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It takes way too long to do daily crafting writs on consoles (and possibly PC too)
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✭✭✭✭✭With ESO+ my average character has about 30-40 slots in use - so there are more than 100 empty to be used for other stuff. If you have more crap in those slots, you should really try to get rid of stuff and with it I don't mean put it into your bank, but really get rid of stuff you don't need - most of the stuff you get what is not going into your crafting bag can be discarded.1 -
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✭Playing both and Xbox (series x) and a fairly good PC there IS a difference, but yeah, add on related. The quest only function though was a HUGE QOL change for console though. As for ease I use Alinor. If you get the room at the inn, stable trainer just outside for new characters, and no zoning for any crafts/turn ins. Easier if you have a banker.1 -
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✭40 seconds here on pc without addons.
To all who are complaining: nobody is forcing you to do writs every day on 18 or whatever characters.2 -
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✭✭I'm not being forced to play the game but I'd like to be enticed to play it every now and then.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭In my 5-6 minutes is more included than just crafting - it has the following steps included:
1. check what research material I need
2. eventually buy what I need for research purposes
3. eventually train my mounts on characters which still need that
4. Acquiring the writs
5. jump home to do crafting at home
6. complete research if necessary while crafting at that station
7. deliver the items
8. unpack the rewards and sort them out
9. sell what I don't need or discard it
10. jump home and deconstruct, if necessary
This all takes 5-6 minutes per character.
Well, there is eventually an 11th step, because my ladies might want new colors on their costumes or change - that is included as well.Edited by Lysette on April 10, 2022 4:51PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »You can't tell me inventory management isn't a large part of crafting, even with a crafting bag the rewards give you a large amount of junk that would overwhelm anyone who pre-crafts each week. I takes much more time afterwards, even with helpers, to bank and sell everything (and trade the things that give money). Even making one of those things easier would make the whole process better.
Well, I'll put the short answer first: even with the addons (I play on PC) there are times when crafting is too boring for the time invested, so I don't bother. I rarely do daily writs on all of my characters - sometimes none that day, it's a game, so I do what seems fun or what I'm in the mood for.
Crafting bag - yes indeedy, my main account is ESO+ and it makes life much easier (though I remain a packrat and my bank is always full.
Because my other two accounts are NOT ESO+ I have developed my own method for dealing with all the "stuff". In the bank I stock all the basic style stones (and for basic I include all the purple "one book" sets, like primal and so on), and for the non-consumable writs one stack each of: jute/rawhide/maple/iron AND one stack each of: ancestor silk/Rubedo hide/Ash/Rubedite and all of my characters on those accounts don't bother to put ANY points into crafting until they can max it out. Easy peasy.
The consumable writs take a bit more time; for the most part I just do enchanting, 'cause a stack each of the basic runes needed doesn't take up prohibitive room in my bank.
As I am a sort of lazy player, most of my characters have not topped out in their learning, so the rotation I have is:
Head to Rawl'ka
Get the daily writs, then
1-at each station check if I have anything I can learn a trait (sometimes I log off for the day with all the "stuff" from the last dungeon run still in my inventory) and if so, start learning it, then hit the "craft" button on the lovely addon, then watch and admire my character (and possibly contemplate changing the dye job, but that's another post).
2-After blacksmith, clothier and woodworker are done, head to drop them off (goes by the horse trainer so I have another chance to remember if I forgot that day), and listen to the cheeky comments of the loading dude.
3-then run to the consumable writs, in passing get called by the fighter's guild person who wants "a word" (I've only finished that quest on 2 characters so far) I usually chuckle and make a smart remark, kill one or two rats on the way to picking up the quests (if Bastion is with me, he moans about how cruel it is, but I don't actually lose rapport - and I never run out of guts for fishing) do jewelry (very few characters have this maxed, so I first decon any whites in the bank OR if it's one of the max ones, any jewelry waiting for decon), then to the enchanting table (same thing, decon any spares in the bank) and then provisioning and alchemy.
