It takes way too long to do daily crafting writs on consoles (and possibly PC too)

PizzaCat82 · April 2022

Add-ons aside, the crafting portion should be a system to support the other game-play aspects, like PVP or PVE questing. Instead, trying to keep up with enough money to afford worthwhile items as they come out requires way too much time crafting, organizing, deleting, selling junk that's worth 0 gold, and making space for enough equipment to severely hamper even the highest level characters with fully unlocked bags.

Between load screens (exiting and entering buildings, banks, character screens, etc) and crafting, selling, deleting, and shuffling, I'm spending 5-6 hours a day on it. Thats in addition to the 10+ hours I spend on my crafting day just so I can "quickly" turn in all my dailies.

Let us leave the crafting bench ZOS. Free us from this pointless toil.

Kiralyn2000 · April 2022

Hmm. Doing writs on my characters takes about 6 minutes each, without addons.

There's one load screen (switching characters). And deleting/selling takes seconds: right click item -> send to junk, when they're all there I talk to a merchant and click Sell All Junk, then I go to the Junk tab in Inventory and click "Delete Junk" to get rid of anything that wouldn't sell. I only visit the bank when a character's inventory starts to get full, to drop off alchemy & rune mats, and surveys. I don't bother keeping Provisioning stuff aside from the purple mats, there's plenty in my craft bag.

No shuffling, almost no organizing, no problems with bag or bank space. No pre-crafting (now that the crafting benches have the check box to just show quest-related recipes, the actual crafting takes a couple seconds).

? /confused

(also, pick a better crafting location. Like Vivec city, where the bank isn't inside a building, and is right inside the circle of crafting benches.)

edit: that said, consoles don't have the whole Junk tab thing, so it's obviously harder there. Especially if you want to delete things that take typing DESTROY.

LostHorizon1933 · April 2022

I can’t even.

Arunei · April 2022

I'm not exactly sure what you expect them to change. There are areas where you don't have to enter and exit buildings; if that's a concern why not go to the crafting spots where you don't need to do that? Leyawiin is probably the best spot for crafting and the bank isn't far away, Alinor had a convenient craft area, Vivec City has everything nearby AND the bank is also outside.

How do you expect them to implement crafting without crafting, which is sort of what the last bit sounds like? Selling and deleting things has nothing really to do with crafting itself, what are they supposed to do about that? You'd have to shuffle, sell, and delete things regardless, as you do that with every item in the game (or use them too, I guess).

So what do you expect them to do? It would take me about 2-3 hours to do 7 writs on 16 characters last year, even with addons, and most of that time was spent on loading screens between characters. Doing 7 writs on 18 characters this year only takes me about an hour and a half because the loading screens are faster (forgot to mention I'm playing on my phone via Stadia this year since I don't have access to my computer right now).

Dealing with everything after the actual crafting takes longer, yes, but that's just part of the game and isn't part of the crafting system itself.

Foxtrot39 · April 2022

Like said do all your writs in Vivec city, all station/bank are outside and basicaly within 20m of each other

Frogmother · April 2022

I dont use addons and the longest part is running from table to table and finally to hand them over.
It takes only a few minutes to do finish it.

tmbrinks · April 2022

Is this another "buff the already best way to make gold/materials/etc" thread now?

I did a LOT of writs... but that was always my choice, because they have such a good return and any time I spent on them were well worth it.

PizzaCat82 · April 2022

If they could make PS4 as fast as PC with addons I don't think there'd even be a need for this conversation, but a lot of people have the thought that it takes the same time on all systems with no addons and I don't even know what to respond to those people except have fun and maybe one day others will too.

tmbrinks · April 2022

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

If they could make PS4 as fast as PC with addons I don't think there'd even be a need for this conversation, but a lot of people have the thought that it takes the same time on all systems with no addons and I don't even know what to respond to those people except have fun and maybe one day others will too.

