I tend to agree, but we have folks on the forums here claiming that optimized groups stacking heals can now "wipe easily" now that "the lag is gone."

Again, not my experience, but if that's the case I guess it's not really a problem?

From a balance standpoint my honest opinion is that the same healing ability shouldn't stack with itself. For instance, you might be able to stack someone else's Echoing Vigor on top of your own Resolving Vigor, perhaps, but you shouldn't be able to have multiple stacks of Echoing Vigor from yourself and other players all ticking at the same time.

I'm under no delusion that this will "stop" or even marginally curtail ball group power. But it will force players to be more creative with their composition, and also potentially, though not certainly, close some of the distance between an optimized group using only the very highest tick HOTs as determined by logs and a smattering of less organized players using a more diverse set of abilities. It also just makes sense.

But again, this is discussion that only matters if a) the issue is still an issue, which is to say, ball groups are not somehow irrelevant now that there's no lag as others here have ambitiously claimed; and more importantly b) if devs actually value and listen to player feedback on this matter, which is the point I find most lacking over the successive patches that have led us to where we are now.

neferpitou73 wrote: »

doesurmindglow wrote: »

I tend to agree, but we have folks on the forums here claiming that optimized groups stacking heals can now "wipe easily" now that "the lag is gone."

Again, not my experience, but if that's the case I guess it's not really a problem?

From a balance standpoint my honest opinion is that the same healing ability shouldn't stack with itself. For instance, you might be able to stack someone else's Echoing Vigor on top of your own Resolving Vigor, perhaps, but you shouldn't be able to have multiple stacks of Echoing Vigor from yourself and other players all ticking at the same time.

I'm under no delusion that this will "stop" or even marginally curtail ball group power. But it will force players to be more creative with their composition, and also potentially, though not certainly, close some of the distance between an optimized group using only the very highest tick HOTs as determined by logs and a smattering of less organized players using a more diverse set of abilities. It also just makes sense.

But again, this is discussion that only matters if a) the issue is still an issue, which is to say, ball groups are not somehow irrelevant now that there's no lag as others here have ambitiously claimed; and more importantly b) if devs actually value and listen to player feedback on this matter, which is the point I find most lacking over the successive patches that have led us to where we are now.

It's too early to tell if this is the case or not. I will say that it does feel slightly harder fighting zergs but that's mostly because the only times I experience lag right now is when there's 40+ players around (additionally the zergs are using tremendous amounts of soft CC). In practice I've noticed that it's definitely easier to avoid a lot of the DCs/bombs ball groups use because break free actually works now.

Without lag I can now blockcast my entire bomb combo through dark convergence. It's no longer a free disengage tool for ball groups. Every bomber I've spoken to have said that they are many times more successful vs balls now compared to before the server upgrades.

Its because siege dots can be blocked or dodged completely. That bug needs fixed first before doing balance changes

I never played a healer before and recently leveled one just for PvP. I was amazed at how easy it was to heal through just about anything. Standing behind a ram with a siege shield up, oils pouring down, lightning staff, fire staff heavy attacks, bow strikes, and other damage made no difference. Solo attackers would get frustrated trying to take me down and just give up. The only problem I ran into was when I would find myself in the path of a ball group, then they would run me over and I would die, but they were really only my biggest threat.

I play in Cyro with my wife or as a solo potato, I'm not great but I can hold my own most of the time, but even I have to agree with OP, healing is off the charts! When I can out heal all that damage, something is horribly broken.

xFocused wrote: »

Seeing all the comments here about nerfing siege...I just can't agree to that. Siege should be dealing significant damage and should be more of a threat. When oils do more damage then a coldfire ballista, I would say that's a issue. I've shot so many people with coldfire and they just withstand it like I'm poking them with it, lol. Siege definitely needs a buff, not a major one, not so that it's wiping large groups or getting kills every time it hits someone, but it definitely needs to be more of a threat than it is currently

The thing about cold fire is that it can be easily resisted. Cold stone, on the other hand, is an Oblivion type damage, and hits much harder. The problem is, cold stone trebs are slow and most players are smart enough to not stand in one place for long. If ZOS were to create a quicker firing cold stone ballista, things would be a lot different.

Also, there are ways to buff siege damage vs players that many aren't aware of. Educating oneself often pays dividends on the battlefield.

Agreed, siege is too weak and it gives a fair warning when its about to hit....bs especially for those ball zergs that have 150% speeds amongst them. Siege needs an upgrade or heals in PVP only, need a nerf. Stop nerfing PVE with PVP, frustrating for trial goers.