4-Drop the last load off, then to the bank to drop things off. Intricates and any jewelry or glyphs I save so the "next character" can use them to decon and learn; empty soul gems get banked so my one character that fills them all can grab them later; surveys sometimes get dropped into the bank, sometimes not (I'm sloppy, and it's a fun way to explore) and writs get dropped into the bank for later collection. High level intricate items usually get sold in guild traders.
I will say that only a very few of my characters have the "make one - get more" passives on either provisioning or alchemy; it's not worth the annoyance to clutter up my inventory (and like I said I'm already a packrat), so I only have one "provisioner" who makes extra of all the "crafting requests" and so maintains a pile of them in her inventory.
There is basically no inventory management with this approach, it's less stressful and more fun, which is why I do it.
I will say that for my "non ESO+" accounts, every so often I need to "skim off" the extra mats (I only maintain one stack) and I just plop them for sale to guild traders OR mail them to my ESO+ account.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
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But inventory management isn't anything to do with crafting itself. People will pick up a lot of junk just playing the game they need to deal with, that doesn't make dealing with the loot part of the dungeon system, or combat system. Inventory management is a problem the entire game suffers from. It's why they introduced the Stickerbook, as a way to both cut down on the gear grind AND so people could delete large numbers of gear they were hoarding in case it ever became useful.PizzaCat82 wrote: »
My "stop the thing that's causing burnout" remark was specifically mentioned after quoting someone that had said they're getting burnt out. It wasn't directed at you, though the advice still applies. Forcing yourself to do something in a game that's causing that much duress isn't exactly the best thing to do.PizzaCat82 wrote: »
I'm on Stadia this year and thus have no addons. On my phone I can do 7 writs on 18 characters in less than 2 hours.PizzaCat82 wrote: »If they could make PS4 as fast as PC with addons I don't think there'd even be a need for this conversation, but a lot of people have the thought that it takes the same time on all systems with no addons and I don't even know what to respond to those people except have fun and maybe one day others will too.
This also completely ignores everything else I pointed out in my first post. There are places you can go to avoid loadings screens between crafting stations, you can go to Vivec City to avoid the loading screen for the bank. You offer no suggestions for what ZOS could do, only say that it takes too long, when part of your argument (dealing with the stuff you get from the boxes) has nothing to do with with crafting system itself and is instead something you need to do with ANY loot or items you get while playing.
Addons don't take off that much time these days, not since they added quest markers to every crafting station. Each round of writs per character takes me 2-3 minutes to grab them, do them, and turn them in. Even with the addons, you still have to wait for each item to be crafted, so you're not wasting much time doing them manually. Again, I can say this because this year I'm doing 126 writs a day on my phone. The time I would be saving using addons is being saved instead in faster loading screens.
So again I ask, what do you expect ZOS to do?
Having your Hirelings do your writs would completely defeat the purpose of crafting and writs. The Hirelings also lore-wise aren't there to make things for you, none of them travel with you or spend any time with you to do your crafting for you. They exist as a way to get extra mats to you, not do everything for you.TheWoanderer wrote: »On Xbox and I agree wholeheartedly...
I hardly have any time for content due to doing my crafting writs on 9 toons.
It makes me acutely aware as to why the add-on was made for PC.
Maybe a solution could be to have hirelings do it and you have to go to the crafting tables to collect the crafted items, the ability could be added as a Green Tree slotable?
I would go so far as to say it kinda ruins my experience... Some would say 'well stop then' but I would like to be the person who crafts for others and helps new players with their progression... and as someone who was there before... I remember being so overwhelmed by the prices and so grateful for the folk who happily crafted me sets and asked very little in return, if anything at all.
In fact one of my most vivid memories was being in a 4 man dungeon after taking out the final boss and chatting about things and someone left and 5 minutes later returned with a full set for me and asked for nothing in return.
Lately though I've been logging off straight after my daily writs because I'm just so drained by the monotony and endless load screens and as someone who desperately wants to continue building a guild house I need to make lots of gold so I can continue to buy attainable crafting stations because you know... You can't buy them with crowns... So either gold or writs that cost a fortune due to the mats are needed.
