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Too weak to level

tconlin93
tconlin93
Soul Shriven
I've gotten the game a few days ago and made it to level 9 on a Nightblade. Now I've found I can't really progress in any more quests or really do anything because I'm too weak. I barely survive a 1-on-1 encounter with a mob the same level as me and if there's 2 mobs or the mob is a level above me I have no chance whatsoever. I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. I've looked up how to build my skill points most efficiently, I make sure I have tons of consumables, I fully repair what little gear I have, and I still can't complete any solo quests without it taking at least an hour per quest. Then I see other classes come by the same level as me and just one hit the same mob I'm struggling on. What am I doing wrong? I'm dodging every red void zone I see, I'm blocking and interrupting when I see a charge attack? Why is this game so god damn hard...
  • SirPuppingtonVonHat
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    I'm willing to help. To start, please post your current build using one of the build calculators available (I prefer esohead's), as well as what equipment you're using. The more information you give us, the better chances we have of getting you out of your rut. Oh, and tag me in the post when you make it so that I see that its there.
    The Psijic Order
  • Elirienne
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    Do not worry. There is a bit of a plateau for almost every class around level 7-8-9 questing. I remember outlevelling my lvl 9 main quest and still getting my butt kicked. This does normalise around lvl 10, and then by 13-14, you can even be underleveled. Until then, try to stack survivability - heavy armor and defensive skills - to grind through these plateau levels. Good luck :)
  • Deadeyemouse14_ESO
    I honestly wish I knew, I never had much of a problem with the game, and the majority of the time have found it to be too forgiving. I can do my best to help out and see where the problems are.

    What is your current build? What skills you are using and how you use them can mean the difference between life and death, as well as knowing when to block and interrupt. Those two are far more important early game then red marks imo.

    Do you find yourself under-leveled for the quests you currently have?
  • Sarenia
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    There are plateaus as was said, but you really shouldn't be having that much difficulty at level 9. Particularly since you seem to be playing sensibly.

    * What skills are you using? This is important.
    * What armor and weapons are you using? You say you repair, so that's good. Though personally I recommend just replacing low level armor instead and saving your money.
    * Is the content you're currently trying to do a group dungeon? They have stronger enemies than normal.
    * Are you making sure to look for skyshards and skill books to maximize your progress?
    [beta_group_85b_9]
  • tconlin93
    tconlin93
    Soul Shriven
    My build I've got as much into the assassination tree as I can with a point in siphoning strike to self heal and the stealth in the other tree. I only have I think 12 skill points total.

    For gear all I have is a few pieces of green medium armor that I've gotten from quests up till now. Does the gear really matter that much at such a low level that I can't quest without gearing up? People ingame tell me I need to make and enchant my own gear to play which sounds really, really boring.

    As already said I do dodge everything that seems dodgeable and I interrupt any attacks that charge up. All of my quests are now 1 level above me which means I can't do them at all because I can't kill a single mob a level over me. Even if I'm building and gearing completely wrong I don't understand how I can still be this weak at LEVEL 9.
  • Sethyss
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    How thoroughly have you completed the 1-15 map for your character?

    From personal experience on my first character (when many of the zone-wide story driven quests were broken) I often found myself wandering in the wrong direction. I ended up heading to higher level hubs instead of the ones closer to my current level. I would try looking back at your map and seeing if there are any blank areas, there might be some lower level hubs with quest chains that can bump you up a level or two.

    Also are you doing much in the way of crafting? Making full suits of armour and weapons often makes questing a lot easier rather than relying on drops that can leave your gear severely under-levelled.
  • tconlin93
    tconlin93
    Soul Shriven
    I've made it about halfway across the first zone and I think I've covered every part of this half. The quests are just barely over me. I'm 3/4 of the way through level 9 and all my quests are level 10, but I still can't do them.

    I haven't done any crafting though or even encountered any sort of ingame explanation of how to craft anything yet so I figured it just came up later. I really hate crafting in games, but I guess I have no choice.
  • Sarenia
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    tconlin93 wrote: »
    I don't understand how I can still be this weak at LEVEL 9.

