Stopped playing during Elsweyr. Came back for new PC NA pvp servers.

Kalitas · June 2022

I'm disappointed to come back after 3 years and find that no new PVP features have been added. Beyond updating 2012 hardware. No new class since Necro, no new combat skill line since Psijic? I think Mythics are the one thing that is different? Supposedly this is because of old consoles holding back the game? The new feature of this years chapter is a card game. I can go play MTG. If continuing to support consoles released nearly a decade ago is why a game can't evolve, maybe support for them should be sunset. Or, maybe the game splits into two different branches. New features get added for newer generations of consoles/PC. Older generations of consoles get the updates they can handle.

Mr_Stach · June 2022

-Imperial City back in Update 7 - 2015
-BGs launched in the Update 18 (Morrowind)- 2017
-Artifact Weapons Launched in Update 22 (Elsweyr) - 2019

PvP is starving for actual updates and the Balance changes are too polarizing and tend to send people away.

I'm still wanting a Battle Royale free-for-all pvp mode. Maybe in Solstheim? Giant Arena with Weather Hazards, wild animals trying to get you while you duke it out? I'd play the *** out of that.

RevJJ · June 2022

Well, in January they said they might do some pvp weekend events… And since then it’s been crickets. So it’s probably fair to assume that was just some pr talk to keep pvp-ers quiet for a bit.

ResidentContrarian · June 2022

RevJJ wrote: »

Well, in January they said they might do some pvp weekend events… And since then it’s been crickets. So it’s probably fair to assume that was just some pr talk to keep pvp-ers quiet for a bit.

It takes time, money, and planning for all of that, and upper managers and other stakeholders ultimately decide whether the cost-benefit is worth it and what you will get at the end.

Pretty sure forums would explode if an event were run that were buggy or caused issues. Maybe not PR talk as much as planning for proper execution of their plans...eventually.

Morgaledh · June 2022

Kalitas wrote: »

If continuing to support consoles released nearly a decade ago is why a game can't evolve, maybe support for them should be sunset. Or, maybe the game splits into two different branches. New features get added for newer generations of consoles/PC. Older generations of consoles get the updates they can handle.

Could give a crap about PvP, but chaining this game to consoles is a real problem and this can't be said enough. I'm not even talking about the stupid 5 button format (I've got a whole keyboard, why are addons to use it necessary?) I know, I know, it's monetization, there are more consoles so there you are. But hey, PC master race man. All the way.

Mr_Stach · June 2022

RevJJ wrote: »

Well, in January they said they might do some pvp weekend events… And since then it’s been crickets. So it’s probably fair to assume that was just some pr talk to keep pvp-ers quiet for a bit.

PvP Weekends still aren't new content even if they show up (which I doubt) they will just be for PvE-ers wanting to grind out their Skill Lines real quick.

PvP needs something new, also I'd like to play Deathmatch in BGs again. Why not have a selection like in the Dungeon Queue, let us select what modes we prefer and roll that way.

Kalitas · June 2022

Morgaledh wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

If continuing to support consoles released nearly a decade ago is why a game can't evolve, maybe support for them should be sunset. Or, maybe the game splits into two different branches. New features get added for newer generations of consoles/PC. Older generations of consoles get the updates they can handle.

Could give a crap about PvP, but chaining this game to consoles is a real problem and this can't be said enough. I'm not even talking about the stupid 5 button format (I've got a whole keyboard, why are addons to use it necessary?) I know, I know, it's monetization, there are more consoles so there you are. But hey, PC master race man. All the way.

I completely agree with tying this game to last generation consoles is a real problem. If you're looking ahead thinking about the future of this game and how it will evolve, that doesn't bode well at all.

Morgaledh · June 2022

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I completely agree with tying this game to last generation consoles is a real problem. If you're looking ahead thinking about the future of this game and how it will evolve, that doesn't bode well at all.[/quote]

Way back, the concept of the "killer app" was a thing - software that is so awesome it drives hardware adoption and purchases. One early example was Myst. CDs were a new thing, and most couldn't use them on their rigs, but being able to play Myst meant forking over the money and completely overhauling your system, just to play it.

If ZOS made a game, or an expansion, so awesome that in order to play it, you had to upgrade or buy a whole new console in order to do so, would people do it? Times and technology have changed, but that much?

Kalitas · June 2022

Morgaledh wrote: »

I completely agree with tying this game to last generation consoles is a real problem. If you're looking ahead thinking about the future of this game and how it will evolve, that doesn't bode well at all.

Way back, the concept of the "killer app" was a thing - software that is so awesome it drives hardware adoption and purchases. One early example was Myst. CDs were a new thing, and most couldn't use them on their rigs, but being able to play Myst meant forking over the money and completely overhauling your system, just to play it.

