No, because NA and EU are separate accounts simply because they're separate servers. The only thing shared between them is I believe Crowns, pre-order bonuses, and the free Houses we've been given (so long as you were playing when the Houses were given out).

It's essentially as though you've brought a second NA account, without having had to buy a separate account.

Chapters are shared, ESO+ is shared. Crowns are shared but things bought in the crown store are not. Twitch crates go to both NA and EU.

kringled_1 wrote: »

Chapters are shared, ESO+ is shared. Crowns are shared but things bought in the crown store are not. Twitch crates go to both NA and EU.

Just to clarify a bit:

Chapters are shared if, and only if, they were purchased outside of the Crown Store, either while they were still chapters and had not been "demoted" to zone DLCs, or afterward as part of a "collection" edition of the game which includes the current chapter plus all previous chapters.

Imo this is close to criminal... If someone buys the DLC, they should get the DLC. You shouldn't be charged double if you play on both servers...

I mean, you might as well demand that we buy the game twice then as well, if we want to play on the EU and US server.

And I can honestly say that I would buy more items in the store, if it would then be available on both servers.
But if you are going to rip me off from the get go, then I just won't buy anything at all in your store.

It is insanely customer unfriendly!

EpicHero wrote: »

Imo this is close to criminal... If someone buys the DLC, they should get the DLC. You shouldn't be charged double if you play on both servers...

I mean, you might as well demand that we buy the game twice then as well, if we want to play on the EU and US server.

And I can honestly say that I would buy more items in the store, if it would then be available on both servers.
But if you are going to rip me off from the get go, then I just won't buy anything at all in your store.

It is insanely customer unfriendly!

Try buying housing. Try switching from the PS4/PS5 to the PC.

They make too much money on this to change it, but it is rather bad at best.

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

EpicHero wrote: »

Imo this is close to criminal... If someone buys the DLC, they should get the DLC. You shouldn't be charged double if you play on both servers...

I mean, you might as well demand that we buy the game twice then as well, if we want to play on the EU and US server.

And I can honestly say that I would buy more items in the store, if it would then be available on both servers.
But if you are going to rip me off from the get go, then I just won't buy anything at all in your store.

It is insanely customer unfriendly!

If Crown Store purchases were available on both servers then they would be double the price.

They might now, but conceptually they violate their own claims of "account-wide".

I don't see any account wide claims when purchasing crowns or crown store items. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

EpicHero wrote: »

Imo this is close to criminal... If someone buys the DLC, they should get the DLC. You shouldn't be charged double if you play on both servers...

I mean, you might as well demand that we buy the game twice then as well, if we want to play on the EU and US server.

And I can honestly say that I would buy more items in the store, if it would then be available on both servers.
But if you are going to rip me off from the get go, then I just won't buy anything at all in your store.

It is insanely customer unfriendly!

If Crown Store purchases were available on both servers then they would be double the price.

They might now, but conceptually they violate their own claims of "account-wide".

I don't see any account wide claims when purchasing crowns or crown store items. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?

Crowns which are purchased outside the game with real money are account-wide; you have those same Crowns available to you on both servers if you play on both servers (of that particular platform).

Crowns-- or, more correctly, gifted Crown Store items-- which are purchased inside the game with in-game gold are limited to that specific server. Since "buying Crowns" with gold isn't really buying Crowns, it's accurate to say that purchasing Crowns is account-wide, since they add to your available Crowns balance on your entire account, even though any Crown Store item you buy with them is available only on the specific server you bought it on.

I'm not thrilled about the way it works, but it is what it is-- and since a lot of players (possibly even most players) play on only one server anyway, it's kind of an irrelevant issue except to those players (such as myself) who do play on both servers of a given platform, or who decide to migrate all of their playtime from one server to the other for whatever reason.

Was pretty much my point. There is nothing about crown items being account wide that I could find. I responded to a statement that ZoS was/is violating their "account-wide" claims. I could find no such claims they could violate.

Arunei wrote: »

No, because NA and EU are separate accounts simply because they're separate servers. The only thing shared between them is I believe Crowns, pre-order bonuses, and the free Houses we've been given (so long as you were playing when the Houses were given out).

It's essentially as though you've brought a second NA account, without having had to buy a separate account.