It's a nightmare sadly and I desperately hope for a solution.
The simple fact is if you're getting burnt out with an aspect of the game, the best thing is to stop doing that activity for a while. Nothing is forcing you to do maximum writs on maximum characters every day. You can very easily craft things for people without doing writs every day once you get a decent stockpile of items, and if you're doing regular crafting you're more than likely also farming mats at least every once in a while, or at the VERY least picking up mats as you come across them doing other stuff.
Daily writs and Hirelings aren't meant to be your main supply of mats, they're meant to supplement what you get from the world. Same with the surveys. You CAN get a decent number of mats from surveys, writs, and Hirelings, yes. But they aren't meant to sustain you in and of themselves.
Except you know, the anniversary event that's basically rewarding crafting writs for once. But I have quit crafting (and such, the game itself) for months and coming back to it, Its not burnout. Its a system with lots of flaws that there are no easy answers to, and it will probably never get fixed.
What I want is for some of the things that addons give. I wouldn't mind a junk slot that we could customize, nor would I mind being able to walk up to the table and having the daily writs completed. Would it save a ton of time? No, but it would save some tedium. And to say that I want what PC users get being completely handed to me a on a silver platter is the best kind of irony.
And saying "I want what the addons give" isn't offering any suggestions. Addons don't give PC players a junk tab, that's just something console (and Stadia, which I play on) lacks. The writs don't auto-complete when you interact with a station with the Lazy Crafter addon, you still need to wait for everything to be crafted. I honestly don't see what's tedious about taking a few extra seconds to manually select the needed components. And again, I'm on my phone, without the benefit of a controller.
And again, you can't lump inventory management as a problem with with crafting system itself. Not having a junk tab makes deleting trash take time regardless of where that trash comes from. Selling and organizing is something you need to do with 90% of the items you get that don't go into the craft bag (or if you don't have ESO+) and again isn't anything to do with the crafting system itself.
You mentioned that doing the actual crafting only takes you about an hour. It's everything else you seem to be having a problem with, and it sounds like this is more of a "I want stuff PC has" thread than a problem with how crafting itself works. Which I mean, it would be nice if console could get addons, or a junk tab (which I don't get why that's something that's omitted from console/Stadia). But that doesn't mean there's any issue with the crafting system in and of itself.
You can't tell me inventory management isn't a large part of crafting, even with a crafting bag the rewards give you a large amount of junk that would overwhelm anyone who pre-crafts each week. I takes much more time afterwards, even with helpers, to bank and sell everything (and trade the things that give money). Even making one of those things easier would make the whole process better.
And it would be possible for them to make the process of crafting quicker or more automated for multiple characters, The hard part is making it seem worthwhile and no breaking your precious "economy" that's really why most people have a problem with it. Its a house of cards and more players doing it means there's more undercutting and lower prices. The tedium is a barrier to entry, and therefore the system is working as expected.
Also you're basically asking them to give you rewards for doing nothing, with asking for things to be made automatic. And how do you expect them to make doing writs faster aside from making them just happen? You have already said you can do the writs themselves in about an hour. How much faster do you want? And I never once brought up the economy, so I'm not sure why you're phrasing that whole "your precious economy" thing like it's some gotcha. You're bringing up something I never mentioned or alluded to to prop up your argument. But since YOU brought it up, getting automatic gold from automatic writs would impact the game economy and there'd be no getting around that.
You also claim that most people have a problem with doing writs because of the tedium, except...most people here so far have disagreed with you. I don't see people in-game complaining about it or in any of my Discord servers, nor have I really in 8 years. I also haven't really seen it mentioned here on the forums. Where are all these players that you're speaking on behalf of? If this tedium really was such a huge 'barrier to entry', then one would expect more people to bring it up more frequently. As it is, most of what I see people complain about in regards to crafting is things like Motifs being character-specific and how annoying researching Traits is.