If ZOS made a game, or an expansion, so awesome that in order to play it, you had to upgrade or buy a whole new console in order to do so, would people do it? Times and technology have changed, but that much?

I think it would work. I purchased a PS5 to play the Demon's Souls remake. To be fair, that was my favorite PS3 game so I was extremely excited for the remaster. I think people would upgrade if they were big enough fans.

Didgerion · June 2022

Kalitas wrote: »

I'm disappointed to come back after 3 years and find that no new PVP features have been added. Beyond updating 2012 hardware. No new class since Necro, no new combat skill line since Psijic? I think Mythics are the one thing that is different? Supposedly this is because of old consoles holding back the game? The new feature of this years chapter is a card game. I can go play MTG. If continuing to support consoles released nearly a decade ago is why a game can't evolve, maybe support for them should be sunset. Or, maybe the game splits into two different branches. New features get added for newer generations of consoles/PC. Older generations of consoles get the updates they can handle.

Fixing the lag is a big leap forward. Adding new features in PVP while having the lag issues would be foolish.

Also you left for 3 years, without contributing to the game, and without providing a feedback of what you want from PVP , I say you are quite lucky PVP is still here, the probability of having new PVP features is as high as the probability of shutting it down completely.

Kalitas · June 2022

Didgerion wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

I'm disappointed to come back after 3 years and find that no new PVP features have been added. Beyond updating 2012 hardware. No new class since Necro, no new combat skill line since Psijic? I think Mythics are the one thing that is different? Supposedly this is because of old consoles holding back the game? The new feature of this years chapter is a card game. I can go play MTG. If continuing to support consoles released nearly a decade ago is why a game can't evolve, maybe support for them should be sunset. Or, maybe the game splits into two different branches. New features get added for newer generations of consoles/PC. Older generations of consoles get the updates they can handle.

Fixing the lag is a big leap forward. Adding new features in PVP while having the lag issues would be foolish.

Also you left for 3 years, without contributing to the game, and without providing a feedback of what you want from PVP , I say you are quite lucky PVP is still here, the probability of having new PVP features is as high as the probability of shutting it down completely.

What a terrible point. I left for 3 years because of the terrible performance and the complete lack of anything being added to PVP. I wasn't going to continue to pay or spend time on a game that wasn't making any improvements to the main thing I play the game for, PVP. As soon as I heard that the servers have been upgraded and PVP was smoother, I'm back and reupped my ESO+ and bought the new chapter to show my support. I have no interest in the new chapter. The Bretons are my least favorite race and I don't care about a card game at all. But I did it to put my money where my mouth is, PVP server upgrades means I'll pay again. I wouldn't say I'm lucky PVP is still here. If they dropped it completely it would make my decision very easy. There are a million other games I can spend my time and money on.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · June 2022

Both ff14 and dcuo cutted the support of the ps3 in 2017 about 4 years after the ps4 released. On top of that the ps4 was much easier to fin than the ps5 currently is. Making the switch now would basicly kill the console population.

As for splitting the server, it would need cross progression between the 2 servers or when switching over to next gen you would loose progress. That or full server tranfer

The best way to go in my opinion is to wait a year or 2 to allow more ps5 and xbox x/s to reach the console population

Didgerion · June 2022

Kalitas wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

I'm disappointed to come back after 3 years and find that no new PVP features have been added. Beyond updating 2012 hardware. No new class since Necro, no new combat skill line since Psijic? I think Mythics are the one thing that is different? Supposedly this is because of old consoles holding back the game? The new feature of this years chapter is a card game. I can go play MTG. If continuing to support consoles released nearly a decade ago is why a game can't evolve, maybe support for them should be sunset. Or, maybe the game splits into two different branches. New features get added for newer generations of consoles/PC. Older generations of consoles get the updates they can handle.

Fixing the lag is a big leap forward. Adding new features in PVP while having the lag issues would be foolish.

Also you left for 3 years, without contributing to the game, and without providing a feedback of what you want from PVP , I say you are quite lucky PVP is still here, the probability of having new PVP features is as high as the probability of shutting it down completely.

What a terrible point. I left for 3 years because of the terrible performance and the complete lack of anything being added to PVP. I wasn't going to continue to pay or spend time on a game that wasn't making any improvements to the main thing I play the game for, PVP. As soon as I heard that the servers have been upgraded and PVP was smoother, I'm back and reupped my ESO+ and bought the new chapter to show my support. I have no interest in the new chapter. The Bretons are my least favorite race and I don't care about a card game at all. But I did it to put my money where my mouth is, PVP server upgrades means I'll pay again. I wouldn't say I'm lucky PVP is still here. If they dropped it completely it would make my decision very easy. There are a million other games I can spend my time and money on.

