Am I a grand master crafter or not?

Gaeliannas · March 2022

I seem to have the title on all my characters, but have not met the reqs on any but one. As the bits to achieve GMC affects rewards from daily writs, I am wondering where I stand on this. Also, how come all my chars don't have 9 traits and every motif available, as I have those achievements unlocked as well now it seems?

Or is there someplace to look to actually see what my chars do or don't have unlocked and what bonuses I am getting that I haven't found yet?

JanTanhide · March 2022

IDK. Is this part of Account Wide Achievements?

Gaeliannas · March 2022

JanTanhide wrote: »

IDK. Is this part of Account Wide Achievements?

I guess so, but this is one area that has me rather confused as I can't tell where I stand, or if I am not a GMC, how to get there on a char, as all the achievements show unlocked already.

virtus753 · March 2022

Most crafting achievements are account wide now, but crafting knowledge isn’t.

That means you will see the achievements for knowing motifs, etc., on your other characters, but they won’t actually have the knowledge to craft in those styles.

Enchanting translations were specified as one of the few exceptions to account-wide achievements. Do you have those achievements on your characters who are missing GMC?

kringled_1 · March 2022

For motif knowledge, go to J (journal), then lore library. At the top will be Crafting motifs which will be just about every motif (all that come in chapter form for sure). Trait knowledge I don't think theres anything much you can do except use the relevant craft table and see where you're at.

Gaeliannas · March 2022

Now you confused me even further, because no, I do not have all the runes unlocked on every character, but do have GMC unlocked, which is impossible without knowing the runes. /boggle

freespirit · March 2022

As far as motif knowledge is concerned, you can check each charaster's learned pages in their Lore Book knowledge section.

That still shows what each character knows and doesn't. 😀

Basically you have the achievements but not the actual knowledge, it's a very odd situation!😕

Gaeliannas · March 2022

freespirit wrote: »

Basically you have the achievements but not the actual knowledge, it's a very odd situation!😕

Tell me about it... cripes. But back to my original question, am I getting the rewards from daily writs based off of the achievements (I falsely have) or the actual knowledge? Has anyone figured this out yet?

Arunei · March 2022

virtus753 wrote: »

Most crafting achievements are account wide now, but crafting knowledge isn’t.

That means you will see the achievements for knowing motifs, etc., on your other characters, but they won’t actually have the knowledge to craft in those styles.

Enchanting translations were specified as one of the few exceptions to account-wide achievements. Do you have those achievements on your characters who are missing GMC?

As far as I know the only crafting achievement that's account wide is True Motif Master. Everything else needed for Grand Master Crafter was kept character specific, like Trait research and fully leveling the crafting lines.

OP, you only have Grand Master Crafter available if at least one of your characters had unlocked it before AwA. Things like Trait research weren't cumulative across characters. All Titles can be worn by all your characters as of AwA so long as at least one character had earned them previously or earns them in the future.

freespirit · March 2022

My daily crafting rewards do not seem to have changed one bit. I do writs on a mix of characters some with very little actual knowledge(traits, motifs known etc etc) some with a lot more.

It's probably still early days to say for sure but my current feeling is it may be knowledge based.

If I'm honest things like master writ drops have always been a bit odd, with my basically thick crafters getting gold writs and also gold mats as rewards pretty frequently too. 🙄

Edit :- All characters are max level in all crafts BUT some don't even have the first passive unlocked! The material type used one.

virtus753 · March 2022

Arunei wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Most crafting achievements are account wide now, but crafting knowledge isn’t.

That means you will see the achievements for knowing motifs, etc., on your other characters, but they won’t actually have the knowledge to craft in those styles.

Enchanting translations were specified as one of the few exceptions to account-wide achievements. Do you have those achievements on your characters who are missing GMC?

As far as I know the only crafting achievement that's account wide is True Motif Master. Everything else needed for Grand Master Crafter was kept character specific, like Trait research and fully leveling the crafting lines.

OP, you only have Grand Master Crafter available if at least one of your characters had unlocked it before AwA. Things like Trait research weren't cumulative across characters. All Titles can be worn by all your characters as of AwA so long as at least one character had earned them previously or earns them in the future.