Only event free houses related to chapter

CrashTest wrote: »

So what I take away from this thread is don't use the crown store.

Eh, depends on if you play on multiple servers/platforms or just one. I've never ventured off the PC-NA server since 2016, so I've not had any issues. /shrug

VaranisArano wrote: »

Chapters and anything else you buy for cash are Account-wide.

Anything you buy for crowns is server-locked.

This. It is the way Zenimax has designed it. We may want it to be different and can ask for it to be different, but it is not buy design.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

EpicHero wrote: »

Imo this is close to criminal... If someone buys the DLC, they should get the DLC. You shouldn't be charged double if you play on both servers...

I mean, you might as well demand that we buy the game twice then as well, if we want to play on the EU and US server.

And I can honestly say that I would buy more items in the store, if it would then be available on both servers.
But if you are going to rip me off from the get go, then I just won't buy anything at all in your store.

It is insanely customer unfriendly!

If Crown Store purchases were available on both servers then they would be double the price.

They might now, but conceptually they violate their own claims of "account-wide".

I don't see any account wide claims when purchasing crowns or crown store items. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?

Crowns which are purchased outside the game with real money are account-wide; you have those same Crowns available to you on both servers if you play on both servers (of that particular platform).

Crowns-- or, more correctly, gifted Crown Store items-- which are purchased inside the game with in-game gold are limited to that specific server. Since "buying Crowns" with gold isn't really buying Crowns, it's accurate to say that purchasing Crowns is account-wide, since they add to your available Crowns balance on your entire account, even though any Crown Store item you buy with them is available only on the specific server you bought it on.

I'm not thrilled about the way it works, but it is what it is-- and since a lot of players (possibly even most players) play on only one server anyway, it's kind of an irrelevant issue except to those players (such as myself) who do play on both servers of a given platform, or who decide to migrate all of their playtime from one server to the other for whatever reason.

Was pretty much my point. There is nothing about crown items being account wide that I could find. I responded to a statement that ZoS was/is violating their "account-wide" claims. I could find no such claims they could violate.

Yeah, I'm sorry if it sounded like I was trying to correct you or whatever. My comment was really aimed more toward the same comment that you were replying to, so my comment was meant more as a sort of reinforcement of yours.

I thought we might be on the same page.

kargen27 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

EpicHero wrote: »

Imo this is close to criminal... If someone buys the DLC, they should get the DLC. You shouldn't be charged double if you play on both servers...

I mean, you might as well demand that we buy the game twice then as well, if we want to play on the EU and US server.

And I can honestly say that I would buy more items in the store, if it would then be available on both servers.
But if you are going to rip me off from the get go, then I just won't buy anything at all in your store.

It is insanely customer unfriendly!

If Crown Store purchases were available on both servers then they would be double the price.

They might now, but conceptually they violate their own claims of "account-wide".

I don't see any account wide claims when purchasing crowns or crown store items. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?

Crowns which are purchased outside the game with real money are account-wide; you have those same Crowns available to you on both servers if you play on both servers (of that particular platform).

Crowns-- or, more correctly, gifted Crown Store items-- which are purchased inside the game with in-game gold are limited to that specific server. Since "buying Crowns" with gold isn't really buying Crowns, it's accurate to say that purchasing Crowns is account-wide, since they add to your available Crowns balance on your entire account, even though any Crown Store item you buy with them is available only on the specific server you bought it on.

I'm not thrilled about the way it works, but it is what it is-- and since a lot of players (possibly even most players) play on only one server anyway, it's kind of an irrelevant issue except to those players (such as myself) who do play on both servers of a given platform, or who decide to migrate all of their playtime from one server to the other for whatever reason.

Was pretty much my point. There is nothing about crown items being account wide that I could find. I responded to a statement that ZoS was/is violating their "account-wide" claims. I could find no such claims they could violate.

Yeah, I'm sorry if it sounded like I was trying to correct you or whatever. My comment was really aimed more toward the same comment that you were replying to, so my comment was meant more as a sort of reinforcement of yours.

I thought we might be on the same page.

And you both are missing the point.

The issue isn't claims while purchasing a Crown Store item, it is all the splash screens and such you see when coming into the game, for example. They talk about things being "account wide" when that is not true. Yes, they are almost certainly legally correct, but they are quite misleading and requiring two purchases is too greedy in the eyes of many of us, even if we pay it. AND the fact you lose it all if you switch platforms.