    You shouldn't be. Nightblades have a lot of utility to keep themselves alive.

    I wonder if you're using skills to their fullest extent. Did you get the build from a website, or have you read the descriptions? Once you understand the skill effects fully, you can chain them together for maximum effect.
    All of my quests are now 1 level above me which means I can't do them at all because I can't kill a single mob a level over me.

    You definitely shouldn't be underleveling content either, not at level 9. If anything you should be outleveling it.

    You almost assuredly missed more than a few quests, and probably some skyshards from the sound of it.
    People ingame tell me I need to make and enchant my own gear to play which sounds really, really boring.

    Many people are at least doing one crafting profession. Crafting is extremely straightforward and immediately rewarding. particularly at low levels, there's no sane reason whatsoever to pay for repairs instead of just creating stuff, since you don't need to invest skills to create low level gear.


    You may need to just consider how you play at a fundamental level. Slow down a bit, get the most out of the environment, and consider at least crafting your low level gear. It takes seconds to craft something, and resource nodes are plentiful. You have a choice not to craft, but in ESO the best gear in most cases will come from crafters -- so you'll want to make some friends if you don't want to ever get near a crafting bench.
    Edited by Sarenia on May 1, 2014 5:25AM
    [beta_group_85b_9]
  • tconlin93
    tconlin93
    Soul Shriven
    Where can I find out how to craft stuff? Do I need to talk to an NPC to pick up that profession, do I need to use a special worktable for each profession? There has been absolutely 0 mention of anything crafting in the game so far except that I've picked up one or two mats.
  • Sethyss
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    Also, have you been allocating the Attribute Points that you receive each time you level?

    Might sound obvious, but I guess it could be missed and they do a lot to beef up your stats.
  • Sarenia
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    tconlin93 wrote: »
    Where can I find out how to craft stuff? Do I need to talk to an NPC to pick up that profession, do I need to use a special worktable for each profession? There has been absolutely 0 mention of anything crafting in the game so far except that I've picked up one or two mats.
    It's not a drawn out, elaborate process like in some games. You just go to one of the map-marked craft houses in a city, use the bench, select an item to create, and click 'craft'. You can scale the power/level of the item by adding more resources to it. Woodworking benches are used to make wood stuff, clothing benches for clothing/leather armor, and blacksmith forges for metal stuff. Resource nodes are pretty straightforward too -- if you want to make something out of metal, harvest metal, and so on.

    You can ignore advanced things like deconstruction and research if you don't want to be a dedicated crafter.

    If you just really don't want to craft at all, you don't need to. It just helps a lot at low levels if nothing else (1-15). To survive without crafting, you need to be vigilant about doing all your quests and killing plenty of enemies. That will supply you with replacement gear so you don't have to waste money on repairing low level items.

    For now I recommend crafting yourself a full set of level 8 gear (or 10 iof you're closer to 10). I would bet money your equipment is outleveled by quite a bit by now. Once you have some proper gear, you should have less difficulty fighting stuff your level.
    Edited by Sarenia on May 1, 2014 5:33AM
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  • tconlin93
    tconlin93
    Soul Shriven
    Is the gear I craft that much better than what I find? And yes I have been spending my attribute points, I put 5 in stam and 5 in magicka. I just think there has to be some really huge and obvious thing that I'm missing because literally everyone else seems to be able to fight mobs without even taking a scratch.
  • Sarenia
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    tconlin93 wrote: »
    Is the gear I craft that much better than what I find?
    At low levels, particularly with missing quests as you have, you're unlikely to be wearing a full set of level-appropriate gear. So yah, crafted stuff really is likely to be a large improvement.

    As I said, you don't need to invest skill points to craft level 1-15 gear. You just need a modicum of patience and a tiny amount of harvested resources. :)

    [beta_group_85b_9]
  • Elirienne
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    I disagree with the crafting idea, I don't think you should waste your time on it this early, unless you really enjoy, in which case go ahead. Drops are absolutely enough to keep you going. I haven't touched a crafting bench till 50.