1. You literally mention PC in your OP.
2. The economies (and thus value you get from writs) take that into account.

Nestor · April 2022

Give me everything so I don't have to play the game?

TheWoanderer · April 2022

On Xbox and I agree wholeheartedly...

I hardly have any time for content due to doing my crafting writs on 9 toons.
It makes me acutely aware as to why the add-on was made for PC.

Maybe a solution could be to have hirelings do it and you have to go to the crafting tables to collect the crafted items, the ability could be added as a Green Tree slotable?

I would go so far as to say it kinda ruins my experience... Some would say 'well stop then' but I would like to be the person who crafts for others and helps new players with their progression... and as someone who was there before... I remember being so overwhelmed by the prices and so grateful for the folk who happily crafted me sets and asked very little in return, if anything at all.

In fact one of my most vivid memories was being in a 4 man dungeon after taking out the final boss and chatting about things and someone left and 5 minutes later returned with a full set for me and asked for nothing in return.

Lately though I've been logging off straight after my daily writs because I'm just so drained by the monotony and endless load screens and as someone who desperately wants to continue building a guild house I need to make lots of gold so I can continue to buy attainable crafting stations because you know... You can't buy them with crowns... So either gold or writs that cost a fortune due to the mats are needed.

It's a nightmare sadly and I desperately hope for a solution.

PizzaCat82 · April 2022

As an example, without opening a single writ reward or going to any other options, it takes me at least an hour to turn in all my writs. Loading to character, clicking on writ dailies, going over to drop off clicking each box, exiting character. Averages 3 - 5 minutes. now multiiply that by 18 and you get 54 min to 90 mins

I mentioned PCs because 1. Not everyone has addons, and likes to compare Addon vs Non-addon users, and 2. Not everyone has a good PC and it can still take time loading.

[snip]
[edited for baiting]

Arunei · April 2022

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

If they could make PS4 as fast as PC with addons I don't think there'd even be a need for this conversation, but a lot of people have the thought that it takes the same time on all systems with no addons and I don't even know what to respond to those people except have fun and maybe one day others will too.

I'm on Stadia this year and thus have no addons. On my phone I can do 7 writs on 18 characters in less than 2 hours.

This also completely ignores everything else I pointed out in my first post. There are places you can go to avoid loadings screens between crafting stations, you can go to Vivec City to avoid the loading screen for the bank. You offer no suggestions for what ZOS could do, only say that it takes too long, when part of your argument (dealing with the stuff you get from the boxes) has nothing to do with with crafting system itself and is instead something you need to do with ANY loot or items you get while playing.

Addons don't take off that much time these days, not since they added quest markers to every crafting station. Each round of writs per character takes me 2-3 minutes to grab them, do them, and turn them in. Even with the addons, you still have to wait for each item to be crafted, so you're not wasting much time doing them manually. Again, I can say this because this year I'm doing 126 writs a day on my phone. The time I would be saving using addons is being saved instead in faster loading screens.

So again I ask, what do you expect ZOS to do?

TheWoanderer wrote: »

On Xbox and I agree wholeheartedly...

I hardly have any time for content due to doing my crafting writs on 9 toons.
It makes me acutely aware as to why the add-on was made for PC.

Maybe a solution could be to have hirelings do it and you have to go to the crafting tables to collect the crafted items, the ability could be added as a Green Tree slotable?

I would go so far as to say it kinda ruins my experience... Some would say 'well stop then' but I would like to be the person who crafts for others and helps new players with their progression... and as someone who was there before... I remember being so overwhelmed by the prices and so grateful for the folk who happily crafted me sets and asked very little in return, if anything at all.

In fact one of my most vivid memories was being in a 4 man dungeon after taking out the final boss and chatting about things and someone left and 5 minutes later returned with a full set for me and asked for nothing in return.

