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And what If I don't want to help the "Queen"?!?!
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kamimark✭✭✭✭We need the option to not help the phoney Queen and allow us to go against the Dominion.
So we need more player decision choices. I see clear well the political agenda of the stupid High Elves. Their "One Tamriel" is a farce.
This is one thing I get passionate about within the lore. I learned not to trust the High Elves in Skyrim. We see what happened there.
Skyrim's almost 1000 years later.
But you have a choice: Don't do the AD storyline. Nobody makes you hit Accept on those quests.
Kitty Rainbow Dash. pick, pick, stab.3 -
RisenEclipse✭✭✭✭✭I mean if we go off the God Head theory, the entirety of ESO and all TES games are just the dream and imagination of some god. So really it's an imaginary world that is imaginary XD absolutely nothing matters!Edited by RisenEclipse on March 20, 2022 12:21AM0 -
S0Z0H✭✭✭We need the option to not help the phoney Queen and allow us to go against the Dominion.
So we need more player decision choices. I see clear well the political agenda of the stupid High Elves. Their "One Tamriel" is a farce.
This is one thing I get passionate about within the lore. I learned not to trust the High Elves in Skyrim. We see what happened there.
Skyrim's almost 1000 years later.
But you have a choice: Don't do the AD storyline. Nobody makes you hit Accept on those quests.
Good point lol. I actually would start refusing to register with the NPC in Vaulklegaurd , when she wants your name. Lol , I was like, "non of your business, lady"0 -
S0Z0H✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
Have you even played Skyrim? You can choose to side with either the Imperials or Stormcloaks, and the decisions are pretty game altering lol.
The point is, you have built in choices. The lore overall still presses on and the story continues as the writers intended , but you , as a player pick a side. You even can find a way to decide a more middle path.
That's how brilliant Skyrim is.1 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭We need the option to not help the phoney Queen and allow us to go against the Dominion.
So we need more player decision choices. I see clear well the political agenda of the stupid High Elves. Their "One Tamriel" is a farce.
This is one thing I get passionate about within the lore. I learned not to trust the High Elves in Skyrim. We see what happened there.
Skyrim's almost 1000 years later.
But you have a choice: Don't do the AD storyline. Nobody makes you hit Accept on those quests.
Exactly, the Veiled Heritance, the hostile high elf faction you help the queen uproot in your very first zone, is what the thalmor in skyrim are, very different from the dominion that exist in eso's time, they just waited a few thousand years keeping their ideology alive for that time.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
Have you even played Skyrim? You can choose to side with either the Imperials or Stormcloaks, and the decisions are pretty game altering lol.
The point is, you have built in choices. The lore overall still presses on and the story continues as the writers intended , but you , as a player pick a side. You even can find a way to decide a more middle path.
That's how brilliant Skyrim is.
Skyrim is a single player game and much more limited in scope. And even if they gave you a choice in AD, it would be joining sides with the Veiled Heritance. So you'd be purposefully installing a racist, an openly racist one too.
So you wouldn't be able to stop Aryenn from doing racist things....because she's literally the opposite.
Edited by spartaxoxo on March 20, 2022 1:27AM10 -
S0Z0H✭✭✭Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »ElvenOverlord wrote: »What are you going on about? The Bosmer and Khajiit are members by choice through diplomacy and serve on the Thalmor. Any hatred and discrimination they face you literally fight against it and the Queen elevates the Khajiit and Bosmer to equal status with the Altmer and opened up Summerset to all outsiders.
Username checks out
There wasn't a vote I don't think, there's woof elf and Khajit that do not like the Dominion. "Opening Up" Summerset is supposed to be a positive thing? Who says? We already see the Thalmor's trechory further in time via Skyrim. To hell with the Thalmor.1 -
S0Z0H✭✭✭...
We need the option to not help the phoney Queen and allow us to go against the Dominion.
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Nothing phoney about this queen if you read the lore https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ayrenn
Young, yes. Idealistic, yes. Impetus, yes. But definitely not phoney. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Ayrenn
Perhaps you are a follower of High Kinlady Estre?
That would not be wise says my dear friend Razum-dar
razum dar is a sell out and a simp. To hell with him lol2 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »ElvenOverlord wrote: »What are you going on about? The Bosmer and Khajiit are members by choice through diplomacy and serve on the Thalmor. Any hatred and discrimination they face you literally fight against it and the Queen elevates the Khajiit and Bosmer to equal status with the Altmer and opened up Summerset to all outsiders.