    Just grit your teeth through the plateau and as someone above said, outlevel content for now, and then you'll be fine past level 10.
  • tconlin93
    tconlin93
    Soul Shriven
    Well gritting my teeth through it won't work. I've been gritting my teeth and now have only come to the forums for help because I'm completely incapable of doing any more quests. How do I progress at all from here if I go back and don't find any other lower quests I missed?
  • Elirienne
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    You must have some that you missed. Did you do all the starter islands? Sometimes when you finish a chain, and you run away quickly, you may not see the npc approaching with the next chain. Check main hubs to see again if there is anything you have? At your level, it's even semi viable just kill mobs for xp until you ding that one level.

    What faction are you on? If Dominion, did you do the solo dungeons in auridon? Lots of nice xp and quest. Go back to the guilds in vulkhel guard, to make sure you haven't missed anything. Go east, check out the coast - smaller quests there... go explore, every bit counts...
  • Sethyss
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    Have you gone back and quested through the original starter areas?

    They changed it for some reason in the beta, but initially all players began on a small starter island that led to another introductory area to quest in before finally moving onto the cities we currently start in now (Davon's Watch, Daggerfall etc).

    Not played through the Aldermi Dominion yet, but for Ebonheart these areas are Bleakrock and Dhalmora, and for Daggerfall Covenant it is Stros M'Kai and Betnikh. These areas are pretty forgiving, and are a great place to get your head around not only the mechanics of the game but also familiarity with all of the map icons.

    Not to mention that you end up reaching level 7 or so by completing them both, so you can begin working on the current starter map with a bunch of skill and attribute points under your belt.

    I have no idea why they decided to change it universally in the beta. If you decide to play through the Coldharbour prison break introduction, then chances are you are new to the game and would benefit from playing through these original starter areas first as well. Starting off in Davon's Watch/Daggerfall/etc probably should have been reserved for those that opted to skip the introduction at character creation.
  • Reb
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    tconlin93 wrote: »
    Well gritting my teeth through it won't work. I've been gritting my teeth and now have only come to the forums for help because I'm completely incapable of doing any more quests. How do I progress at all from here if I go back and don't find any other lower quests I missed?

    there is no if about you missing some quests, if your under level then you missed some quests :)

    however it is viable to grind mobs for the exp (and drops at the same time) instead of questing, in fact its actually a quicker way to level if thats how you want to do it. Just find an area you can kill the mobs (no more than 5 levels below you) and kill constantly

    Crafting is actually very easy to pick up and will fill in the gaps in your inventory...plain white gear of your level will suffice (you out level it to quick to bother upgrading) but again its not a must do you should be able to get by on drops

  • deamor666eb17_ESO
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    Just a hint; the telepoting strike thingy of Nightblade does a ton of more damage if you use it from stealth and hit the enemies back. Most normal mobs loose about 70% of their health in one shot.

    Also, did you travel to the "tutorial" island when you got out of the prison? The quests there are a lot easier and you'll gain at least couple of levels there.
  • Aria
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    OK silly question but how much do you use stealth?

    Reason I ask is many players even those playing this class just do not take full advantage of the benefits of stealth, odds are you are using it I am just trying to figure out where your having issues?


    NB is my main and while some things are challenging ...don't think I have ever come across the issues you are having now, hopefully someone here can get you all sorted!
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  • demendred
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    Being new to the game, you gotta familiarize yourself with it. Don't let this get you down. I remember in beta, I didn't do too well as a melee class. I felt better with casters. But as I learned the game, and what to do, I tried NB again, and I love it. You'll get better at it, you just have to let go the worries, and have some fun. Mess around with other classes. Who knows, you might turn out to be a lot better with something else.
    All good Nords goto Sto'Vo'Kor.
  • BlackSparrow
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    While you're crafting armor, make sure your weapons are up to date too.