Lately though I've been logging off straight after my daily writs because I'm just so drained by the monotony and endless load screens and as someone who desperately wants to continue building a guild house I need to make lots of gold so I can continue to buy attainable crafting stations because you know... You can't buy them with crowns... So either gold or writs that cost a fortune due to the mats are needed.

It's a nightmare sadly and I desperately hope for a solution.

Having your Hirelings do your writs would completely defeat the purpose of crafting and writs. The Hirelings also lore-wise aren't there to make things for you, none of them travel with you or spend any time with you to do your crafting for you. They exist as a way to get extra mats to you, not do everything for you.

The simple fact is if you're getting burnt out with an aspect of the game, the best thing is to stop doing that activity for a while. Nothing is forcing you to do maximum writs on maximum characters every day. You can very easily craft things for people without doing writs every day once you get a decent stockpile of items, and if you're doing regular crafting you're more than likely also farming mats at least every once in a while, or at the VERY least picking up mats as you come across them doing other stuff.

Daily writs and Hirelings aren't meant to be your main supply of mats, they're meant to supplement what you get from the world. Same with the surveys. You CAN get a decent number of mats from surveys, writs, and Hirelings, yes. But they aren't meant to sustain you in and of themselves.

ArchMikem · April 2022

Are you doing some incredibly unnecessary steps to make your crafting writs take five hours? Takes me, if I'm being lazy, ten minutes tops on one character, and I'm on console.

Kiralyn2000 · April 2022

Kiralyn2000 wrote:

No shuffling, almost no organizing, no problems with bag or bank space. No pre-crafting (now that the crafting benches have the check box to just show quest-related recipes, the actual crafting takes a couple seconds).

Okay, I'm completely wrong. Apparently one of the three non-crafting addons I have, actually adds those checkboxes to the crafting bench interface. How odd. I'd honestly thought they'd added that as an obvious QoL thing years ago.

(They're handy - they're Have Knowledge / Have Items / Quests Only. Check one of them, and it removes any of the crafting recipes that don't fit that definition. With Quest Only checked, when you walk up to the bench, all it shows is the recipe for the active quest. But it's not Lazy Writ Crafter, I don't have that. Harvest Map, maybe?)

Sarannah · April 2022

PC, No add-ons... crafting is fine. It takes a time and resource investment to get returns. Same as any other part of the game. Takes me less than 5 minutes per character.

If you do not have the time or motivation to do the crafting dailies, just don't do them. If you don't have the time or motivation to do something else in-game, just don't do it.

I use no add-ons, as it is faster than with add-ons. I can take care of all the stuff I get immediately, as it is in the top of the inventory. I can destroy or use the recipe from provisioning. I can see master writs, and store them for my main crafter. I can see when I get a chromium plating. And I sell/decon everything once a character's inventory is full, or when I am going to play that character. Add-ons mess all of that up, which means it takes longer to fix the inventory when you use add-ons(not to mention having to download and update the add-ons every time there's an update).

The only daily crafting things I really keep in my inventories on all my characters are the provisioning and alchemy turn-ins. (which takes about 40-50 slots) (granted I do always have inventory issues, but that is not due to crafting)

PS: Loadscreens take me 5 seconds in total (a 2 sec "requesting character load" and 3 sec load screen).
PPS: I store master writs, and surveys in the bank.

phileunderx2 · April 2022

For me wtits on PC are fine.
For PS4 I've already given up this morning. Got them done on one character and on second I can't stay in the game long enough to do them as I'm getting kicked offline constantly.
So I'm done.

TheWoanderer · April 2022

As I said... Someone will say stop lol

I digress....

I have writs and 'unusually long' load screens to contend with

Oh.... Have you seen the price of mats for lower level players?

Anyhoo

PizzaCat82 · April 2022

Arunei wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

If they could make PS4 as fast as PC with addons I don't think there'd even be a need for this conversation, but a lot of people have the thought that it takes the same time on all systems with no addons and I don't even know what to respond to those people except have fun and maybe one day others will too.