My point is we are lucky PVP is still here.
Also looks like they fixed one of your main issues - the lag! So why not taking it slowly from there, give PVP a try, see what else you would like to see improved, and come up with a constructive feedback.

Mr_Stach · June 2022

Didgerion wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

I'm disappointed to come back after 3 years and find that no new PVP features have been added. Beyond updating 2012 hardware. No new class since Necro, no new combat skill line since Psijic? I think Mythics are the one thing that is different? Supposedly this is because of old consoles holding back the game? The new feature of this years chapter is a card game. I can go play MTG. If continuing to support consoles released nearly a decade ago is why a game can't evolve, maybe support for them should be sunset. Or, maybe the game splits into two different branches. New features get added for newer generations of consoles/PC. Older generations of consoles get the updates they can handle.

Fixing the lag is a big leap forward. Adding new features in PVP while having the lag issues would be foolish.

Also you left for 3 years, without contributing to the game, and without providing a feedback of what you want from PVP , I say you are quite lucky PVP is still here, the probability of having new PVP features is as high as the probability of shutting it down completely.

What a terrible point. I left for 3 years because of the terrible performance and the complete lack of anything being added to PVP. I wasn't going to continue to pay or spend time on a game that wasn't making any improvements to the main thing I play the game for, PVP. As soon as I heard that the servers have been upgraded and PVP was smoother, I'm back and reupped my ESO+ and bought the new chapter to show my support. I have no interest in the new chapter. The Bretons are my least favorite race and I don't care about a card game at all. But I did it to put my money where my mouth is, PVP server upgrades means I'll pay again. I wouldn't say I'm lucky PVP is still here. If they dropped it completely it would make my decision very easy. There are a million other games I can spend my time and money on.

My point is we are lucky PVP is still here.
Also looks like they fixed one of your main issues - the lag! So why not taking it slowly from there, give PVP a try, see what else you would like to see improved, and come up with a constructive feedback.

PvP is one of the largest pain points in ESO and you just say go give it a try, PvP Pain Points are the same, even without major lag issues because Balance is generally terrible. People get sick of the whip-lash balance, so they leave. There's been no meaningful PvP updates since Elsweyr, so it's basically in the same spot it was when OP left.

Kalitas · June 2022

Mr_Stach wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

Didgerion wrote: »

Kalitas wrote: »

I'm disappointed to come back after 3 years and find that no new PVP features have been added. Beyond updating 2012 hardware. No new class since Necro, no new combat skill line since Psijic? I think Mythics are the one thing that is different? Supposedly this is because of old consoles holding back the game? The new feature of this years chapter is a card game. I can go play MTG. If continuing to support consoles released nearly a decade ago is why a game can't evolve, maybe support for them should be sunset. Or, maybe the game splits into two different branches. New features get added for newer generations of consoles/PC. Older generations of consoles get the updates they can handle.

Fixing the lag is a big leap forward. Adding new features in PVP while having the lag issues would be foolish.

Also you left for 3 years, without contributing to the game, and without providing a feedback of what you want from PVP , I say you are quite lucky PVP is still here, the probability of having new PVP features is as high as the probability of shutting it down completely.

What a terrible point. I left for 3 years because of the terrible performance and the complete lack of anything being added to PVP. I wasn't going to continue to pay or spend time on a game that wasn't making any improvements to the main thing I play the game for, PVP. As soon as I heard that the servers have been upgraded and PVP was smoother, I'm back and reupped my ESO+ and bought the new chapter to show my support. I have no interest in the new chapter. The Bretons are my least favorite race and I don't care about a card game at all. But I did it to put my money where my mouth is, PVP server upgrades means I'll pay again. I wouldn't say I'm lucky PVP is still here. If they dropped it completely it would make my decision very easy. There are a million other games I can spend my time and money on.

My point is we are lucky PVP is still here.
Also looks like they fixed one of your main issues - the lag! So why not taking it slowly from there, give PVP a try, see what else you would like to see improved, and come up with a constructive feedback.

PvP is one of the largest pain points in ESO and you just say go give it a try, PvP Pain Points are the same, even without major lag issues because Balance is generally terrible. People get sick of the whip-lash balance, so they leave. There's been no meaningful PvP updates since Elsweyr, so it's basically in the same spot it was when OP left.

True. It's the same it was since I left. It's not that I don't appreciate the new servers. I'm back for them. If they're worried about stressing the servers with more Cyro features they could add new another instanced PVP like they did with Battlegrounds. Although, ideally adding more to Cyrodiil is the answer.