Can people find them tedious? Of course they can, because that's a subjective thing. But it doesn't mean there's a problem with the system, it just means you don't like the system for one reason or another. It's just like any other activity in the game, from Antiquities to stealing to PvP to dungeons to raids and everything in-between. Some people will find any given thing boring and tedious and others will find it fun and engaging.
The system IS working as intended; it not being exactly what you'd prefer doesn't change that. Most people don't do a bunch of writs every day on numerous characters simply because they have other things they would rather do. Or maybe they simply don't bother with crafting.
Tl;dr the system is working fine, if anyone finds any given system or activity tedious it doesn't automatically mean that system or activity has some inherent issue that needs fixing. It means that you don't find that particular activity engaging, fun, or otherwise worth your time. Which is fine, because there are plenty of other things to do.Edited by Arunei on April 10, 2022 6:03PMPC-NA | Been around since closed beta
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✭✭Well I tried to avoid all the PC/Stadia Players with 0 second load screens and/or automatic filters and addons coming into this thread and telling me how to play, but since it seems you guys have time to do all your crafting and browse the forums it seems to be no way around it.
Perhaps they can make a time based work around to help crafting for those of us with long loading times. Perhaps they can make the process less button intensive for those of us without addons and keyboards.
Perhaps they can balance the reward to protect what little amount of control you PC users have over your botting and inflation problem, problems that do not apply to most of the console population.
Again, just trying to offer solutions that aren't "Stop Playing" and "Get good, here's how to craft" since I've tried both of those things and it didn't make things better.
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✭✭I'm on a PC and don't use addons. I set up a crafting area in one of my houses complete with a banker and merchant. It doesn't take me much time to finish the crafting dailies as when I finish one it is a step or two to the next station. Even porting in and out of the house takes less time than walking between stations in many of the city crafting areas. The key is to look for areas where everything is close together or to build that area yourself.
Edit: Another advantage is there are no flappy wings or fat bears blocking my view.Edited by Alinhbo_Tyaka on April 10, 2022 6:23PM0 -
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✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »Well I tried to avoid all the PC/Stadia Players with 0 second load screens and/or automatic filters and addons coming into this thread and telling me how to play, but since it seems you guys have time to do all your crafting and browse the forums it seems to be no way around it.
Perhaps they can make a time based work around to help crafting for those of us with long loading times. Perhaps they can make the process less button intensive for those of us without addons and keyboards.
Perhaps they can balance the reward to protect what little amount of control you PC users have over your botting and inflation problem, problems that do not apply to most of the console population.
Again, just trying to offer solutions that aren't "Stop Playing" and "Get good, here's how to craft" since I've tried both of those things and it didn't make things better.
Quite a few of us who also play console have given you locations that require little to no load screens. I do 14 characters on Xbox daily in Alinor. No loadscreen. Is it as fast as PC? Nope, but the quest only option ESO gave us awhile back helps ENORMOUSLY. Don't know what else you want. And botting not applying to most console population? TONS more on Xbox na than I've EVER seen on PC but /shrug ok.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »Well I tried to avoid all the PC/Stadia Players with 0 second load screens and/or automatic filters and addons coming into this thread and telling me how to play, but since it seems you guys have time to do all your crafting and browse the forums it seems to be no way around it.
Perhaps they can make a time based work around to help crafting for those of us with long loading times. Perhaps they can make the process less button intensive for those of us without addons and keyboards.
Perhaps they can balance the reward to protect what little amount of control you PC users have over your botting and inflation problem, problems that do not apply to most of the console population.
Again, just trying to offer solutions that aren't "Stop Playing" and "Get good, here's how to craft" since I've tried both of those things and it didn't make things better.
But you are trying to offer solutions to problems you are making up yourself.
Also on Xbox, and it takes nowhere near 5 hours to do writs in 18 characters. An hour to an hour and a half tops, which includes selling off junk and depositing things into the bank.
If it is taking 2+ hours, you are doing something severely wrong. If it is taking 5 hours, I don't believe you are only doing crafting writs and clearing inventory.0 -
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✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »Well I tried to avoid all the PC/Stadia Players with 0 second load screens and/or automatic filters and addons coming into this thread and telling me how to play, but since it seems you guys have time to do all your crafting and browse the forums it seems to be no way around it.
