I been done this mistake more than twice, don't do it!
DeltaForce64x
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If you have ESO on Steam then you already know what this is about...just don't do it, its isn't worth to trouble if you have low end connection speed. I AGAIN done this horrible mistake because Im so got used to download my games on Steam, just get the installer from your account managemt page and download it without Steam.
STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
ALL sorts of crap happens on Steam specific to this game!, do NOT I repeat do NOT hit Repair or verify game files there either, STEAM WILL "VALIDATE" NOTHING INSTEAD YOU WILL HAVE TO REDOWNLOAD EVERYTHING FROM ZERO!! Because Steam basically deletes everything in Validate part of the process for some messed up reason.
You will somehow get Steam DLC regardless anyways, I know this because after a few days my non steam copy also got steam dlcs automatically, it is same account but platform is different.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! Use non-Steam version instead! Then backup the entire ESO folder to a external hard drive just to be safe.
STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
ALL sorts of crap happens on Steam specific to this game!, do NOT I repeat do NOT hit Repair or verify game files there either, STEAM WILL "VALIDATE" NOTHING INSTEAD YOU WILL HAVE TO REDOWNLOAD EVERYTHING FROM ZERO!! Because Steam basically deletes everything in Validate part of the process for some messed up reason.
You will somehow get Steam DLC regardless anyways, I know this because after a few days my non steam copy also got steam dlcs automatically, it is same account but platform is different.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! Use non-Steam version instead! Then backup the entire ESO folder to a external hard drive just to be safe.
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✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
Data cap still a thing in some places?
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✭✭I remember data caps, way back when I had to call a number to connect to MCI WorldCom.
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✭✭✭✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
Data cap still a thing in some places?
Yep. I have satellite (only thing available, as for others I've seen around the forum), with monthly cap of 20 GB. And running over is charged at (I think, never done it so not positive) $15 US per GB.______________________________________________________
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✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
Data cap still a thing in some places?
Yep. I have satellite (only thing available, as for others I've seen around the forum), with monthly cap of 20 GB. And running over is charged at (I think, never done it so not positive) $15 US per GB.
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phantasmalD✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, pretty sure Steam only stores a very basic, 2014 era version of the game. And every patching is done through ZoS' own client.0 -
DeltaForce64x✭✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
Data cap still a thing in some places?
Of course, there is plenty people still using 2000ish like network plans thanks to lazy overlords. I have to shut down the modem every single night to avoid speed reduction by crappy ISP next morning/day.
You see, there is countries out there that isn't US or UK. Shocking I know,
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✭✭✭✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »DeltaForce64x wrote: »STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
Data cap still a thing in some places?
Of course, there is plenty people still using 2000ish like network plans thanks to lazy overlords. I have to shut down the modem every single night to avoid speed reduction by crappy ISP next morning/day.
You see, there is countries out there that isn't US or UK. Shocking I know,
Well, I live in the US, so it happens here too.______________________________________________________
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I don't think it's quite that far back, but yes, ZOS patches through the client and doesn't regularly update the base steam install, so the default steam install is quite an old version. As such, repair and verify don't work as they should because steam "verifies" that you don't have that base version and "repairs" by rolling it back. Then you run it and the launcher re-updates everything.phantasmalD wrote: »Yeah, pretty sure Steam only stores a very basic, 2014 era version of the game. And every patching is done through ZoS' own client.
If you're on steam and want to repair, you can do so from within the launcher above the news feed there's a tiny button that says game options and pulls down the menu to repair.
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✭✭✭✭Almost all ISPs in the US have what they call an excessive use policy in their fine print. Larger ones such as centurylink have them, and if you exceed certian data restrictions and tiers then you will be billed. Unlimited data plans exist but all that means is that if you exceed certian data limits you will be throttled.
So yes, data limits DO exist. Even in the US and probably do as well in the UK.
Edited: apologies forum mods. I forgot that one of the more popular ISPs in western US has a forum profanity bypass as it's company name. I have removed it and will refrain on commenting on how appropriate that might be...Edited by wolfie1.0. on June 22, 2022 3:53PM1 -
Malkiv✭✭✭✭✭wolfie1.0. wrote: »Almost all ISPs in the US have what they call an excessive use policy in their fine print. Larger ones such as centurylink have them, and if you exceed certian data restrictions and tiers then you will be billed. Unlimited data plans exist but all that means is that if you exceed certian data limits you will be throttled.
So yes, data limits DO exist. Even in the US and probably do as well in the UK.
Edited: apologies forum mods. I forgot that one of the more popular ISPs in western US has a forum profanity bypass as it's company name. I have removed it and will refrain on commenting on how appropriate that might be...
My ISP, fortunately, does not have soft or hard caps for data - even in the finest of prints. Google Fibre; It’s pretty great.PC-NA | PvP (Gray Host & BGs) | PvE (vTrials & vDGs)0 -
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Well that has to be some pretty high caps as you must assume many people stream 4K for half the day.wolfie1.0. wrote: »Almost all ISPs in the US have what they call an excessive use policy in their fine print. Larger ones such as centurylink have them, and if you exceed certian data restrictions and tiers then you will be billed. Unlimited data plans exist but all that means is that if you exceed certian data limits you will be throttled.
So yes, data limits DO exist. Even in the US and probably do as well in the UK.
Edited: apologies forum mods. I forgot that one of the more popular ISPs in western US has a forum profanity bypass as it's company name. I have removed it and will refrain on commenting on how appropriate that might be...
