Yea... I got to 50 the other day, and found out that "Veteran Zones" and "Veteran Ranks" are really just pretty words for :

"You've only finished 1/3 of your leveling, and the easiest 1/3 at that. The last 2/3 will take increasingly greater amounts of time, and take you through the zones of the other two opposing factions, as If you were leveling an alt, which you are not, and will never, ever, EVER want to do in your life."

Basically, I find out when I hit 50 that ESO has a nifty grind reminiscent of an asian mmo in place to keep people busy while they work on their first content patch.

Also the fact that there's a ton of V10's that used leveling "exploits" to level super fast, and weren't suspended\rolled back after they fixed aforementioned "exploits" is really cool.

Like, I did veteran FG, it's really fun. I enjoy the veteran dungeons so far, PvP seems fun, I just want the V10 gear to do it, but the thought of basically grinding out the equivalent of like 20 more levels makes me ill.

I don't know (other than it was easy and they had to change very little) why they didn't just make the two factions zones used for Veteran content all the same difficulty, and give you the option to quest anywhere you wanted at 50... that way you could just like, follow your heart and simply grind the Vet ranks in the locations you wanted, but noooo just act like you're leveling again *** cuz that's what you're doing. Now spit on me ESO, and call me dirt, so I can whimper and give you more money.

Good news ... VR 6 you get another outfit that looks like light armour.

Ideal if you plan on looking different from other VR 6 players or your one of those people that like plate armour.

Nothing says tanks like a tight outfit with shoulder pads.

I got to lvl 50 (VR1) two weeks ago. Since then I am only 75% into VR1. I have read posts, checked websites, thought of raising other toons.

In the end, I cancelled my subscription and here is why.

I don't care if it takes a long tedious time to gain levels. I don't care if I don't get awesome new gear. I don't care if my stats don't go up. What I do care about is the fact that the abilities I used to complete the game in my initial faction are not good enough to kill even two mobs in the VR zones. I didn't change a thing, and I die two out of every three fights I get into now. It seems if I pull more then one mob now, there is a good possibility that I will be dead in a few seconds, just so I can waste more time running back to try to kill the mobs again and fail. I really hated having a 1770 gold repair bill half an hour after I repaired for 800 gold. I know I didn't make anywhere near that amount in the half hour killing 15 or 20 mobs in that time.

I like the game. It was a lot of fun until I couldn't stop dieing.

I have tried respecing. I have read a ton of different ideas on how to play my toon better. Nothing is working, so, I refuse to pay to be frustrated.

I hope that for those of you that stick around that they change this so it isn't so frustrating for you.

Good Hunting,
Vladdra

I don't know what you were doing wrong, friend. I am a clumsy little noob, but still do not find V ranks any more challenging than before. I die about the same times as before. Bosses actually tend to kill me less. You may just need to find your playstyle...

This thread is the absolute perfect example of how NO game will ever please everyone. First everyone complained they wanted to be able to go to other factions zone, they complied. Then people complain 1-50 is way to easy, they complied. People zoom through content and complain about not enough endgame, they complied.

Those that did the exploit should at least be rolled back, and if they can't be rolled back, suspend them for a month while the rest of us catch up the hard way. That or reward us with free stuff like respecs or something, idk.

It's just really unfair in a way that shouldn't be unfair, i.e it isn't a fact of life this time, this one wrong can be righted, so right it god damn it.

Typical complaint from someone that has capped in the first month of an MMO's release. Have seen it in almost every MMO I've played and that's all of the major releases and most of direct to F2P "Asian" games. It's a combo of the player grinding for cap and the game's leveling being too fast. Few releases have every provided "end game" content/advancement at release.

At least with ESO you are still racking up experience instead of your XP just disappearing in to the ether as it has in a few games once you hit cap.

Igolbug wrote: »

I hit VR1 and have gotten almost to VR5 in Cyrodiil just enjoying myself.