Yes, they are meeting their legal obligations, but they are not creating good customer will.

Ironically a gatcha game like Genshin Impact lets me have whatever I purchase on any platform, while ESO does not. And gatcha games are inherently money grabs. Think about it.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

EpicHero wrote: »

Imo this is close to criminal... If someone buys the DLC, they should get the DLC. You shouldn't be charged double if you play on both servers...

I mean, you might as well demand that we buy the game twice then as well, if we want to play on the EU and US server.

And I can honestly say that I would buy more items in the store, if it would then be available on both servers.
But if you are going to rip me off from the get go, then I just won't buy anything at all in your store.

It is insanely customer unfriendly!

If Crown Store purchases were available on both servers then they would be double the price.

They might now, but conceptually they violate their own claims of "account-wide".

I don't see any account wide claims when purchasing crowns or crown store items. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?

Crowns which are purchased outside the game with real money are account-wide; you have those same Crowns available to you on both servers if you play on both servers (of that particular platform).

Crowns-- or, more correctly, gifted Crown Store items-- which are purchased inside the game with in-game gold are limited to that specific server. Since "buying Crowns" with gold isn't really buying Crowns, it's accurate to say that purchasing Crowns is account-wide, since they add to your available Crowns balance on your entire account, even though any Crown Store item you buy with them is available only on the specific server you bought it on.

I'm not thrilled about the way it works, but it is what it is-- and since a lot of players (possibly even most players) play on only one server anyway, it's kind of an irrelevant issue except to those players (such as myself) who do play on both servers of a given platform, or who decide to migrate all of their playtime from one server to the other for whatever reason.

Was pretty much my point. There is nothing about crown items being account wide that I could find. I responded to a statement that ZoS was/is violating their "account-wide" claims. I could find no such claims they could violate.

Yeah, I'm sorry if it sounded like I was trying to correct you or whatever. My comment was really aimed more toward the same comment that you were replying to, so my comment was meant more as a sort of reinforcement of yours.

I thought we might be on the same page.

And you both are missing the point.

The issue isn't claims while purchasing a Crown Store item, it is all the splash screens and such you see when coming into the game, for example. They talk about things being "account wide" when that is not true. Yes, they are almost certainly legally correct, but they are quite misleading and requiring two purchases is too greedy in the eyes of many of us, even if we pay it. AND the fact you lose it all if you switch platforms.

Yes, they are meeting their legal obligations, but they are not creating good customer will.

Ironically a gatcha game like Genshin Impact lets me have whatever I purchase on any platform, while ESO does not. And gatcha games are inherently money grabs. Think about it.

I'm unfamiliar with gatcha games and Genshin Impact, so I can't compare and contrast them with ESO's way of doing things. And I did say "I'm not thrilled about the way it works," because I'm not. But I don't think I've ever noticed any "account-wide" claims mentioned on the game's splash screens. Do you have any specific examples? And even if they do use that term when advertising Crown Store items, they probably just mean that the item will be available to all of the characters on your account on the specific server you buy it on, not that it will be available to your account on all servers.

I don't right down the splash screen claims now, but I have seen several with "account wide" claims. Just watch them when you log in over the next few weeks for that phrase.

As I said though, not illegal, but I had made a thread quite a while ago on the topic and someone came back arguing that PC NA and PC EU (for example) were not the same account, thus the required repurchase did not violate the claim. I disagree of course, but cannot do anything about it, so I will be buying the Snow Globe home for the 4th time shortly because of this aspect. I don't know I will ever buy another Crown or if I will even reup my ESO+ when it expires next year, but they have me as a captive audience for now.

It does irk me at an ongoing level and I wish they would consider that aspect in their planning. I am not a complete whale, but I put enough in the games I play that I am a decent revenue stream above the bare minimum.

(A gatcha game is one with layers of currencies, lots of random pulls, where loot boxes give characters, for example. Grossly simplistic, but definitely bad aspects as well. The loot boxes here are similar, but not quite the same since I can only think of cosmetics from ESO's loot boxes, not weapons and characters.)

I was astonished when I discovered this, too. It quickly dissuaded me from playing on the Eu server.