I'm on Stadia this year and thus have no addons. On my phone I can do 7 writs on 18 characters in less than 2 hours.

This also completely ignores everything else I pointed out in my first post. There are places you can go to avoid loadings screens between crafting stations, you can go to Vivec City to avoid the loading screen for the bank. You offer no suggestions for what ZOS could do, only say that it takes too long, when part of your argument (dealing with the stuff you get from the boxes) has nothing to do with with crafting system itself and is instead something you need to do with ANY loot or items you get while playing.

Addons don't take off that much time these days, not since they added quest markers to every crafting station. Each round of writs per character takes me 2-3 minutes to grab them, do them, and turn them in. Even with the addons, you still have to wait for each item to be crafted, so you're not wasting much time doing them manually. Again, I can say this because this year I'm doing 126 writs a day on my phone. The time I would be saving using addons is being saved instead in faster loading screens.

So again I ask, what do you expect ZOS to do?

TheWoanderer wrote: »

On Xbox and I agree wholeheartedly...

I hardly have any time for content due to doing my crafting writs on 9 toons.
It makes me acutely aware as to why the add-on was made for PC.

Maybe a solution could be to have hirelings do it and you have to go to the crafting tables to collect the crafted items, the ability could be added as a Green Tree slotable?

I would go so far as to say it kinda ruins my experience... Some would say 'well stop then' but I would like to be the person who crafts for others and helps new players with their progression... and as someone who was there before... I remember being so overwhelmed by the prices and so grateful for the folk who happily crafted me sets and asked very little in return, if anything at all.

In fact one of my most vivid memories was being in a 4 man dungeon after taking out the final boss and chatting about things and someone left and 5 minutes later returned with a full set for me and asked for nothing in return.

Lately though I've been logging off straight after my daily writs because I'm just so drained by the monotony and endless load screens and as someone who desperately wants to continue building a guild house I need to make lots of gold so I can continue to buy attainable crafting stations because you know... You can't buy them with crowns... So either gold or writs that cost a fortune due to the mats are needed.

It's a nightmare sadly and I desperately hope for a solution.

Having your Hirelings do your writs would completely defeat the purpose of crafting and writs. The Hirelings also lore-wise aren't there to make things for you, none of them travel with you or spend any time with you to do your crafting for you. They exist as a way to get extra mats to you, not do everything for you.

The simple fact is if you're getting burnt out with an aspect of the game, the best thing is to stop doing that activity for a while. Nothing is forcing you to do maximum writs on maximum characters every day. You can very easily craft things for people without doing writs every day once you get a decent stockpile of items, and if you're doing regular crafting you're more than likely also farming mats at least every once in a while, or at the VERY least picking up mats as you come across them doing other stuff.

Daily writs and Hirelings aren't meant to be your main supply of mats, they're meant to supplement what you get from the world. Same with the surveys. You CAN get a decent number of mats from surveys, writs, and Hirelings, yes. But they aren't meant to sustain you in and of themselves.

Except you know, the anniversary event that's basically rewarding crafting writs for once. But I have quit crafting (and such, the game itself) for months and coming back to it, Its not burnout. Its a system with lots of flaws that there are no easy answers to, and it will probably never get fixed.

What I want is for some of the things that addons give. I wouldn't mind a junk slot that we could customize, nor would I mind being able to walk up to the table and having the daily writs completed. Would it save a ton of time? No, but it would save some tedium. And to say that I want what PC users get being completely handed to me a on a silver platter is the best kind of irony.

Arunei · April 2022

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

No shuffling, almost no organizing, no problems with bag or bank space. No pre-crafting (now that the crafting benches have the check box to just show quest-related recipes, the actual crafting takes a couple seconds).

Okay, I'm completely wrong. Apparently one of the three non-crafting addons I have, actually adds those checkboxes to the crafting bench interface. How odd. I'd honestly thought they'd added that as an obvious QoL thing years ago.