This is my plan...get to level 50, slow down, do a ton of PvP.

But I guess I'm an old-schooler that played Everquest...where after a year of playing time my character was only level 43.

If you race through the game, then there is NO POSSIBLE end game you will enjoy. It is impossible...you've just burned yourself out.

The journey is the reward. "Beating" the game (VR10) should not be.

It's so horrible drudging through enemy alliance zones after completing Cold Harbour. Suddenly I go from cool "end game" type of content to killing my own faction members and putting out fires and traps by pressing 'e' as if I made a new character.

It feels so awkward and tacked on, as if they had no other content and went for the easy option.

Im near VT7 and i don't know what you people have to cry about.

Im happy to get the chance to explore every corner of every faction and do quests and exploration as much as i could. Walk by some river, Pass a giant Mountain, find hidden treasures and leveling veteran rank doesn't take as much as it seems.

all you do is Achievements in the dungeons and do world Bosses and solo-Dungeons and you level up in no time.

Its damn easy and i don't have the problems you guys have, i enjoy it.

Niminion wrote: »

VR is the best idea ever. I get to explore the entire game on one character and I get to fight against challenging opponents instead of two shotting meaningless mobs over and over. You actually need a coherent build not just dump your favorite dps skills on your bar. It feels like end game because I can spend thousands on good gear and it is worth it because it will last me for awhile till I get to the next "tier". But also you are still progressing slowly when you rank up by increasing your soft caps and having access to better gear, similar to a normal gear centric endgame.

A lot of people don't like quest/xp endgame progression it seems, they want to be able to farm a boss and move to the next tier and farm another boss etc. I am not a raider, I like doing raids and dungeons once to see the scenery and doing lots of pvp. When there is no more solo progression and pvp gets old the game is over for me and I move on.

It feels like I am getting two entire expansions worth of content right at the beginning of the game. This is like WoW+BC+Wrath amounts of single player content to start with and Cata is coming out next month! Never have I played an mmo at launch with this amount of content available to a single character. Yes, it is content. If you feel you have to aoe grind for days to reach the absolute xp cap as fast as possible that's your own problem.

In general I agree with Niminion here. To specifically address the OP, the VR2 and VR6 costumes are going to be hit or miss with any player, sorry. I had fun with the VR6 costume for a while.

Compared to you OP, I have zero unused skill points, I'm VR7 (70%) already. I have 100% VR7 crafted "blue" weapons and armor, but *only* the best class, guild, world and armor skills (active & passive) needed for my build. I respec'd at level 30, and have used a well-planned build since then. I'm level 50 in woodworking, clothing, blacksmithing, and alchemy crafting (enchanting is bugged, level 28 I'm looking at you). Since VR1, I've been putting almost every new skill point into crafting. I have added a few new class and weapon skills that I did not think I needed before playing the veteran content, but which are proving to be very important.

One thing I'm confused about is why I'm always behind the leveling curve. For the first part of the game I was usually one or two levels in front of the curve. To give you an example, I've completed all of Greenshade, but am still only 70% of the way to VR8. Greenshade is a VR8 zone, so I was already playing one level up this whole time and occasionally getting my butt handed to me. It feels like I do all the quests and map completion in each zone, etc etc. I focus, of course, on the content compiled in Cadwell's Almanac. So, I think the developers need to pay attention to this issue, that the veteran content is not giving enough experience to level properly.

OP, as for the LOUSY T-SHIRT, I agree the rewards for this content suck. I don't know if it's because of whack-a-mole nerfs put in post-launch by second string developer-admins coming along after the core development team moved on to content expansions, but when I get 4 gold pieces and a plain white dagger for a solo-kill against a 25K HP quest boss who cast negate magic fields over frost patches ticking for 450 dps, while one-shot killing me over and over again with a ridiculous two-handed uppercut, I think there should something better.

