100% agree the Regeneration stacking is an issue but I think they should change it so that Regeneration as a buff stacks, BUT only the strongest heal of the lot, should tick every second. Once the strongest Regeneration ends the second strongest Regeneration buff that still has duration should take over and so on.

Basically, the Regeneration heal itself shouldn't stack, but a "buff" will so the weaker ones can take over (if they still have duration) when the stronger one ends. Or at least that's my thought on it.

MidniteOwl1913 wrote: »

I'm a healer in dungeons. It would affect a lot of PVE in a negative way if Radiant Regeneration is nerfed. It works in mobile fights. It works over time. It helps me keep track of the player as I see the beams. It is my workhorse heal.

I agree. I'm playing a healer in PvE myself. My suggestion wouldn't change anything for you unless more than two people in your dungeon groups are using Rapid/Radiant Regeneration.

TheGeordieKitten wrote: »

100% agree the Regeneration stacking is an issue but I think they should change it so that Regeneration as a buff stacks, BUT only the strongest heal of the lot, should tick every second. Once the strongest Regeneration ends the second strongest Regeneration buff that still has duration should take over and so on.

Basically, the Regeneration heal itself shouldn't stack, but a "buff" will so the weaker ones can take over (if they still have duration) when the stronger one ends. Or at least that's my thought on it.

Not sure I agree with this. This would definitely affect PvE trials negatively because both healers in trials are using Regeneration and some trials definitely need that healing because certain mechanics force players to spread out and leave the healing circles.
I do like your suggestion of letting someone receive two regeneration "buffs" so that by the time the first heal runs out the second heal might still be going. Ideally this is how I would want it to work with the 3rd instance of Regeneration applied to you, but I am not sure this won't affect performance. That's why I would want to have Regeneration stack up to a maximum of 2 rather than making it act like a named effect.

Any organized raid is much more than just the use of one skill. Among other things you can also expect more or less optimized builds (sets and CP) focused on supporting group play. This is true for both small scale groups as well as 12 man groups.

The simplest way to leveling the battlefield is in my experience, to play non-proc non-cp. Organized raids are still good there, but they loose some of their advantage.

PvE (only) healer here. I've no problem limiting RR so a recipient can have a max of two going at the same time from different healers.

Not qualified at all to talk PvP healing.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Healing is an important part of PvE and self-healing is also absolutely needed for PvP. I do not think Rapid Regeneration needs to get its value nerfed and in small scale situations the skill is absolutely fine.
However,
everyone stacking Rapid Regeneration is probably the most important part of ballgroups, which are unhealthy for performance and unfun to fight even if you yourself are in another ballgroup. Of course there are other healing skills as well, but those need to be placed on the ground so people need to stand in them, which is at least one weakness. Rapid Regeneration is on the target and cannot be removed. Players can be pulled out of ground-based healing, they cannot be pulled out of 5 instances of Rapid Regen and adding any type of effect that negates healing will have unwanted ripple effects for the meta.

If we limit the amount of Rapid Regenerations players can benefit from to 2, then PvE will be completely unaffected as trials typically have only 2 healers, and PvP will still have some benefit to having a group healer, but it will be not nearly as obnoxious anymore to fight a group where everyone has rapid regen slotted.

We've already tried many things to reduce the effectiveness of ballgroups (zerg killer sets, abilities scaling with the amount of nearby enemies, sets dedicated to solo play), but whatever else we've tried, ballgroups were always able to take advantage of it. This won't kill ballgroups, but I don't think we need to do that anyway. Ballgroups just need to be tone down a little. I don't see why this proposal wouldn't work other than maybe some technical reason. At least I cannot think of one.

Thoughts?

Everything Zos has tried to curb ball groups has only worked out for the benefit of ballgroups and to the detriment of other players. IMO, they need to stop focusing on how to HURT ball groups performance and focus in on providing a better counter for ballgroups in general.

Sets like Hrothgar's Chill, Plague Break, and Dark Convergence were all designed to try to "bust" ball groups by increasing an individual player's ability to kill a bigger group, but what we've seen is that ballgroups make use of these sets to cause more problems in PVP (i.e., the frustration people feel with dark convergence spam).

What they need to do here is NOT change how the healing for ballgroups work, but they need to make a better counter for killing people in close spaces, and I really think they are overlooking the importance/utility of siege in this respect. IMO, they should make purpose-built sets that are only built to augment player performance while using siege. For instance, if they made sets that dramatically increased the damage and area of affect for meatbags or coldharbor ballistas, players can suddenly deploy these instruments to greater effect. And its balanced because as soon as those players using the siege get off of the siege, they become entirely useless, so its basically risk/reward.

This would help curb ball groups because ball groups tend to fight in enclosed spaces and they are only effective if they're able to stick together. So creating a way to create insane/concentrated damage over time in the area they are operating in is necessary in order to break up the ball group (or to overwhelm their heals).

IMO, this is the way that they need to approach ballgroups because coordinated groups will always have an advantage over uncoordinated pug groups or solo players. Give them a fighting chance but do it in a way that comes with severe limitations (i.e., through siege).