(They're handy - they're Have Knowledge / Have Items / Quests Only. Check one of them, and it removes any of the crafting recipes that don't fit that definition. With Quest Only checked, when you walk up to the bench, all it shows is the recipe for the active quest. But it's not Lazy Writ Crafter, I don't have that. Harvest Map, maybe?)

No, it's base game now. They added it a year or two ago, quest markers now show up on the crafting interface to show you exactly what you need to complete the writ. It does this for Master Writs too.

Sarannah · April 2022

Arunei wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

No shuffling, almost no organizing, no problems with bag or bank space. No pre-crafting (now that the crafting benches have the check box to just show quest-related recipes, the actual crafting takes a couple seconds).

Okay, I'm completely wrong. Apparently one of the three non-crafting addons I have, actually adds those checkboxes to the crafting bench interface. How odd. I'd honestly thought they'd added that as an obvious QoL thing years ago.

(They're handy - they're Have Knowledge / Have Items / Quests Only. Check one of them, and it removes any of the crafting recipes that don't fit that definition. With Quest Only checked, when you walk up to the bench, all it shows is the recipe for the active quest. But it's not Lazy Writ Crafter, I don't have that. Harvest Map, maybe?)

No, it's base game now. They added it a year or two ago, quest markers now show up on the crafting interface to show you exactly what you need to complete the writ. It does this for Master Writs too.

Was about to reply the same. All that stuff is base game.

Kiralyn2000 · April 2022

Arunei wrote: »

No, it's base game now. They added it a year or two ago, quest markers now show up on the crafting interface to show you exactly what you need to complete the writ. It does this for Master Writs too.

That's strange. I turned off my addons and reloaded UI, and they disappeared.

edit: and this time they didn't.. Ok, never mind. I'm just having a really confusing morning.

Lysette · April 2022

From my experience it takes about 90 minutes to do writs on 18 characters - well, I have just 16, but it would take me about 90 minutes on 18. I don't like crafting on all though, I most of the time do just 4-6 and that is then 20-30 minutes - gets me like 15k gold plus eventually one or the other gold material, which can double that eventually. Lets say you would make 20k gold a day by doing less writs - is 600k per month not good enough?

PizzaCat82 · April 2022

Lysette wrote: »

From my experience it takes about 90 minutes to do writs on 18 characters - well, I have just 16, but it would take me about 90 minutes on 18. I don't like crafting on all though, I most of the time do just 4-6 and that is then 20-30 minutes - gets me like 15k gold plus eventually one or the other gold material, which can double that eventually. Lets say you would make 20k gold a day by doing less writs - is 600k per month not good enough?

Between the arms packs, crown crates, houses, houseguests, and events, and the prevailing crown to gold ratio of 150g on PS4 (sometimes 200g if its really dry) I would probably be ok with around 2M a month.

Arunei · April 2022

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

If they could make PS4 as fast as PC with addons I don't think there'd even be a need for this conversation, but a lot of people have the thought that it takes the same time on all systems with no addons and I don't even know what to respond to those people except have fun and maybe one day others will too.

I'm on Stadia this year and thus have no addons. On my phone I can do 7 writs on 18 characters in less than 2 hours.

This also completely ignores everything else I pointed out in my first post. There are places you can go to avoid loadings screens between crafting stations, you can go to Vivec City to avoid the loading screen for the bank. You offer no suggestions for what ZOS could do, only say that it takes too long, when part of your argument (dealing with the stuff you get from the boxes) has nothing to do with with crafting system itself and is instead something you need to do with ANY loot or items you get while playing.

Addons don't take off that much time these days, not since they added quest markers to every crafting station. Each round of writs per character takes me 2-3 minutes to grab them, do them, and turn them in. Even with the addons, you still have to wait for each item to be crafted, so you're not wasting much time doing them manually. Again, I can say this because this year I'm doing 126 writs a day on my phone. The time I would be saving using addons is being saved instead in faster loading screens.