Perhaps they can make a time based work around to help crafting for those of us with long loading times. Perhaps they can make the process less button intensive for those of us without addons and keyboards.
Perhaps they can balance the reward to protect what little amount of control you PC users have over your botting and inflation problem, problems that do not apply to most of the console population.
Again, just trying to offer solutions that aren't "Stop Playing" and "Get good, here's how to craft" since I've tried both of those things and it didn't make things better.
Quite a few of us who also play console have given you locations that require little to no load screens. I do 14 characters on Xbox daily in Alinor. No loadscreen. Is it as fast as PC? Nope, but the quest only option ESO gave us awhile back helps ENORMOUSLY. Don't know what else you want. And botting not applying to most console population? TONS more on Xbox na than I've EVER seen on PC but /shrug ok.
Leyawin is faster for craft board to turn in. Still takes time to load the char and exit the char. I have banker and Merchant and no need for horse or trait training. Do you at least accept that doing it on 18 characters would be time consuming above and beyond what PC players face?0 -
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✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Well I tried to avoid all the PC/Stadia Players with 0 second load screens and/or automatic filters and addons coming into this thread and telling me how to play, but since it seems you guys have time to do all your crafting and browse the forums it seems to be no way around it.
Perhaps they can make a time based work around to help crafting for those of us with long loading times. Perhaps they can make the process less button intensive for those of us without addons and keyboards.
Perhaps they can balance the reward to protect what little amount of control you PC users have over your botting and inflation problem, problems that do not apply to most of the console population.
Again, just trying to offer solutions that aren't "Stop Playing" and "Get good, here's how to craft" since I've tried both of those things and it didn't make things better.
Quite a few of us who also play console have given you locations that require little to no load screens. I do 14 characters on Xbox daily in Alinor. No loadscreen. Is it as fast as PC? Nope, but the quest only option ESO gave us awhile back helps ENORMOUSLY. Don't know what else you want. And botting not applying to most console population? TONS more on Xbox na than I've EVER seen on PC but /shrug ok.
Leyawin is faster for craft board to turn in. Still takes time to load the char and exit the char. I have banker and Merchant and no need for horse or trait training. Do you at least accept that doing it on 18 characters would be time consuming above and beyond what PC players face?
I'm not sure if there is a language barrier here, I'm NOT being insulting when I ask if English is your first language. Every time I posted(including what you quoted) I've stated PC is faster. Console does not have add ons. That and your own connection/hardware make a difference. If you're having a hard time swapping characters and others on console are not....dunno what to tell you.0 -
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✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Well I tried to avoid all the PC/Stadia Players with 0 second load screens and/or automatic filters and addons coming into this thread and telling me how to play, but since it seems you guys have time to do all your crafting and browse the forums it seems to be no way around it.
Perhaps they can make a time based work around to help crafting for those of us with long loading times. Perhaps they can make the process less button intensive for those of us without addons and keyboards.
Perhaps they can balance the reward to protect what little amount of control you PC users have over your botting and inflation problem, problems that do not apply to most of the console population.
Again, just trying to offer solutions that aren't "Stop Playing" and "Get good, here's how to craft" since I've tried both of those things and it didn't make things better.
Quite a few of us who also play console have given you locations that require little to no load screens. I do 14 characters on Xbox daily in Alinor. No loadscreen. Is it as fast as PC? Nope, but the quest only option ESO gave us awhile back helps ENORMOUSLY. Don't know what else you want. And botting not applying to most console population? TONS more on Xbox na than I've EVER seen on PC but /shrug ok.
Leyawin is faster for craft board to turn in. Still takes time to load the char and exit the char. I have banker and Merchant and no need for horse or trait training. Do you at least accept that doing it on 18 characters would be time consuming above and beyond what PC players face?
