Wait, how do you know they aren't going to thank you after the bite. You can't possibly infer that from the initial message.

And yes, for some without keyboards, typing out extra words or letters is unnecessary and annoying.

More than happy to vamp bite anyone. Once they realise just how badly zos have screwed the pooch with vamp changes they'll be visiting the priest of arkay before you can say "knife".

In most games I have played, please is generally not customary for advertising to the general population. Some people say it anyway and that's great, but it's not common. A thank you however is common. So I would not find it rude if the person did not say please. But I would be mildly annoyed if I didn't get a thanks. This is often done in shorthand with "ty" and "thx" rather than "thank you" in my experience. Just internet lingo and manners, which can be different to real life.

So you created a whole baiting thread because someone didn't say please?

Just an anecdote. I created a new character, Darvasa, when Greymoor was released and the vampirism system improved. I wanted to make her a vampire without using the crown store, but how? First, I tried to find a vampire npc in the wilderness to infect my character - but found none. Then I thought about getting her bitten by another player character, but I've seen the same people spamming the zone chat with "lf vampire bite" all the time, for hours, obviously without anyone reacting. So I wondered: How will I get a player to bite her? What can I do to convince them to bother, and to choose me and not some other player? There must be something distinguishing to get a reaction. So I just made up a short story. I'm not sure about the exact wording, but it was something along the lines of:

"Greetings! I, Lady Darvasa Andrethi of Great House Telvanni, am planning to deepen my studies of vampirism. As I came to the conclusion that the best method was to contract the disease myself, I am looking for someone who could help me out with that. Of course I will mention you in my publications if you wish! Otherwise, if you prefer to stay anonymous - discretion guaranteed."

I got a positive reply immediately. When I logged off with my now vampiric character 4 hours later, I still saw the same people repeatedly posting "lf vampire bite" in chat...

Amottica wrote: »

Heck, if someone started saying please they would get trolled so hard.

It says a lot if people consider that a reason to troll someone (Who does that even? Is it "manners are so old-fashioned!!! löl" kiddies? I can't think of any reason why someone should be irritated by other peoples' politeness). Thankfully, I've gotten a different, more positive, impression about (a big percentage of) the ESO community so far.

Whaadywhaaadywhaawhaa.

People should say thanks after a bite...maybe even after a bite offer.

The zone chat you quote is fine. Less spam in zone chat.

Syldras wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Heck, if someone started saying please they would get trolled so hard.

It says a lot if people consider that a reason to troll someone (Who does that even? Is it "manners are so old-fashioned!!! löl" kiddies? I can't think of any reason why someone should be irritated by other peoples' politeness). Thankfully, I've gotten a different, more positive, impression about (a big percentage of) the ESO community so far.

It says a lot about the small number of people who troll, but not about the server population as a whole. Heck, I never indicated that the majority of the population would troll them.

Either way, I see the fact people do not please as a petty issue as they do say thank you, tyfg, and such. They do not lack manners to any degree. We see it all the time when a group finishes where at least one person in the group was a random pug. The overwhelming portion of the population does demonstrate manners and please is not required for that.

And to that, I will not be saying please as it is not necessary and I doubt anyone will refuse to invite me to a group as a result. Then again, I do not bother with general chat to begin with because it does not serve any benefit to me. I have gen chat turned off for a reason.

I knew it.

Amottica wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Heck, if someone started saying please they would get trolled so hard.

It says a lot if people consider that a reason to troll someone (Who does that even? Is it "manners are so old-fashioned!!! löl" kiddies? I can't think of any reason why someone should be irritated by other peoples' politeness). Thankfully, I've gotten a different, more positive, impression about (a big percentage of) the ESO community so far.

It says a lot about the small number of people who troll, but not about the server population as a whole. Heck, I never indicated that the majority of the population would troll them.