By far the most frustrating thing about the game is the skill lag (i.e. unexplained delay or activation failures on skills and especially weapon swapping). This will be the straw that breaks the camel's back down the road. If this isn't fixed, it spells the end for me. Everybody who's anybody in the community has complained about it and there's no excuse for not fixing it.

Brutalis wrote: »

The game changes and get deeper imo at this point... and sure the casual player will probably lose out. But oh well

You do realise that no game that aspires to make money can survive without those casual players.

Making a game to hard in this day and age is commercial suicide.

If you enjoy the game being this hard, enjoy it right now, because it will be made easier, it had to if it's to stay in business.

Luckily for you, you probably have 2 months before the whole casual crowd hit a level or 2 of VR and the nerf cries block out the sun!

VR content is manageable, but you sure as heck have to have 100% focus while fighting even trash mobs. You may also find that play styles you enjoyed up to 50, just can't cut it in VR content, you have to optimise or go home, that's the biggest crime in what is supposed to be a hobby, a thing you do to unwind after a hard days work.

I get that some people don't do a hard days work, they may enjoy a game feeling like a job, most won't.

subecsanur wrote: »

I agree, why only a costume? Not a true armor set matching your class? Also a free respec would be nice.

Also I nvr understand why so many personal instances but the rewards don't even come close to what you need? Should there be a way to fix this?

Well said!

Yes, I want personalized rewards for reaching those ranks - is that too hard to program? I mean, it doesn't have to tally up every single skill point that I have and predict what's best for me, but at least it could be class specific.

Well... i am VR10 and i didnt exploit i finshed almost every quest

here is how i play in VR areas:

- It makes the game much better when you are a vampire using lifeleech and bats

- Use Block (every not blocked attack can kill you even if you are a full tank)

- Try to evade groups of enemys 2+ when you are new to VR content (or be sure your ultimate is ready use soulmagic ultimate "1900+ dmg on max level 200-250 UP costs" to instakill 1 enemy or use batswarm to buy time and hp)

- If you have skills like spear or others that push or knockdown enemys its a big help fighting groups 2+

- Use lv 50+ Potions (saved me many times)

- Look at your Skills (what do they do? do you really need it? can i change it for a better skill?) i had to reskill i used 2h now im using dual swords because of the lifeleech

- When you cant beat a boss or mob try to evade it if its a quest mob ask your friends or nearby players for help (many bosses/mobs are not balanced yet)

- Don't enter VR Dungeons until you hit vr5-6 or have a group that knows exactly what to do (can be really frustrating)

- Upgrade your gear every 2-3 VR levels (Upgrade it to blue+ rarity)

- Enchant your weapons and armor with glyphs (i use health and stamin)

- When you are a vampire get a Fireresglyph (+1450 Fireres legendary glyph)

- Enemys using magic cancel them i see so much ppl they even dont know they can cancel magic use block + attack to cancel a magic attack (red glow at enemys means they are casting magic)

"Not every Skill can be canceled or blocked"

- You blocked a attack and enemy is stunned? when you fight a group 2+ leave the enemys stunnend and focus on the one with lowest hp (that buys you time not recieving dmg from the stunned mob)

I just killed 10 vr10 mobs at one time yesterday at bangakorai... im a templar i just know how to play my class and how to use my skills i am a vampire too i play with much lifeleech and heavy armor i dont use any exploit (like bat ultimate exploit or something)

And when i can do this im sure all of you can i hope i helped you a lil bit

NiRN wrote: »

I have to say grinding vet ranks is tedious and knowing that many of the vr10 people running around exploited it makes it a slap to the face of us that are actually grinding the zones. The loot/rewards are pitiful, ZOS was very lazy with endgame and they will have to step up to the plate big time within the next few months to keep people subscribing. It's a hard truth...

Welcome to the world of MMO launches where endgame is never any good and most likely never will be. Usually MMO developers now try to say that, "Our game has no endgame all that happens when you reach level cap is you continue to develop your character!" or some other drivel they expect us seasoned MMO'ers to eat up and actually believe.