But yes if you have an 1 GB internet connection and keep it at max all the time you probably get problems.
Backend is not designed for that if many did it.
But yes if you use satellite or mobile internet you have data packages.
Now I think Steam should think about games who do their own patching, I guess its most online games you can buy outside of Steam and if you have micro transactions you prefer customers to buy outside steam as you can keep all the revenue.
Grinding just make you go in circles.
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✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »DeltaForce64x wrote: »STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
Data cap still a thing in some places?
Of course, there is plenty people still using 2000ish like network plans thanks to lazy overlords. I have to shut down the modem every single night to avoid speed reduction by crappy ISP next morning/day.
You see, there is countries out there that isn't US or UK. Shocking I know,
Well, thank god there are more countries than just the UK and the US that have decent ISPs. In The Netherlands any ISP that would try a cap would be out of business really fast.0 -
aurorable✭✭✭I learned that the hard way back when I was new. If you have unlimited internet then it's not so bad, but when you got terrible rural internet with only one provider option it's the worst. I know that pain to well :'( Luckily you can just verify via the launcher.Crazy Cat Lady
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EnerG✭✭✭✭✭Ive played on steam since day 1 (summerset for me) , and I have only had a handful of days i could definitely say was steams error comnecting too the game. Any issues I have is fixed with a reconnect or router restart. For those who HAVE steam issues you can rebuy the game on zos website and redownload the client using steam login and it will xfer over. But spreading blind panic that "steam bad" is doing nobody any good2 -
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Sadly yes. Greedy ISPs
Data cap still a thing in some places?DeltaForce64x wrote: »STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
Atleast it's cheap in my region I think. 220GB per month on Fibre for less than 10$ monthly.
Still I keep a close watch on steam.---No longer active in ESO---
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✭✭Never buy any non-Valve online game from Steam or such if you can get a version not requiring a third party laucher straight from publisher. Steam was convenient for single player games before creeping bloat and massive eruption of low quality games there. For online games it's just an extra point of possible failure.
I understand steamers can buy the steamless base game version of ESO from sale for their ESO account, install, launch and login and have access to all chapters and dlc their ESO account already have unlocked via Steam. (Dunno about details.)Edited by rpa on June 23, 2022 4:33AM0 -
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✭Sorry OP, but I have ESO on Steam since over a year, and it works perfectly. I never ever had the slightest trouble, neither with performances nor with anything else.
It's not the first time that I see threads about troubles with Steam. I really don't understand how experiences can be that much different for the same game via the same application.
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✭✭I've played ESO and Wildstar without Steam. Ive observed Steam users did sometimes have a problem getting into game while others did not after a patch and rarely other times.. Generally Steam works very reliably. My personal dislike to Steam is because of bloat.
Of course it's possible OP problems are not caused of Steam after all and same would happen using the steamless launcher if they went through cost and trouble to try it.Edited by rpa on June 23, 2022 4:55AM0 -
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✭And here I am complaining that my internet is not good enough Make sweetrolls, not nerfs!0 -
Living_Tribunal✭✭✭Those caps though... I've never had issues and I've been on steam with eso for sometime.2
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Sevalaricgirl✭✭✭✭✭Xfinity tried to impose data caps, NY state shut that right down fast. But saying that, I've never had issues with the steam version of the game.1
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DeltaForce64x✭✭✭Ive played on steam since day 1 (summerset for me) , and I have only had a handful of days i could definitely say was steams error comnecting too the game. Any issues I have is fixed with a reconnect or router restart. For those who HAVE steam issues you can rebuy the game on zos website and redownload the client using steam login and it will xfer over. But spreading blind panic that "steam bad" is doing nobody any good
LOL I didn't said anything like that, in fact I do think Valve/Steam saved PC Gaming from likes of Intel, Microsoft and Epic. I do love Valve and Steam as it is my only resource to purchase games where I live.
Problem with MMO games on Steam: Steam always provides older version of data as a download, third party launcher have the most recent data and Steam does not update that in their own servers.
It isn't really complicated matter to understand really.0 -
DeltaForce64x✭✭✭Sorry OP, but I have ESO on Steam since over a year, and it works perfectly. I never ever had the slightest trouble, neither with performances nor with anything else.
It's not the first time that I see threads about troubles with Steam. I really don't understand how experiences can be that much different for the same game via the same application.
It is okay hun, believe me when I write here that experiences can be THAT bad when it comes to online mmorpg games on Steam.
It will probably be same thing when GW2 finally arrives to Steam, you may see alot of people in gw2 forums complain about this too when it happens.0 -
DeltaForce64x✭✭✭DeltaForce64x wrote: »DeltaForce64x wrote: »STEAM WILL DESTROY YOUR INSTALLATION, ALONG SIDE WITH YOUR MONTHLY DATA CAPS
Data cap still a thing in some places?
Of course, there is plenty people still using 2000ish like network plans thanks to lazy overlords. I have to shut down the modem every single night to avoid speed reduction by crappy ISP next morning/day.
You see, there is countries out there that isn't US or UK. Shocking I know,
Well, I live in the US, so it happens here too.
No. A friend of mine have the meaning of hell in her house, 0.89 upload speed, (yes not even 1mb) takes her YEARS to upload a 500MB video to her channel on YouTube. She uses her mobile plan instead 5G to upload faster which takes her additional charges when plan is out.
You HAVE better internet.0