Username checks out
There wasn't a vote I don't think, there's woof elf and Khajit that do not like the Dominion. "Opening Up" Summerset is supposed to be a positive thing? Who says? We already see the Thalmor's trechory further in time via Skyrim. To hell with the Thalmor.
1000 years later.
To put that in perspective, 1000 years ago from this year (1022), the United States did not exist. Radio did not exist, let alone television or internet. In fact, it was less than 15 years since the world's very first fiction novel debuted. Genghis Khan wouldn't even be born for over a 100 years.
The point is, a lot can change in 1000 years.
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S0Z0H✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
Have you even played Skyrim? You can choose to side with either the Imperials or Stormcloaks, and the decisions are pretty game altering lol.
The point is, you have built in choices. The lore overall still presses on and the story continues as the writers intended , but you , as a player pick a side. You even can find a way to decide a more middle path.
That's how brilliant Skyrim is.
Skyrim is a single player game and much more limited in scope. And even if they gave you a choice in AD, it would be joining sides with the Veiled Heritance. So you'd be purposefully installing a racist, an openly racist one too.
So you wouldn't be able to stop Aryenn from doing racist things....because she's literally the opposite.
That's debatable , not like the entire culture of high elves isnt racist. Have you played ESO or Skyrim in depth ? They have a huge issue with racial supremacy.
If the veiled hertance is racist then ok, at least they want to mind their own business. The queen and her dumb cronies ( Thalmor ) want to enslave all of Nirn in their High Elf superiority. The queen is nieve and idiotic. ( Pardon the spelling errors) but ya, the Dominion can shove it where the sun don't shine. The preachy self righteous "virtue" of the Dominion is smoke and mirrors , always was. Evidenced forward into history with their scheming ways ( Thalmor)
You can be a high elf and racist, but it's a whole other thing to try to impose your crap culture on the rest of Nirn.1 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
Have you even played Skyrim? You can choose to side with either the Imperials or Stormcloaks, and the decisions are pretty game altering lol.
The point is, you have built in choices. The lore overall still presses on and the story continues as the writers intended , but you , as a player pick a side. You even can find a way to decide a more middle path.
That's how brilliant Skyrim is.
Skyrim is a single player game and much more limited in scope. And even if they gave you a choice in AD, it would be joining sides with the Veiled Heritance. So you'd be purposefully installing a racist, an openly racist one too.
So you wouldn't be able to stop Aryenn from doing racist things....because she's literally the opposite.
That's debatable , not like the entire culture of high elves isnt racist. Have you played ESO or Skyrim in depth ? They have a huge issue with racial supremacy.
If the veiled hertance is racist then ok, at least they want to mind their own business. The queen and her dumb cronies ( Thalmor ) want to enslave all of Nirn in their High Elf superiority. The queen is nieve and idiotic. ( Pardon the spelling errors) but ya, the Dominion can shove it where the sun don't shine. The preachy self righteous "virtue" of the Dominion is smoke and mirrors , always was. Evidenced forward into history with their scheming ways ( Thalmor)
You can be a high elf and racist, but it's a whole other thing to try to impose your crap culture on the rest of Nirn.
Literally a thousand years, and generations of history, all changed things so that a single name doesn't mean the same thing over that time. Using the skyrim era thalmor as a reason to distrust the dominion, when in your first zone with them, you take down a faction that is literally the embodiment of the faction you dislike, is short-sighted to say the least. Aryenn is the strongest leader of the 3 factions (as opposed to the absent skald king and the 'is my crown to big' emric) and she is actively trying to cut down on the high elf supremacy ideals, and every zone you follow her through is the dominion trying to solve local problems to foster support.6 -
S0Z0H✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
Have you even played Skyrim? You can choose to side with either the Imperials or Stormcloaks, and the decisions are pretty game altering lol.
The point is, you have built in choices. The lore overall still presses on and the story continues as the writers intended , but you , as a player pick a side. You even can find a way to decide a more middle path.
That's how brilliant Skyrim is.
Skyrim is a single player game and much more limited in scope. And even if they gave you a choice in AD, it would be joining sides with the Veiled Heritance. So you'd be purposefully installing a racist, an openly racist one too.
So you wouldn't be able to stop Aryenn from doing racist things....because she's literally the opposite.
That's debatable , not like the entire culture of high elves isnt racist. Have you played ESO or Skyrim in depth ? They have a huge issue with racial supremacy.