I'm not sure if there is a language barrier here, I'm NOT being insulting when I ask if English is your first language. Every time I posted(including what you quoted) I've stated PC is faster. Console does not have add ons. That and your own connection/hardware make a difference. If you're having a hard time swapping characters and others on console are not....dunno what to tell you.
Its not a hard time, just a long time. And to respond to your question of if I speak english, thats fair, I do. The problem is that I have to ignore large parts of your post that have nothing to do with my point, and since there's little else of value in it, I don't know what to tell you, so I just write my response based on that.0 -
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✭✭Like, here's the short version for anyone, I'll just refer to this:
Crafting on console is time consuming and repetitive with very little options to speed up.
From crafting, inventory management, guild trader listing, and selling, there's just a lot of stuff that could be shortened or automated even within the console's code, clunky as it is.
The fact that its such a different experience on PC leads me to believe the devs could make it better, maybe not as great as PC, but definitely improve it.
Regardless of most people's opinions on the subject, there's a lot of crafters who craft on 18+ characters each day, even on console, and any change to make the process faster or more automated would help out a large population and improve the games QOL.
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✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Well I tried to avoid all the PC/Stadia Players with 0 second load screens and/or automatic filters and addons coming into this thread and telling me how to play, but since it seems you guys have time to do all your crafting and browse the forums it seems to be no way around it.
Perhaps they can make a time based work around to help crafting for those of us with long loading times. Perhaps they can make the process less button intensive for those of us without addons and keyboards.
Perhaps they can balance the reward to protect what little amount of control you PC users have over your botting and inflation problem, problems that do not apply to most of the console population.
Again, just trying to offer solutions that aren't "Stop Playing" and "Get good, here's how to craft" since I've tried both of those things and it didn't make things better.
Quite a few of us who also play console have given you locations that require little to no load screens. I do 14 characters on Xbox daily in Alinor. No loadscreen. Is it as fast as PC? Nope, but the quest only option ESO gave us awhile back helps ENORMOUSLY. Don't know what else you want. And botting not applying to most console population? TONS more on Xbox na than I've EVER seen on PC but /shrug ok.
Leyawin is faster for craft board to turn in. Still takes time to load the char and exit the char. I have banker and Merchant and no need for horse or trait training. Do you at least accept that doing it on 18 characters would be time consuming above and beyond what PC players face?
I'm not sure if there is a language barrier here, I'm NOT being insulting when I ask if English is your first language. Every time I posted(including what you quoted) I've stated PC is faster. Console does not have add ons. That and your own connection/hardware make a difference. If you're having a hard time swapping characters and others on console are not....dunno what to tell you.
Its not a hard time, just a long time. And to respond to your question of if I speak english, thats fair, I do. The problem is that I have to ignore large parts of your post that have nothing to do with my point, and since there's little else of value in it, I don't know what to tell you, so I just write my response based on that.
Actually I asked if it's your first language. Many of my friends have native languages that are not English but speak it as a common thread in diverse groups, but misunderstandings happen. Your post regarded loading times between buildings etc. I, and others, have given you loadless areas to craft. That....has to do with your post. Again, not sure what you want of us, or ZOS, if you're having a hard time with long loading screens regarding crafting that isn't always universal on consoles.0 -
LordRukia✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »Like, here's the short version for anyone, I'll just refer to this:
Crafting on console is time consuming and repetitive with very little options to speed up.
From crafting, inventory management, guild trader listing, and selling, there's just a lot of stuff that could be shortened or automated even within the console's code, clunky as it is.
The fact that its such a different experience on PC leads me to believe the devs could make it better, maybe not as great as PC, but definitely improve it.
Regardless of most people's opinions on the subject, there's a lot of crafters who craft on 18+ characters each day, even on console, and any change to make the process faster or more automated would help out a large population and improve the games QOL.
I have done my writs in solitude since it came out everything is a few feet away and I get them done in 2 minutes regardless of console or PC. I would not recommend it on old console because there is 2 building you have to enter but they are instant loads on PC/PS5. Make sure yo have "quest only" option enabled on your crafting and it replicates lazywrit addon without the auto crafting which is honestly like a few seconds difference . I don't see how it could possibly be any faster without having the quests literally auto complete themselves .
