonzero number of players literally cannot breach no matter their time investiture, and that behind that wall is a loot box system to catch any strays that accidentally attempt to participate in this content or purchase/use these monster sets, and I directly applaud that there is literally no other resource one can use to circumvent this telvar loot box cost, but...I dunno. It still feels too easy.
It feels like we could be doing more.
Thoughts?
Given the startling rate of accrual and the total ease of access, are we sure 20k TelVar is a high enough purchase price? Granted, the shoulders are locked behind a loot box like the Undaunted instead of being directly purchasable, which certainly eats up a lot of time and resources, but I can't help but feel as if we could be doing more to further the user end experience and fun, compelling forward momentum of IC that isn't at all "incredibly frustrating", "absolutely unrewarding", "a complete waste of 5 hours in 30 seconds", or "a total turnoff to almost everyone that doesn't live there already".
Personally I'm very glad that significant content is locked behind a wall that there is a very serious chance a nonzero number of players literally cannot breach no matter their time investiture, and that behind that wall is a loot box system to catch any strays that accidentally attempt to participate in this content or purchase/use these monster sets, and I directly applaud that there is literally no other resource one can use to circumvent this telvar loot box cost, but...I dunno. It still feels too easy.
It feels like we could be doing more.
Thoughts?
Dead account. Y'all deserve each other.
GLHF.
GLHF.
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redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If the drops were curated, I would agree on raising the price. Currently with the items being bound and not curated, I personally think the price is too high, but I'll meet in the middle and say they could keep it as is.2 -
Zski✭✭✭Update: Within minutes of posting and 30m of logging in, 9 deaths by no less than 7 different, individual gankblades and two roving warbands have finally applied a halt to my massive accrual of -15k telvar/hr. I can only assume you have all seen this post on the forums, and have decided to help make this a more measured, enjoyable experience for everyone by dimming the frankly blinding amounts of telvar being built up by everyone everywhere.
It really does my heart some honest good to see the community band together like this.
Godspeed and gods bless, heroes all.Dead account. Y'all deserve each other.
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xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Allow us to buy Telvars with Crowns. Problem solved, everyone wins!PC/NA || CP/Cyro || RIP soft caps1 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭After getting between 1-2k Tel Var, put it in the bank. If you begin your grind with 0 Tel Var, despite not having a decent multiplier amount you'll still be progressing your goal.
Sewers tend to be safer than topside, but you must assume that you are never alone.
You can take a break by entering a new area in the sewers or district and staying in place (purple glow). You will not be safe if you enter a district via the center door, since the passive mode effect wears off. While you have the passive effect on you, you can queue for Cyrodiil and then queue back into the Imperial City. This helps mitigation the stress of carrying your Tel Var back to the bank or having to waste AP for a Sigil of Imperial Retreat (telports you back to base).
Carry invisibility potions with a dash of major expedition (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). If you're not a nightblade, you can have access to on demand invisibility by being a stsge 4 vampire. Vampire have a passive that works on any stage that let's thrm ignore the movement speed penalty of sneaking and a stage 4 passive that lets them become invisible after running for 3 seconds (as long as you have stamina, you can run around an entire district without ever being visible).
Other than that. ZOS should definitely reevaluate the price (4-5k instead of 20k) especially when you consider how much RNG is involved and the fact that players that aren't experienced in PvP will have an easier time farming keys in comparison to the Tel Var grind.
IMO the IC sets aren't that great and you might have a better time farming other more worthwhile sets.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Burn/Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Heal- Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Inferno/Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Rage of the Ursauk jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Crushing Shock/Storm Pulsar, Streak, Flame/Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Fire/Storms, Twilight Tormentor (Twilight Matriarch for solo roleplay variant of build) and Fiery/Thunderous Rage.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Mother Ciannait's (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Max Mag Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), CP restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and CP ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact for regular and NoCP build/Oblivion's Foe for dot build (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable. Max Mag Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Max Mag Enchants). Knight Slayer/Pariah jewelry/Plaguebreak for dot build (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant for regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build. Sharpened for dot build)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant regular and noCP build/absorb magicka enchant and Sharpened for dot build).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Empowered Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that only utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (Infused/shock enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on head and everything else Magicka Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Max Health Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant/Stealth-Draining Poison IX), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1:Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver (Shatter Soul).
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Lover for penetration when playing a sorc or temp.
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Thaumaturge, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvE Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Weapons Expert, Biting Aura, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Necrotech_Master✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i personally would prefer to see them cheaper, as they are not curated, there are tons of things that you buy with tel var that are not curated (any of the other gear boxes to get weapons, why do you think powerful assault ice staves are going for millions right now? A) requires to farm lot of tel var to gamble on the boxes and B ) NON-CURATED experience lol)0 -
CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭After getting between 1-2k Tel Var, put it in the bank. If you begin your grind with 0 Tel Var, despite not having a decent multiplier amount you'll still be progressing your goal.
Sewers tend to be safer than topside, but you must assume that you are never alone.
You can take a break by entering a new area in the sewers or district and staying in place (purple glow). You will not be safe if you enter a district via the center door, since the passive mode effect wears off. While you have the passive effect on you, you can queue for Cyrodiil and then queue back into the Imperial City. This helps mitigation the stress of carrying your Tel Var back to the bank or having to waste AP for a Sigil of Imperial Retreat (telports you back to base).
Carry invisibility potions with a dash of major expedition (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). If you're not a nightblade, you can have access to on demand invisibility by being a stsge 4 vampire. Vampire have a passive that works on any stage that let's thrm ignore the movement speed penalty of sneaking and a stage 4 passive that lets them become invisible after running for 3 seconds (as long as you have stamina, you can run around an entire district without ever being visible).
Other than that. ZOS should definitely reevaluate the price (4-5k instead of 20k) especially when you consider how much RNG is involved and the fact that players that aren't experienced in PvP will have an easier time farming keys in comparison to the Tel Var grind.
IMO the IC sets aren't that great and you might have a better time farming other more worthwhile sets.
If you REALLY want to earn tel var, never bank down to zero. The 3x modifier you get for having 1000 tel var vastly outweighs the 500 tel var you would lose from dying with it. I personally never bank down to 0 because you'll earn it so much faster right off that bat.0 -
Iriidius✭✭✭if you enter IC with 100 Tel Var, as soon as you reach 300 Tel Var your win if you get killed is at least the same as when you would have started with 0. 1000 Tel Var is only worth it if there are few gankers and gankgroups that can kill you and you have a high chance to get your full tel var to bank0
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CameraBeardThePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭if you enter IC with 100 Tel Var, as soon as you reach 300 Tel Var your win if you get killed is at least the same as when you would have started with 0. 1000 Tel Var is only worth it if there are few gankers and gankgroups that can kill you and you have a high chance to get your full tel var to bank
1000 telvar is almost always worth it, even with gankers. Losing 500 is nothing, and if you're at 1000 already you'll gain tel var so much faster than if you start at 100 or 0 that you'll gain another 1000 before you know it.0 -
tsaescishoeshiner✭✭✭✭✭
✭On PCNA, 1 Hakeijo has been worth 30-50k gold over the past few months. Each one costs 5k Tel Var. So a 20k Tel Var shoulder piece costs 120-200k worth of gold. And that's for a random weight.
Even if they made these sets better, that's an incredibly steep cost, that IMO just isn't worth it. If it was curated, that would help.PC-NA
in-game: @tsaescishoeshiner0