So again I ask, what do you expect ZOS to do?

TheWoanderer wrote: »

On Xbox and I agree wholeheartedly...

I hardly have any time for content due to doing my crafting writs on 9 toons.
It makes me acutely aware as to why the add-on was made for PC.

Maybe a solution could be to have hirelings do it and you have to go to the crafting tables to collect the crafted items, the ability could be added as a Green Tree slotable?

I would go so far as to say it kinda ruins my experience... Some would say 'well stop then' but I would like to be the person who crafts for others and helps new players with their progression... and as someone who was there before... I remember being so overwhelmed by the prices and so grateful for the folk who happily crafted me sets and asked very little in return, if anything at all.

In fact one of my most vivid memories was being in a 4 man dungeon after taking out the final boss and chatting about things and someone left and 5 minutes later returned with a full set for me and asked for nothing in return.

Lately though I've been logging off straight after my daily writs because I'm just so drained by the monotony and endless load screens and as someone who desperately wants to continue building a guild house I need to make lots of gold so I can continue to buy attainable crafting stations because you know... You can't buy them with crowns... So either gold or writs that cost a fortune due to the mats are needed.

It's a nightmare sadly and I desperately hope for a solution.

Having your Hirelings do your writs would completely defeat the purpose of crafting and writs. The Hirelings also lore-wise aren't there to make things for you, none of them travel with you or spend any time with you to do your crafting for you. They exist as a way to get extra mats to you, not do everything for you.

The simple fact is if you're getting burnt out with an aspect of the game, the best thing is to stop doing that activity for a while. Nothing is forcing you to do maximum writs on maximum characters every day. You can very easily craft things for people without doing writs every day once you get a decent stockpile of items, and if you're doing regular crafting you're more than likely also farming mats at least every once in a while, or at the VERY least picking up mats as you come across them doing other stuff.

Daily writs and Hirelings aren't meant to be your main supply of mats, they're meant to supplement what you get from the world. Same with the surveys. You CAN get a decent number of mats from surveys, writs, and Hirelings, yes. But they aren't meant to sustain you in and of themselves.

Except you know, the anniversary event that's basically rewarding crafting writs for once. But I have quit crafting (and such, the game itself) for months and coming back to it, Its not burnout. Its a system with lots of flaws that there are no easy answers to, and it will probably never get fixed.

What I want is for some of the things that addons give. I wouldn't mind a junk slot that we could customize, nor would I mind being able to walk up to the table and having the daily writs completed. Would it save a ton of time? No, but it would save some tedium. And to say that I want what PC users get being completely handed to me a on a silver platter is the best kind of irony.

My "stop the thing that's causing burnout" remark was specifically mentioned after quoting someone that had said they're getting burnt out. It wasn't directed at you, though the advice still applies. Forcing yourself to do something in a game that's causing that much duress isn't exactly the best thing to do.

And saying "I want what the addons give" isn't offering any suggestions. Addons don't give PC players a junk tab, that's just something console (and Stadia, which I play on) lacks. The writs don't auto-complete when you interact with a station with the Lazy Crafter addon, you still need to wait for everything to be crafted. I honestly don't see what's tedious about taking a few extra seconds to manually select the needed components. And again, I'm on my phone, without the benefit of a controller.

And again, you can't lump inventory management as a problem with with crafting system itself. Not having a junk tab makes deleting trash take time regardless of where that trash comes from. Selling and organizing is something you need to do with 90% of the items you get that don't go into the craft bag (or if you don't have ESO+) and again isn't anything to do with the crafting system itself.

You mentioned that doing the actual crafting only takes you about an hour. It's everything else you seem to be having a problem with, and it sounds like this is more of a "I want stuff PC has" thread than a problem with how crafting itself works. Which I mean, it would be nice if console could get addons, or a junk tab (which I don't get why that's something that's omitted from console/Stadia). But that doesn't mean there's any issue with the crafting system in and of itself.