    This is particularly important if you're a damage-dealing Nightblade build. This build is my main, and I can say from experience that it can feel squishy as all get-out sometimes. This build excels at taking things down quickly and focusing damage on one enemy. Make sure your skills are maximizing on that with speed, damage boosts, and a little crowd control. I highly recommend the second skill in the siphoning tree; when you have to fight more than one enemy at once, it makes one target sit still for 12 seconds, which means you can concentrate your damage on one enemy at a time.

    It's normal for a stealth build to be squishy, but these quests should be doable if you play it smart. If you have the invisibility skill, pop it mid-fight, and use the 2.5 seconds it provides to get behind your enemy for an easy sneak attack mid-fight. Again, Nightblades excel at single-target damage. It's up to you to figure out how you want to capitalize on that.
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    Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
    Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
    Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
    Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
    Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
    Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
    Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
    Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
    Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
    Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
    Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
    Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
    Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
    Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
    Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
    Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
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  • wrlifeboil
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    tconlin93 wrote: »
    Well gritting my teeth through it won't work. I've been gritting my teeth and now have only come to the forums for help because I'm completely incapable of doing any more quests. How do I progress at all from here if I go back and don't find any other lower quests I missed?

    Eso isn't very forgiving when you outlevel the available quests. This was a problem for me too dating back to beta. The best answer is when you feel your character is too weak, upgrade your gear and/or modify your build.

    Upgrade your gear by crafting or join a big guild that wants to get rid of their low level junk from their guild bank. The other thing to do is check out the different builds. Maybe the build you have doesn't fit your play style. Nightblades can be nearly all melee combat or nearly all ranged combat depending on your build.
  • Kratork
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    all you need to level as a nightblade 1-49:
    esohead.com/calculator/skills#mcsz9s8IrtX8Iryp8GFx485sC7zbzqa8D7mMzdM6bzdm8zz7zztyfm8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
    Sneak to mob 1 -->Veiled strike-->heavy attack-->Killers Blade= mob 1 dead
    Shadowy Disguise-->Veiled strike-->heavy attack-->Killers Blade= mob 2 dead

    This is oversemplified and generic, but hope it helps.
    When this do not work (auto engaging mob, no surpirse attack, etc etc) you will struggle a bit but the other 3 skill slots are there to help you.

    soft cap for magica it's good, some health will help but it's marginal, stamina it's almost irrelevant; your goal with mentioned skill is not be hitted and crit-kill as fast as possible.
    You don't need specific gear till you unlock specific passive ability and most of these are just a waste of point before level 15/20.

    not everyone playing nightblade will like this playstyle and i do not intend this to be the only viable way, it's just the way I leveled to veteran 6 in 90% of the situation.


    Experiment a bit and have fun!
  • Mikeriddle1b16_ESO
    For a Nightblade soloing, crouching for stealth and using a heavy attack to open can significantly increase your odds in fighting.

    Also, abilities which stun or snare opponents are great at keeping incoming damage down; especially if you kite opponents back a little to prevent too many hitting you at once. Bows have some solid abilities in this area, as does siphoning later on.

    Over the next few levels placing some points into medium armour passives will assist your damage (crit chance) and give more efficient stamina usage.
  • Loxy37
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    Did you do the starter island? If you didn't then I would recommend you go back for the 2 skill pointe in the form of the 6 skyshards that's there.

    In beta-8, when I first played, I struggled a little but you do adapt and you will get better. I would suggest if all else fails, roll a Sorcerer or a Templar and go sword and board, with the NB I had the hardest time back in the betas. Sorcerer is a doddle to level and just got mine to almost VR2, Templar is simply easy mode on steroids and that's why most bots are that class. I'm not saying you stop the NB but play a easier class until you feel confident enough to level the NB. Always complete coldharbour (XP + 50 lockpicks) and always do the starter areas as you should stay 1-2 levels above content if you're a completionist like me (do the quest achievements). Good luck and don't give up!
  • temjiu
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    quick answer to your question "is crafting gear better then the stuff thats dropped". at lower levels (anything under cap) the answer is yes. the base stats of a white crafted item will be better then a green item of the same level that is dropped.

    there's a mild tradeoff: dropped items have a chance at better enchants and traits can be a bit higher. but for anything under lvl 20 you can craft a white item (especially if you add a trait and enchant it), and it will be better then anything you find for that level.

