Part of the appeal/addiction of an MMO is that you feel you and the people around you have earned what you have.

If you or other players get everything handed to you that gets lost.

Right now, if you want to experience what you are suggesting you can make a template char on the PTS. The template has virtually everything you'll ever want or need on it but, it feels hollow to play as because you haven't earned it and because it makes the content in the game dependent on the experience of the moment being good and the truth is with most games the fun comes in bursts with progression working to fill the gaps rather than a sustained constant stream of fun.

chessalavakia_ESO wrote: »

Part of the appeal/addiction of an MMO is that you feel you and the people around you have earned what you have.

If you or other players get everything handed to you that gets lost.

Right now, if you want to experience what you are suggesting you can make a template char on the PTS. The template has virtually everything you'll ever want or need on it but, it feels hollow to play as because you haven't earned it and because it makes the content in the game dependent on the experience of the moment being good and the truth is with most games the fun comes in bursts with progression working to fill the gaps rather than a sustained constant stream of fun.

When i play and experience the same thing more than once, it doesn't give the same feeling that i had when i finished them for the first time.

Besides, if what you say is true, then why are we allowed to use champion points on characters that have not reached that threshold?

Because the developers themselves know that we have done what we should have done to earn them already.

Here's my opinion: If the progression in this game is to be account-wide, then so should everything else, for free. And if it is to be limited to each individual character, so should everything else. One way or the other. Not both.

This feels like pure laziness being offered whenever I see these types of polls.

I don't understand some people. I clearly have written the words "as an option" in my post, and yet they are acting like i want to take their way of playing their game away.

I just don't understand this.

I don’t think people should be able to create a new character for a class they haven’t played and suddenly be at max level. It would make characters “ready” for harder content with players that don’t understand how to play them. Leveling up and slowly building up skills, equipment and passives is how players naturally learn and become able to play a character.

If it were it would probably end up in the crown store as a level boost token or something, even then I would only consider it if it came with all the class/weapon/armour skill lines fully leveled otherwise its not worth bothering with if you still had to level all those anyway may as well just level normally.

If they do implement it I would want it to have the unlock condition of having leveled up one of each class to level 50 in the hopes that they would learn the basics of those classes before creating max level characters and jumping right into end game content with them potentially screwing over the group lucky enough to end up with them in the event they had no clue how to use their new characters class.

If they don't go the crown store route, I think it would be good as a gold sink, to pay X amount of gold to an NPC to get to level 50 right away.

FBS94 wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Why play a game, if you don't want to actually play the game.

This would also cause many level 50's who would have no clue what they are doing, while still queueing for veterans on their new character.

Those players can just queue for normal dungeons and learn how their characters are supposed to work, by experiencing them there, instead of wasting their time leveling them up by doing quests that the player has already done in the past.

Or just set a companion to heal, and then do solo dolmen runs. That could work too.

Yeah, because players have been well known to treat others with respect.... hence the almost daily fake role threads. I do get what you are saying, but quite a few players would negatively affect other player's their gameplay if your idea were to be implemented.

FBS94 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

FBS94 wrote: »

I don't understand some people. I clearly have written the words "as an option" in my post, and yet they are acting like i want to take their way of playing their game away.

I just don't understand this.

It is as well hard to understand for us, why you want to skip, what is "the game".

ESO is, after having completed the quests for the first time, is all about doing activities such as the dungeons, pvp, and trials.

For you maybe, but questing is part of the game... I am working on taking 18 characters through the entire game, and all DLC's. Doing quests just once, is a selfimposed limit you set for yourself. There is no reason for players to skip the leveling process. For new players, they need the experience of how the game works/functions. And veteran players can do 1-50 easily, so there is no reason for a skipmechanic.

Yes please , I'll even pay for it.. Speed running the same quest I have done 3-5+ times is brain numbing.
I enjoyed it the first time , 2-3rd time I'm just pressing E as fast as I can to get to the next check point, over and over.
I'm working on my 7th toon and I just can't, I have 7th and 8th slot stuck at lvl 14 and 17 because I can't do the same quest for the 6-7th time. It starts to hurt my head after 30 mins of knowing what is expected and where to go etc..

Now I'm talking 0-50 and as OP stated "as an option",
Now Skyshards and Skill lines are already an option. ( if you have completed them before )
Don't get me wrong , Cyrodiil under 50 is some of the most enjoyable game play

But PvE questing to get to level 50. Please give us the option like 90% of mmo's out there lol

I'm not sure how this would work in ESO because there's so many different aspects to levelling. As well as the characters level each skill line and each skill needs to be levelled up, and you need skill points from quests and skyshards to unlock them.