I can't check, because all 18 of my characters had all but True Style Master before the update, but the only crafting-related achievements that were said to remain character-specific were related to enchanting. If that's not the case, then there is a serious gap in the patch notes that needs to be remedied.

"Enchanting Rune knowledge Achievements (and the knowledge of Runes in general)"

(Motif knowledge and trait knowledge is still character specific, but those are not actual achievements. The achievements for those are now account wide, or should be.)

wolfie1.0. · March 2022

freespirit wrote: »

My daily crafting rewards do not seem to have changed one bit. I do writs on a mix of characters some with very little actual knowledge(traits, motifs known etc etc) some with a lot more.

It's probably still early days to say for sure but my current feeling is it may be knowledge based.

If I'm honest things like master writ drops have always been a bit odd, with my basically thick crafters getting gold writs and also gold mats as rewards pretty frequently too. 🙄

Edit :- All characters are max level in all crafts BUT some don't even have the first passive unlocked! The material type used one.

Daily Crafting rewards are still character based, but now are based soley on character knowledge base. This is one of the reasons we suspect ZOS left Enchanting achievements character based vs the rest of the crafting tree.

you still need to do max tier crafting writs to maximize daily crafting rewards. You still need to do research and learn full motifs on characters.

Arunei · March 2022

virtus753 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Most crafting achievements are account wide now, but crafting knowledge isn’t.

That means you will see the achievements for knowing motifs, etc., on your other characters, but they won’t actually have the knowledge to craft in those styles.

Enchanting translations were specified as one of the few exceptions to account-wide achievements. Do you have those achievements on your characters who are missing GMC?

As far as I know the only crafting achievement that's account wide is True Motif Master. Everything else needed for Grand Master Crafter was kept character specific, like Trait research and fully leveling the crafting lines.

OP, you only have Grand Master Crafter available if at least one of your characters had unlocked it before AwA. Things like Trait research weren't cumulative across characters. All Titles can be worn by all your characters as of AwA so long as at least one character had earned them previously or earns them in the future.

I can't check, because all 18 of my characters had all but True Style Master before the update, but the only crafting-related achievements that were said to remain character-specific were related to enchanting. If that's not the case, then there is a serious gap in the patch notes that needs to be remedied.

"Enchanting Rune knowledge Achievements (and the knowledge of Runes in general)"

(Motif knowledge and trait knowledge is still character specific, but those are not actual achievements. The achievements for those are now account wide, or should be.)

Hmmmm, I would have to check myself, but you could be right. I know that individual progress for each thing is still character-bound. Which answers OP's question about why all their characters don't have all the Traits immediately unlocked, just as an aside to OP. But I could have sworn that achievements related to crafting in general were still character-bound just to avoid the confusion of people suddenly unlocking GMC if they had these achievements scattered across several different characters.

Agenericname · March 2022

Gaeliannas wrote: »

Now you confused me even further, because no, I do not have all the runes unlocked on every character, but do have GMC unlocked, which is impossible without knowing the runes. /boggle

You would only need it unlocked on one character. If that was the same char as the who had met the other requirements, such as traits, AWA would pull the motifs from other characters to complete True Style Master and complete GMC without any character having it prior. TSM doesnt appear to be looking for unique motifs either, only completed sets, so Primal for example could count multiple times.

Once any one character has GMC they all have it. If I had to guess, Id say thats probably what you saw happen.

RisenEclipse · March 2022

Okay so here's how it works. The achievement and title are just that now. Just an achievement and a title. It by no way indicates that character's actual skill in crafting. Anyone who looks at your character title now, only knows that at one point, on one of your characters, you had/ have a grand master crafter.

When you log onto characters that do not have ANY crafting skill, they will have both the achievements and the titles. The achievement does NOT give you the skills to be a grand master crafter. It only indicates that your account HAS a grand master crafter. So although you can see that your account (not character now) has level 50 blacksmithing, only the characters that have leveled up the skill as per usual can do the level 50 crafting.