If the veiled hertance is racist then ok, at least they want to mind their own business. The queen and her dumb cronies ( Thalmor ) want to enslave all of Nirn in their High Elf superiority. The queen is nieve and idiotic. ( Pardon the spelling errors) but ya, the Dominion can shove it where the sun don't shine. The preachy self righteous "virtue" of the Dominion is smoke and mirrors , always was. Evidenced forward into history with their scheming ways ( Thalmor)
You can be a high elf and racist, but it's a whole other thing to try to impose your crap culture on the rest of Nirn.
Literally a thousand years, and generations of history, all changed things so that a single name doesn't mean the same thing over that time. Using the skyrim era thalmor as a reason to distrust the dominion, when in your first zone with them, you take down a faction that is literally the embodiment of the faction you dislike, is short-sighted to say the least. Aryenn is the strongest leader of the 3 factions (as opposed to the absent skald king and the 'is my crown to big' emric) and she is actively trying to cut down on the high elf supremacy ideals, and every zone you follow her through is the dominion trying to solve local problems to foster support.
I understand all that , but its the nieveity of the queen. The problems of the Dominion clearly didn't get fixed by her. She wasn't really ever in charge in my opinion. The Dominion and her thought "one size fits all" for Tamriel and it's just not how reality works. All the species of Nirn have their own unique history that led them to the societies they have. And it's sheer arrogance to assume high elves can come along and "fix" everyone wagon. We acknowledge the intention and attempt, but the High Elf Nirn Order is not needed.
The high elves need to mind their own business , protect and keep alive their own culture , and if they want to trade...fine...but stay out of my Snug Pod!
I passionatly disagree with the foolish High Elves trying to export their "dominion" on the rest of Nirn.
So called "openers" and "inclusion" was trickery from the start. Trying to pluck the heart strings of khajits and wood elf going through hardship. Exploiters! Omg I hate the high elves LOL.
Ok ok ok....I'm good...it's just a game...I actually enjoy Auridon and have completed all of those quests without any reservation. I'm not THAT serious about it.
I just want a choice. But like other posters pointed out, going forward...if one really really hates the Dominion ...just ignore them and pick to play the other alliances and quests. Lol
Thanks for all the great feedback. I hope one day, someone will give us an immersive MMORPG like non other. Nothing is impossible. Who knows. Maybe ESO will do big things like this in the future. Ya never know.
ESO is one of these best MMOs in history i think, so it could pull it off. Id love it1 -
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✭✭✭✭Pretty sure the Thalmor as they exist in Skyrim don't exist in ESO, they just share the same name. And if you really dislike Altmer so much then why even pick AD? There are two other Alliances after all.
Also comparing the options a single-player game gives you and and the options an MMO can give isn't a very good comparison. They are two completely different kinds of game with different resources and different scopes. You cannot expect every quest to give you in-depth options every step of the way in ESO. If you want that level of depth you should play a single-player game. Why do people keep expecting ESO to do and be something it isn't?Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
Krisiel: Redguard Stamsorc DPS - Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Khajiit Stamblade DPS - Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things, nicknamed Tinykat
Niralae Elsinal: Altmer Stamsorc DPS - Young Altmer with way too much Magicka
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Magsorc DPS - Fledgling Vampire who drinks too much water
Slondor: Nord Tankblade - TESified verson of Slenderman
Marius Vastino: Imperial <insert role here> - Sarah's apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Delthor Rellenar: Dunmer Magknight DPS - Sarah's ex who's a certified psychopath
Lirawyn Calatare: Altmer Magplar Healer - Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Gondryn Beldeau: Breton Tankplar - Sarah's Mages Guild mentor and certified badass old person
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Breton Magplar Healer - Friendly healer with a coffee addiction
Soliril Larethian- Altmer Magblade DPS - Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time
Tevril Rallenar: Dunmer Stamcro DPS - Delthor's "special" younger brother who raises small animals as friends
Celeroth Calatare: Bosmer <insert role here> - Shapeshifting Bosmer with enough sass to fill Valenwood
PC - NA - EP - CP1000+
Avid RPer. Hit me up in-game @Ras_Lei if you're interested in getting together for some arr-pee shenanigans!3 -
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✭I did the AD story line once, and found it the weakest out of the 3 alliances. IMO it should have ended at Grahtwood, the remainder just felt like filler to me.