I feel like this is just a case of people torturing themselves doin writs on 9000 alts. Just do it on your main and stop worrying about it or accept that you're going to an extreme.0 -
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✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »PizzaCat82 wrote: »Well I tried to avoid all the PC/Stadia Players with 0 second load screens and/or automatic filters and addons coming into this thread and telling me how to play, but since it seems you guys have time to do all your crafting and browse the forums it seems to be no way around it.
Perhaps they can make a time based work around to help crafting for those of us with long loading times. Perhaps they can make the process less button intensive for those of us without addons and keyboards.
Perhaps they can balance the reward to protect what little amount of control you PC users have over your botting and inflation problem, problems that do not apply to most of the console population.
Again, just trying to offer solutions that aren't "Stop Playing" and "Get good, here's how to craft" since I've tried both of those things and it didn't make things better.
Quite a few of us who also play console have given you locations that require little to no load screens. I do 14 characters on Xbox daily in Alinor. No loadscreen. Is it as fast as PC? Nope, but the quest only option ESO gave us awhile back helps ENORMOUSLY. Don't know what else you want. And botting not applying to most console population? TONS more on Xbox na than I've EVER seen on PC but /shrug ok.
Leyawin is faster for craft board to turn in. Still takes time to load the char and exit the char. I have banker and Merchant and no need for horse or trait training. Do you at least accept that doing it on 18 characters would be time consuming above and beyond what PC players face?
I'm not sure if there is a language barrier here, I'm NOT being insulting when I ask if English is your first language. Every time I posted(including what you quoted) I've stated PC is faster. Console does not have add ons. That and your own connection/hardware make a difference. If you're having a hard time swapping characters and others on console are not....dunno what to tell you.
Its not a hard time, just a long time. And to respond to your question of if I speak english, thats fair, I do. The problem is that I have to ignore large parts of your post that have nothing to do with my point, and since there's little else of value in it, I don't know what to tell you, so I just write my response based on that.
Actually I asked if it's your first language. Many of my friends have native languages that are not English but speak it as a common thread in diverse groups, but misunderstandings happen. Your post regarded loading times between buildings etc. I, and others, have given you loadless areas to craft. That....has to do with your post. Again, not sure what you want of us, or ZOS, if you're having a hard time with long loading screens regarding crafting that isn't always universal on consoles.
I have accepted the 90 minutes it takes me to load, grab the quests, turn in the quests, and exit the screen. Crafting in Alinor, or Rwakhla, or Vivec, wouldn't really help with that portion of the process. There might be some debate as to less populated areas being faster to load, but I haven't really noticed any quicker loading, since I'm pretty sure the slowness is on my end.
I was hoping for something to help with cleaning up the rewards, selling the mats (and writs) on guild traders (which also involves pricing them correctly), and crafting the items, and possibly reducing the % amount of my inventory that is dedicated to the process.
1. Getting rid of junk items quickly (Junk tab for consoles?, or tagging for junk items to quick sell/trash? That'd be great, and help, if only a little)
2. Depositing items in bank takes time, even with the banker right next to you. I have to scroll down my inventory, pick out what I want to save, and put it in my inventory. God forbid people don't have a craft bag, because that would double or triple the time.
3. Selling items, after banking and trashing, also takes time. Have to make sure my pricing is conducive to selling fast, as mats can go quick but the market is fickle.
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✭✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »2. Depositing items in bank takes time, even with the banker right next to you. I have to scroll down my inventory, pick out what I want to save, and put it in my inventory. God forbid people don't have a craft bag, because that would double or triple the time.
Yeah, I don't have craft bag. That's why I don't bother looting the Provisioning bag. I just look in it, and take out the purple mats if they're there. Then toss the bag into Junk to delete later.
I'd guess that mouse is a bit quicker for fiddling with inventory than a controller. But it shouldn't be that much longer.