A character who has just reached level 50 isn't going to have all their skill lines and skills trained up or have enough skill points for all of them, so if instantly levelling just unlocked everything as it does with the PTS template characters that would give characters levelled up this way a massive advantage over ones levelled naturally.

But if it doesn't unlock everything what would you get? Would the game or the player get to choose which skill lines are levelled up? Would it pick random skyshards to be 'collected' or would it give you skill points you can't get any other way and then allow you to collect all the existing skill points later on?

I also agree that new players trying to jump into harder content with a class or build they don't know how to play will cause problems, mainly for the players who do it. My other MMO has a number of ways of instantly levelling a character and that's exactly what happens. But I think there's ways around that. For example instantly levelling a character could require an item which can only be purchased by a level 50 character, maybe even one of the same class if that's considered relevant. And of course anyone who doesn't want to skip levelling could simply not buy or use that item.

I'm not completely against the idea, although it's not something I'm likely to do myself, but I think it would need to be carefully designed to make sure the end result is equal to levelling normally and not giving advantages, and to try to avoid overwhelming new players with skills and choices they don't know how to use effectively.

All the pressure these days is on trivialising games, and trying to justify that by putting it forward purely as an option. Put simply, it's wrong and I don't agree with it.

I don't think new players should be able to jump straight to Level 50. And I don't think grinding dolmens to get a single character to Level 50 in a day should give you immediate access to 17 more Level 50 characters.

But it is also true that making players grind through the same content over and over and over again reaches a point of ridiculousness.

So I would be OK if they added ability to buy a Level 50 character, but locked it behind an achievement. Call it "Well-Rounded Adventurer" or something and have it be full of moderately difficult achievements across dungeons, trials, PVP, crafting, questing, etc. So, yes, you would be able to skip the level up grind. But you would have to have a significant investment of time and effort into the game before it unlocked.

I find GW2 concept pretty good: we can purchase in gem store (equivalent to crown store in ESO) a level booster to max our our new char in one use, providing us with all rewards associated with each level in one go. This has two advantages:
- Those who don't want to level up again a char can skip it by purchasing the booster (high price).
- Anet (equivalent to ZOS in ESO) earn good money with it as it is one of the hits in the shop.

I don't agree that the work to level up an alt could be skipped without a counter part. Leveling up is an important part of the game content, that is an effort and time consuming yes, but that's normal, because to reach max level on a char is a reward for a work done.
Beside, I can already picture the players who will produce loads of chars if it's given just like that to max an alt. I tend to believe that it would rapidly result in massive data volume problems...

Sarannah wrote: »

Why play a game, if you don't want to actually play the game.

This would also cause many level 50's who would have no clue what they are doing, while still queueing for veterans on their new character.

Because for end game players the game doesn’t start until level 50. Many of us have leveled many toons from zero and have played the story over and over and just want a new leveled class to run in dungeons and trials to shake things up or to meet group composition goals. Other MMOs like WOW and SWTOR have level tokens you can buy or get for free with each new expansion so it is an industry standard practice.

Also not being able to use any of my banked gear sucks. As the OP stated this would be an option and I can’t fathom how some players are adamantly opposed to players being able to enjoy a game by focusing on what they enjoy. There could even be a limitation that you have to level at least one toon fully before using the token so you understand the game mechanics.

And to you point about veteran dungeons getting players not knowing what they are doing that already happens under the current system. End game players likely to use such a token are also more likely to have an actual build and know what they are doing.

DreamyLu wrote: »

I find GW2 concept pretty good: we can purchase in gem store (equivalent to crown store in ESO) a level booster to max our our new char in one use, providing us with all rewards associated with each level in one go. This has two advantages:
- Those who don't want to level up again a char can skip it by purchasing the booster (high price).
- Anet (equivalent to ZOS in ESO) earn good money with it as it is one of the hits in the shop.

I don't agree that the work to level up an alt could be skipped without a counter part. Leveling up is an important part of the game content, that is an effort and time consuming yes, but that's normal, because to reach max level on a char is a reward for a work done.
Beside, I can already picture the players who will produce loads of chars if it's given just like that to max an alt. I tend to believe that it would rapidly result in massive data volume problems...

I think it would be harder to design an equivalent item for ESO though, because of the way skills are trained. In GW2 getting to level 80 by any method will unlock all the core skills and specialisations and the elite specs from the expansions can't be trained until after that, so it's easy to determine what a boosted character should get.

In ESO each skill line and skill needs to be trained up individually and there are too many to train them all up by the time you reach level 50 (even excluding the ones which have to be unlocked first like the Undaunted and Psijic skills). Giving them all to a boosted character would give them a huge advantage over characters levelled normally, but not giving them any would make the boost pointless because you'd spend about the same amount of time unlocking everything. Also because of level scaling you'd probably be better off just buying skill lines and skyshards from the crown store and ignoring the character level.