Queen Ayrenn, while pleasant, seems oblivious to the goings on around her, not someone that oozes confidence, I wouldn't want to server her either OP.
P.S, inspite of what I think of Ayrenn, Summerset is one of the last well written chapters imo, and one of my favorites.
Edited by Blinx on March 20, 2022 2:50AM0 -
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✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
Have you even played Skyrim? You can choose to side with either the Imperials or Stormcloaks, and the decisions are pretty game altering lol.
The point is, you have built in choices. The lore overall still presses on and the story continues as the writers intended , but you , as a player pick a side. You even can find a way to decide a more middle path.
That's how brilliant Skyrim is.
I'm tempted to reinstall it after, what, a decade to admire the King / Jarl / i really can't remember what he was but he was seriously racist who will still be lying dead on the carpet in the middle of the room while everyone mills about chatting as if nothing at all has happened. :-)Edited by Northwold on March 20, 2022 2:34AM0 -
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✭✭✭The short of it is the time it would take, plus all the additional steps like either entirely different zones or different versions of cities to accurately manage that drastic of a choice, is well beyond what an MMO can do easily. Like, in skyrim, depending on what faction you side with determines which npc sits on the throne and what uniform the guards wear, and the biggest change is some debris is added to whiterun. In eso, if you could make a choice that determined which faction ruled a city, would you have phased cities like you have with some base game areas, where people entering the city could notice those they are with phasing out so that each person only sees what they're "supposed to", or would everyone enter the same place, but with npcs and environmental assets being rendered to only those who chose it, let alone the time to write out the additional quest dialogue and whatever aspects would be required. A good thought, but a major scope increase.0 -
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✭✭✭NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »
Have you even played Skyrim? You can choose to side with either the Imperials or Stormcloaks, and the decisions are pretty game altering lol.
The point is, you have built in choices. The lore overall still presses on and the story continues as the writers intended , but you , as a player pick a side. You even can find a way to decide a more middle path.
That's how brilliant Skyrim is.
You get a different set of idiot jarls if you go stormcloak. Other than that, not too much of a choice. You don't actually settle the war, the Thalmor are still roaming around, and the npcs keep dying because dragons. And vampires. The only middle path is "we won't keep killing each other right now". But that applies if you choose one or the other.
What I wanted to be able to do is say, "Guys, I've wiped out thousands of bandits, slavers, organized crime bosses, drug dealers, vampires, and dragons. I killed Alduin and stopped the end of the world and saved the souls in Sovengarde. How about you put down the sharp pointy things now and take your naps. I'm in charge now. Nighty-night children."3 -
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✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
And even if they gave you a choice in AD, it would be joining sides with the Veiled Heritance. So you'd be purposefully installing a racist, an openly racist one too.
We can already play as a terrible murderer of innocents, so why not?
But to the point, presumably if they were to make the VH a joinable faction, that faction would be designed such that they would have some sort of relatable perspective instead of straight-up comic-book bad guys they are now.
Not that that is ever going to happen, but its an example of the sort of thing they *could* do in the future.0 -
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✭✭Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »ElvenOverlord wrote: »What are you going on about? The Bosmer and Khajiit are members by choice through diplomacy and serve on the Thalmor. Any hatred and discrimination they face you literally fight against it and the Queen elevates the Khajiit and Bosmer to equal status with the Altmer and opened up Summerset to all outsiders.
Username checks out
There wasn't a vote I don't think, there's woof elf and Khajit that do not like the Dominion. "Opening Up" Summerset is supposed to be a positive thing? Who says? We already see the Thalmor's trechory further in time via Skyrim. To hell with the Thalmor.
I agree. Its not so straight-forward, not everyone agrees with the need for an Altmer-lead Dominion at all, and if they did, the faction would be boring. Ayrenn has her naiveties. Altmer supremacy is a deep-running vein, and even if she's super altruistic, she doesn't recognise that the nature of the people she rules is all about dominance and supremacy, and she is working to establish that, long term. Evidently her noble character is so out-of-touch with what the Altmer of Summerset truly are that she fails to anticipate the stuff we so predictably see in the later games.0 -
RisenEclipse✭✭✭✭✭Well you're talking a LOT about the Thalmor in Skyrim, when... they are nothing like the Thalmor now. The Thalmor in Skyrim were a xenophobic political movement that completely overthrew the Altmer monarchy and declared elven supremacy over Tamriel. They even renamed Summerset into what they declare to be its original name of Alinor.