DestroyerPewnack · April 2022

I used to have stuff pre-crafted for the next 9 days on characters I only used for daily writs. Just had to pick up the quests from the board and run to hand them in. Ez pz.

Arunei · April 2022

DestroyerPewnack wrote: »

I used to have stuff pre-crafted for the next 9 days on characters I only used for daily writs. Just had to pick up the quests from the board and run to hand them in. Ez pz.

I was going to suggest this, except for the fact that having a bunch of items that don't stack can absolutely slaughter your inventory space, especially if it's alts you don't really play and thus don't want to spend the gold on to increase your bag space.

Lysette · April 2022

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

From my experience it takes about 90 minutes to do writs on 18 characters - well, I have just 16, but it would take me about 90 minutes on 18. I don't like crafting on all though, I most of the time do just 4-6 and that is then 20-30 minutes - gets me like 15k gold plus eventually one or the other gold material, which can double that eventually. Lets say you would make 20k gold a day by doing less writs - is 600k per month not good enough?

Between the arms packs, crown crates, houses, houseguests, and events, and the prevailing crown to gold ratio of 150g on PS4 (sometimes 200g if its really dry) I would probably be ok with around 2M a month.

Ok, that is a totally different situation, I get my crowns through ESO+ and don't have to care for that at all. Furthermore I play with mediocre characters, because those are more fun, so I rarely need gold and when I need some, my crafting bag has enough stuff to sell for a million gold or more. I neither need arms packs, crown crates nor house guests and events are rarely of interest to me - I guess, I have just a better and stressfree life without those in ESO - maybe try that to be happy again, sometimes less is more.

BloodyStigmata · April 2022

The crafting writs are just fine with they take, what with the quest markers now appearing in the crafting station now.

It's the survey collecting that really kills your time.

PizzaCat82 · April 2022

Arunei wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

If they could make PS4 as fast as PC with addons I don't think there'd even be a need for this conversation, but a lot of people have the thought that it takes the same time on all systems with no addons and I don't even know what to respond to those people except have fun and maybe one day others will too.

I'm on Stadia this year and thus have no addons. On my phone I can do 7 writs on 18 characters in less than 2 hours.

This also completely ignores everything else I pointed out in my first post. There are places you can go to avoid loadings screens between crafting stations, you can go to Vivec City to avoid the loading screen for the bank. You offer no suggestions for what ZOS could do, only say that it takes too long, when part of your argument (dealing with the stuff you get from the boxes) has nothing to do with with crafting system itself and is instead something you need to do with ANY loot or items you get while playing.

Addons don't take off that much time these days, not since they added quest markers to every crafting station. Each round of writs per character takes me 2-3 minutes to grab them, do them, and turn them in. Even with the addons, you still have to wait for each item to be crafted, so you're not wasting much time doing them manually. Again, I can say this because this year I'm doing 126 writs a day on my phone. The time I would be saving using addons is being saved instead in faster loading screens.

So again I ask, what do you expect ZOS to do?

TheWoanderer wrote: »

On Xbox and I agree wholeheartedly...

I hardly have any time for content due to doing my crafting writs on 9 toons.
It makes me acutely aware as to why the add-on was made for PC.

Maybe a solution could be to have hirelings do it and you have to go to the crafting tables to collect the crafted items, the ability could be added as a Green Tree slotable?

I would go so far as to say it kinda ruins my experience... Some would say 'well stop then' but I would like to be the person who crafts for others and helps new players with their progression... and as someone who was there before... I remember being so overwhelmed by the prices and so grateful for the folk who happily crafted me sets and asked very little in return, if anything at all.

In fact one of my most vivid memories was being in a 4 man dungeon after taking out the final boss and chatting about things and someone left and 5 minutes later returned with a full set for me and asked for nothing in return.