But even without craft bag, my crafting alts, once they're done with writs for the day, have like 70-90/140-180 bag space. And my bank is currently at 190/240. The anniversary is pushing those higher than usual, due to the extra material & motif drops. When the next ESO+ Free Week happens, those will drop down to ~40/140-180 and maybe 70/240? Then I'll do all my surveys, refine everything, and restock a couple thousand more Molybdenum for writ crafting.
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Of course, you also mentioned listing stuff in guild shops, so that's an additional step that I'm not doing at all. That's not part of crafting & doing writs, that's trading. Still not sure why it's taking you several hours longer than other console players.0 -
RBAP28✭✭✭To be fair there have been some quality of life improvements that speed up crafting on console. One being the addition of icons above the item needed to be crafted. Before this you either had to memorize them or go back-and-forth to your dailies so you didn't make the wrong one.0 -
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✭✭I've already spent too much time crafting today to do the "quest only" option next week, but I will try it and see if its fast enough to replace the pre-crafting inventory strategy and possibly make things load faster.0 -
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✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »Between load screens (exiting and entering buildings, banks, character screens, etc) and crafting, selling, deleting, and shuffling, I'm spending 5-6 hours a day on it. Thats in addition to the 10+ hours I spend on my crafting day just so I can "quickly" turn in all my dailies.
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juist how many characters do you have? 5-6 hours?, I"m on Xbox & have 4 I'm crafting on now because of the event, It takes me maybe 10 minutes on the 4, if that.
Normally I just craft on 1 tho, like others mentioned Alinor & Vivec are my go to spots
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✭✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »Add-ons aside, the crafting portion should be a system to support the other game-play aspects, like PVP or PVE questing. Instead, trying to keep up with enough money to afford worthwhile items as they come out requires way too much time crafting, organizing, deleting, selling junk that's worth 0 gold, and making space for enough equipment to severely hamper even the highest level characters with fully unlocked bags.
Between load screens (exiting and entering buildings, banks, character screens, etc) and crafting, selling, deleting, and shuffling, I'm spending 5-6 hours a day on it. Thats in addition to the 10+ hours I spend on my crafting day just so I can "quickly" turn in all my dailies.
Let us leave the crafting bench ZOS. Free us from this pointless toil.
OP, how many characters do you do writs on that you have to spend 5-6 hours? That seems a lot. I don't usually do them on all my alts, but I've done so for the event, and for 15 characters, along with the banking/selling it took em around an hour. Regardless, given how much gold writs can earn a player, it makes sense that they should take some time/effort. The only thing I'd say takes a lot of time is surveys, but again it depends on much gain someone wants to get from crafting versus doing other activities in the game. I wouldn't say it's unbalanced.0 -
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✭Why are you doing writs on so many characters every day? Nobody is making you do that... go do something else in the game. There's so much other content that is far more fun than doing crafting writs, I don't understand why you spend you whole day diddling around at crafting stations.0 -
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✭✭Why are you doing writs on so many characters every day? Nobody is making you do that... go do something else in the game. There's so much other content that is far more fun than doing crafting writs, I don't understand why you spend you whole day diddling around at crafting stations.
Its the fastest way, currently to get 7 daily quests finished and 7 anniversary rewards.. multiply it by 18 and you have 126 writ rewards and 126 anniversary rewards.
I totally agree that there's other content that's funner and I'd love to be doing that. (and honestly, I have had a break from crafting from the last 4 months anyway since it was taking up so much of my time)
Maybe give us an option to complete our daily writs on multiple characters at a time, or have them work on them offline (and sell the junk and deposit tagged items automatically to a banker or mechant). Stuff that would be easy to do with an add-on (and already has been done) but has not graced the console players yet.0 -
festegios✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »Well I tried to avoid all the PC/Stadia Players with 0 second load screens and/or automatic filters and addons coming into this thread and telling me how to play, but since it seems you guys have time to do all your crafting and browse the forums it seems to be no way around it.
You know you can filter on console for quest only right? Then all you do is smash square to make what you need or whatever.
I’m on console. I do 18 toons. Bank the additional items/sell junk in sub 2 hours.
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