As for motifs. It is the exact same thing. All your characters will have the achievement for motifs, but only the characters that learned the motif will be able to use it. If Character 1 learned all pages of the Akaviri style, and I log on character 2 that knows no motifs. They will still show the Akaviri style as completed, but will NOT be able to craft Akaviri style at a station. They will need to also learn the pages for that style like character 1 did.

DarcyMardin · March 2022

A weird side effect of AWA is that the most difficult requirement for GMC, the True Style Master achievement, was fulfilled during update 33 if you had approximately 6 alts who had all learned the 9 basic style motifs (I.e., Redguard, Argonian, Breton, etc). I guess because those blue basic styles count for all armor and weapons, they cumulatively add up to the 50 complete motif collections that you would otherwise have to acquire by farming and/or trading.

This resulted in my suddenly getting GMC on three of my four accounts, even though I had legitimately earned the title on only one account.

newtinmpls · March 2022

According to Account Wide Achievements, yes you are.

I don't count it that way for my characters but the game no longer supports my style of play

Kisakee · March 2022

The only effect you may see is that you're getting slightly more master writs as these achievements increase their drop chance from daily writs. That's about it, nothing else.

festegios · March 2022

If you’ve earns it on one character. Then yes. Your a gmc.

barney2525 · March 2022

The Account Wide = Titles only. Which is why its stupid (IMHO). I got low level characters who dont get to earn their crafting levels since they all have the Master Crafter title. Even the ones who are only level 1 in crafting areas and cant craft themselves out of a paper bag yet.

What it does is completely destroy the Titles and make them absolutely meaningless, and thus, the player has no desire to pursue them anymore for additional characters. What's the point? You already got the title. Why work for it on another character? There isn't even any satisfaction of seeing the banner come across your screen when you complete all the requirements on a second character.

IMHO

Jaraal · March 2022

barney2525 wrote: »

The Account Wide = Titles only. Which is why its stupid (IMHO). I got low level characters who dont get to earn their crafting levels since they all have the Master Crafter title. Even the ones who are only level 1 in crafting areas and cant craft themselves out of a paper bag yet.

What it does is completely destroy the Titles and make them absolutely meaningless, and thus, the player has no desire to pursue them anymore for additional characters. What's the point? You already got the title. Why work for it on another character? There isn't even any satisfaction of seeing the banner come across your screen when you complete all the requirements on a second character.

IMHO

Yep, all that sacrificed for some possible (not guaranteed) back end performance benefits in the future, and to make room for more achievements you can only earn once.

FineFeathered · March 2022

Kisakee wrote: »

The only effect you may see is that you're getting slightly more master writs as these achievements increase their drop chance from daily writs. That's about it, nothing else.

There's one more thing. The achievements allow you to buy certain achievement based housing decorations and patterns. The only one of your characters that had the achievement used to be able to buy it, and you had to switch characters if you wanted to purchase an achievement based housing decoration or pattern. Now you don't have to switch to do so. Which is kind of nice. But my main crafter still gets the best rewards for having been grand master crafter a long time ago and a huge list of motifs learned, that the others don't get. (Like gold tempers, gold master writs, etc. on a regular basis). That has not changed.

Being able to purchase achievement based housing decorations on any character int he account if one has achieved it, is really just a very nice way to avoid unnecessary loading screens. And yes, there are crafter based items like that available.

Danikat · March 2022

If you're on console think of account wide achievements like the consoles achievements/trophies, if you're on PC think of them like Steam achievements. It's showing that your account (aka you as a player) have completed that thing, but it doesn't affect other characters any more than getting a console/Steam achievement means when you start a new save file you already have that bit of a game completed.

In this case it means next time you meet the requirements for grand master crafter on a character you won't get a pop-up to tell you that you've done it (but you'll still know, because you were there doing it) but that's all. That character will still need to train up the skill lines, learn the traits etc. if you want them to have those things, because they are not the achievement. The achievement is just confirmation from the game that you've done a thing.

Grizzbeorn · March 2022

Gaeliannas wrote: »

I do not have all the runes unlocked on every character, but do have GMC unlocked, which is impossible without knowing the runes. /boggle

Because the achievement is account-wide now, the collective knowledge of all of your individual characters contributed to having all of the runes unlocked.
So between all of your characters, you ended up unlocking all of the runes.