Lately though I've been logging off straight after my daily writs because I'm just so drained by the monotony and endless load screens and as someone who desperately wants to continue building a guild house I need to make lots of gold so I can continue to buy attainable crafting stations because you know... You can't buy them with crowns... So either gold or writs that cost a fortune due to the mats are needed.

It's a nightmare sadly and I desperately hope for a solution.

Having your Hirelings do your writs would completely defeat the purpose of crafting and writs. The Hirelings also lore-wise aren't there to make things for you, none of them travel with you or spend any time with you to do your crafting for you. They exist as a way to get extra mats to you, not do everything for you.

The simple fact is if you're getting burnt out with an aspect of the game, the best thing is to stop doing that activity for a while. Nothing is forcing you to do maximum writs on maximum characters every day. You can very easily craft things for people without doing writs every day once you get a decent stockpile of items, and if you're doing regular crafting you're more than likely also farming mats at least every once in a while, or at the VERY least picking up mats as you come across them doing other stuff.

Daily writs and Hirelings aren't meant to be your main supply of mats, they're meant to supplement what you get from the world. Same with the surveys. You CAN get a decent number of mats from surveys, writs, and Hirelings, yes. But they aren't meant to sustain you in and of themselves.

Except you know, the anniversary event that's basically rewarding crafting writs for once. But I have quit crafting (and such, the game itself) for months and coming back to it, Its not burnout. Its a system with lots of flaws that there are no easy answers to, and it will probably never get fixed.

What I want is for some of the things that addons give. I wouldn't mind a junk slot that we could customize, nor would I mind being able to walk up to the table and having the daily writs completed. Would it save a ton of time? No, but it would save some tedium. And to say that I want what PC users get being completely handed to me a on a silver platter is the best kind of irony.

My "stop the thing that's causing burnout" remark was specifically mentioned after quoting someone that had said they're getting burnt out. It wasn't directed at you, though the advice still applies. Forcing yourself to do something in a game that's causing that much duress isn't exactly the best thing to do.

And saying "I want what the addons give" isn't offering any suggestions. Addons don't give PC players a junk tab, that's just something console (and Stadia, which I play on) lacks. The writs don't auto-complete when you interact with a station with the Lazy Crafter addon, you still need to wait for everything to be crafted. I honestly don't see what's tedious about taking a few extra seconds to manually select the needed components. And again, I'm on my phone, without the benefit of a controller.

And again, you can't lump inventory management as a problem with with crafting system itself. Not having a junk tab makes deleting trash take time regardless of where that trash comes from. Selling and organizing is something you need to do with 90% of the items you get that don't go into the craft bag (or if you don't have ESO+) and again isn't anything to do with the crafting system itself.

You mentioned that doing the actual crafting only takes you about an hour. It's everything else you seem to be having a problem with, and it sounds like this is more of a "I want stuff PC has" thread than a problem with how crafting itself works. Which I mean, it would be nice if console could get addons, or a junk tab (which I don't get why that's something that's omitted from console/Stadia). But that doesn't mean there's any issue with the crafting system in and of itself.

You can't tell me inventory management isn't a large part of crafting, even with a crafting bag the rewards give you a large amount of junk that would overwhelm anyone who pre-crafts each week. I takes much more time afterwards, even with helpers, to bank and sell everything (and trade the things that give money). Even making one of those things easier would make the whole process better.

And it would be possible for them to make the process of crafting quicker or more automated for multiple characters, The hard part is making it seem worthwhile and no breaking your precious "economy" that's really why most people have a problem with it. Its a house of cards and more players doing it means there's more undercutting and lower prices. The tedium is a barrier to entry, and therefore the system is working as expected.

xosaara137ox · April 2022

Takes all of 5 mins to do writs per character, with 15 it takes me just over an hour for writs and mounts, really unsure where the 5-6 hours comes from?