    And I encourage you to explore everything! keep an eye on your radar as you run around looking in nooks and crannies...if something pops up on the radar thats black, it's something you haven't explored yet. and it will most likely have a quest associated with it as well. more exp, and more loot.

    And here's a second for reading your skills (all of them) and seeing which ones work well with others. as the above poster said about stealth...one of your ablities does damage when unstealthed...but when stealthed it also knocks down your opponent (a.k.a stuns them). if your a melee player, stuns are just as critical as blocks and interrupts. they will keep you alive. stun things. learn to finish off a mob with siphon for the extra healing while your not taking damage. pop stealth a few times in combat to get that KD, or some extra damage, or even to just get around a mob pack.
  • BlackSparrow
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    Loxy37 wrote: »
    Did you do the starter island? If you didn't then I would recommend you go back for the 2 skill pointe in the form of the 6 skyshards that's there.

    In beta-8, when I first played, I struggled a little but you do adapt and you will get better. I would suggest if all else fails, roll a Sorcerer or a Templar and go sword and board, with the NB I had the hardest time back in the betas. Sorcerer is a doddle to level and just got mine to almost VR2, Templar is simply easy mode on steroids and that's why most bots are that class. I'm not saying you stop the NB but play a easier class until you feel confident enough to level the NB. Always complete coldharbour (XP + 50 lockpicks) and always do the starter areas as you should stay 1-2 levels above content if you're a completionist like me (do the quest achievements). Good luck and don't give up!

    This is a good point.

    Stealth builds can be very hard to play in any game. If you're having that much trouble with combat, try rolling up someone more sturdy, at least for a little while. I know my Dragon Knight tank breezes through most things that my Nightblade dual-wielder would struggle on, albeit taking enemies down a lot slower while doing it!

    This will at least help you get familiar with how combat in this game works, and how skills can work together. You may even find this suits your play style better than a flashy assassiny type.

    Once you know what it takes to do things right, you may be able to figure out what you're doing wrong.
    Living vicariously through my characters.

    My Girls:
    "If you were trapped in your house for, say, a year, how would you pass the time?"

    Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
    Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
    Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
    Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
    Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
    Lorelai Magpie, breton master thief: "I'd go nuts. Lucky for me, I have a little experience sneaking out!"
    Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
    Hex-Eye Azabi, khajiit daedric priestess: "I suppose it would be lucky, then, that I built a shrine to Mephala in my backyard."
    Yngva Stormhammer, nord bandit (reformed...ish): "I hate being inside even when I'm not forced to be. GET. ME. OUT."
    Madam Argentia, vampire dunmer aristocrat: "I suppose it would be more of the same. I have a rather... contentious relationship with the sun."
    Mazie gra-Bolga, orc scout: "Uh... I'd have to house train my bear..."
    Felicia the Wanderer, imperial witch-for-hire: "What Lorelai said."
    Calico Jaka-dra, retired khajiit pirate: "This one would like a rest from her grand adventures. Her jewel shop runs out of stock!"
    Shimmerbeam, blind altmer psijic: "Provided that I am confined to Artaeum, I do not think I will want for things to occupy my time."
    Shauna Blackfire, redguard necromancer: "Sounds like paradise. I hate people."
    Kirniel the Undying, cursed bosmer warrior: "I would feel useless, not being able to fight."
    Echoes-from-Dragons, argonian who thinks she's a dragon: "All the better to count my hoard!"

    (Signature idea shamelessly stolen from Abeille.)
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    Edited by Morthur on May 5, 2014 9:21AM
  • jircris11
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    The worst thing i see people doing is not going to the starter island and instead doing the quests in the main city. Sure you can do that butt he starter island offers lvl 3-7 maybe 9 if your like me and hunt chest and such. i just hit grahtwood and im lvl 24
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