HOWEVER, the Thalmor now are a lot more weaker and less influential. They are advisers to Queen Ayrenn and act as liaisons between all the races of the Aldmeri Dominion. However this was a step up from what they were before the three banners war. Literally just "safe-guarders of Altmeri heritage". So as much political power as that job title entails. Not even close to what they will later have in the time of Skyrim.
Also, and here is a kicker for you... Currently King Aeradan Camoran (king of the Bosmer) AND Lord Gharesh-ri ( Speaker of the Mane for the Khajjit) are BOTH Thalmor!!! Yup the Thalmor Inner Council were actually made up of many bosmer and khajiit at Queen Aryn's behest. So no it does not look anything like the Skyrim Thalmor at all, and should not be mistaken as such. Many events later down the road (including the falling of the Crystal Tower during the Oblivion Crisis) caused the Thalmor to later go into power and become what it was during the time of Skyrim.4 -
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✭Also, Skyrim's Dominion is the 3rd Aldmeri Domionion. ESO's is the 1st. Completely different governments. And since I seem to recall the 2nd dominion also pre dating Talos, the 1st mustn't last that long anyway. I can't see this one surviving after Ayrenn's death. The 3rd Dominion only came to power in the 4th era.
To give a real world comparison, France has had 5 republics. It's like comparing 1792 -1804 France to 1958 - current France. All they have on common is a name and a flag. And many other forms of government between them.1 -
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✭Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »ElvenOverlord wrote: »What are you going on about? The Bosmer and Khajiit are members by choice through diplomacy and serve on the Thalmor. Any hatred and discrimination they face you literally fight against it and the Queen elevates the Khajiit and Bosmer to equal status with the Altmer and opened up Summerset to all outsiders.
Username checks out
There wasn't a vote I don't think, there's woof elf and Khajit that do not like the Dominion. "Opening Up" Summerset is supposed to be a positive thing? Who says? We already see the Thalmor's trechory further in time via Skyrim. To hell with the Thalmor.
So... let me get this straight. Because the Aldmeri Dominion of the future is racist and oppressive, it means that anything with the same name a thousand years in the past is bad? That makes about as much sense as hating a medieval writer, philosopher or scientist because he or she has the same name as a modern day dictator. None at all.2 -
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✭proprio.meb16_ESO wrote: »All hail the banana Queen!
We prefer the term "minions". As in "do, minion" you know?
Here with a little party with Ayrenn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgfNDLpxyp4
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✭✭✭✭✭Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »
And even if they gave you a choice in AD, it would be joining sides with the Veiled Heritance. So you'd be purposefully installing a racist, an openly racist one too.
We can already play as a terrible murderer of innocents, so why not?
But to the point, presumably if they were to make the VH a joinable faction, that faction would be designed such that they would have some sort of relatable perspective instead of straight-up comic-book bad guys they are now.
Not that that is ever going to happen, but its an example of the sort of thing they *could* do in the future.
Well, for one because the specific criticism of the OP was that he wanted to support the opposing faction instead of the Queen's faction because her faction is racist. And I frankly don't understand how someome could think Estre isn't extremely racist while Aryenn is, unless they conflate events 1000 years later like OP is doing.
There also seems to be a misunderstanding that the wood elves and khajiit were subjugated when they chose to join.
I get that 1000 years late, the Dominion is pretty bad and Aryenn ultimately fails to change the high elves to be less racist for good. But that's not a result of her being racist, it's actually quite the opposite.Edited by spartaxoxo on March 20, 2022 4:22AM1 -
proprio.meb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Then the OP should have chosen another race or bought the any race any alliance token or the imperial one... the game itself revolves around three alliances (and nine races) fighting each other...
it's like if in a historical game about ww2 you want to play the germans but not be in the axis...Edited by proprio.meb16_ESO on March 20, 2022 4:30AM0 -
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✭Complains about high elf racism. Dark elves basically do the same, but worse...
As said by many, there's other factions. Personally, I follow where the Khajiit go. From my understanding they chose to join AD because the alternatives of either being enslaved by EP or being destroyed by a plague weren't much better.That one khajiit obsessed with werewolf behemoth and vampire lord. Lady Thorn is bae, dont @ me.
Werewolf behemoth=vampire lord>blood scion>werewolf>vampire.3 -
RisenEclipse✭✭✭✭✭This whole convo on High Elf racism reminds of something I just recently bought for the lolz when I saw it...
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