Either way, I see the fact people do not please as a petty issue as they do say thank you, tyfg, and such. They do not lack manners to any degree. We see it all the time when a group finishes where at least one person in the group was a random pug. The overwhelming portion of the population does demonstrate manners and please is not required for that.

And to that, I will not be saying please as it is not necessary and I doubt anyone will refuse to invite me to a group as a result. Then again, I do not bother with general chat to begin with because it does not serve any benefit to me. I have gen chat turned off for a reason.

Thank you is great... but it comes after the initial request.

I really do think I just come from a different time. I was taught to always say please and thank you. Also, I'm a school teacher and I always teach my kids to say please and thank you... I think it's just general manners if you are asking someone to give you something.

I respect that most people no longer see it the way I do, but judging by the response, that respect hasn't been returned.

But thank you for your reply.

delenn35 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but why do most people leave a message in zone chat along the lines of...

LF vamp/werewolf bite...

?

Seriously, what does it take to say please and thank you when someone follows through? Does it take so long to type?

Maybe I was raised differently but if someone is going to save me $15 I'm definitely going to let them know how thankful I am.

I won't bite anyone with bad manners, but that's just me.

I know I'll get hate for this (and that says a lot).

Please hear me when I say that I think it is very rude of you to jump right into your rant and not politely introduce yourself and ask for our attention. It's also quite rude to end with "I know I'll get hate for this (and that says a lot)" rather than something like "thank you for reading this, what are your thoughts?" that would signal you see yourself as equal to the community rather than condescending over it.

Thank you for reading this, I hope it provides some insight into how to be polite, since you seem to value politeness a lot.

Have a good day.

Syldras wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

And to that, I will not be saying please as it is not necessary and I doubt anyone will refuse to invite me to a group as a result.

Searching for group members is one thing. To complete your group is of mutual interest. But if it's about vampire or werewolf bites, it's clearly only one person who profits, while it's only costing the other one time and effort. Politeness aside, I'm just wondering why the person who doesn't profit should put of with the hassle and loss of time if they don't even get a friendly word back for that.

Personally, I would find it unneccessarily impolite not to show gratefulness for something I asked for and got gifted by someone who didn't get anything for it. Some people wrote it would be so difficult to type - really? You just got something for free you'd otherwise have to pay 15$ or € for and you won't take the time and effort to time 2(!) or 3 letters (for "ty" or "thx")? Well, you do yours, but I find that quite hard to understand.

Thank you for your response... if I bite, that's all I expect in return.

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

delenn35 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before, but why do most people leave a message in zone chat along the lines of...

LF vamp/werewolf bite...

?

Seriously, what does it take to say please and thank you when someone follows through? Does it take so long to type?

Maybe I was raised differently but if someone is going to save me $15 I'm definitely going to let them know how thankful I am.

I won't bite anyone with bad manners, but that's just me.

I know I'll get hate for this (and that says a lot).

Please hear me when I say that I think it is very rude of you to jump right into your rant and not politely introduce yourself and ask for our attention. It's also quite rude to end with "I know I'll get hate for this (and that says a lot)" rather than something like "thank you for reading this, what are your thoughts?" that would signal you see yourself as equal to the community rather than condescending over it.

Thank you for reading this, I hope it provides some insight into how to be polite, since you seem to value politeness a lot.

Have a good day.

You are kidding, right?

Virtue signaling

Every time I loot a style page from a daily I already know, I link it in zone and say "Free". Normally common practice is first come first served, so I get several 'ME's, but I always send it to the one that says please. I thank them for asking nicely.

I am reminded of a discussion I had in another MMO. This person was lamenting the fact that no one takes the time to say "hello" or introduce themselves when they group up. He said back in his Anarchy Online days, people would group up and greet each other and having just general friendly discussions before properly starting their quest/dungeon. His opinion was that current gamers are rude and lacked manners and social graces.

I wonder if this is indicative of a generational gap in players or if there is a deeper meaning at all. Maybe times have just changed.