Why no double AP?

hafgood · March 2022

Why is there yet another event that does not benefit PvPers? There is double XP so why not double AP? We were promised special rule sets and events for PvP but have yet to have anything other than a normal Midyear Mayhem.

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[edited for baiting]

WhiteCoatSyndrome · March 2022

Part of me wants to point out that the last Mayhem wasn’t that long ago, so they might be wanting to avoid Cyrodiil burnout. That said, I wouldn’t object to double AP to go with the double XP and gold…

Oreyn_Bearclaw · March 2022

I am all for Double AP any time there is Double XP. Couldn't care less about Double XP if I am being honest. Maybe Ill use it as an excuse to do some master writs, but that's about it.

ArchMikem · March 2022

Its the Explorer's event, not the Soldier's event.

hafgood · March 2022

Yes I agree Mayhem wasn't that long ago, but equally it's not that long since we had double XP (New Life) and not long til we get it again (next week, Jesters Festival). So it seems double XP can be given to the masses as and when Zos feel it appropriate but PvP is left behind, again

NordSwordnBoard · March 2022

Teh TelVar giveth not doubel?

A double everything, everywhere event, now that would be something!

hafgood · March 2022

ArchMikem wrote: »

Its the Explorer's event, not the Soldier's event.

And if I want to explore Fort Warden on my AD character I should get the appropriate reward for doing so.

RisenEclipse · March 2022

I have to agree with this. There should be double AP with the explorers event. Sure MYM did take place recently, but that doesnt mean this event shouldnt have double AP whenever it comes up. How many times per year do we get double XP? And how many times per year do we get double AP? I would like for this event to have double AP so at least I know there is more then just MYM that does it.

gariondavey · March 2022

ArchMikem wrote: »

Its the Explorer's event, not the Soldier's event.

I'm gonna explore the enemy keep...with my sword

xXSilverDragonXx · March 2022

During double AP I notice that dungeons here die off. I wonder if they do that to keep activity on one side. I wonder if double AP taxes the servers more? They set up many cyrodiil's for the last one. I'm suspecting that because of this, that is why they don't do it as much. If performance is a thing and cyrodiil can't be instanced to the degree that the other zones can, that might be why, because it would draw a lot of people. But if they did it more, maybe people it wouldn't get so filled because people would know it's happening again soon?

S0Z0H · March 2022

I actually agree that they should include double Alliance Points , just to throw PVPers a bone. It's a small but solid gesture that would be a positive thing

kargen27 · March 2022

AP can be used as currency. XP no currency involved. Limiting double AP events keeps rare items rare as intended.

"My statement is 100% fact. No one has to pay anything past the $10 fee for the base game (one sale) to participate in all PvP available in the game. So while I expect many PvP players to spend money on the game it is the cash shop or on PvE.

So as I clearly stated, encouraging PE is where the money is. I guess I did err in leaving out the cash shop."

You can participate in PvE with just the one time fee if you so desire. Thing is many sets good for PvP can only be obtained doing PvE content. If those in Cyrodiil want the latest and greatest they purchase the expansions just like the PvE crowd.

Amottica · March 2022

kargen27 wrote: »

AP can be used as currency. XP no currency involved. Limiting double AP events keeps rare items rare as intended.

"My statement is 100% fact. No one has to pay anything past the $10 fee for the base game (one sale) to participate in all PvP available in the game. So while I expect many PvP players to spend money on the game it is the cash shop or on PvE.

So as I clearly stated, encouraging PE is where the money is. I guess I did err in leaving out the cash shop."

You can participate in PvE with just the one time fee if you so desire. Thing is many sets good for PvP can only be obtained doing PvE content. If those in Cyrodiil want the latest and greatest they purchase the expansions just like the PvE crowd.

Another good point.

wolfie1.0. · March 2022

To be quite honest it probably has to deal with how easy it is to turn on. In the past when ZOS has turned on double AP most of the time they have had to roll out additional pvp campaigns to facilitate traffic. That's not as easy as just flipping a switch.

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WhiteCoatSyndrome · March 2022

kargen27 wrote: »

AP can be used as currency. XP no currency involved. Limiting double AP events keeps rare items rare as intended.

But gold can also be used as currency, and that’s also being doubled.

RealLoveBVB · March 2022

How doesn't the event benefit pvpers?

The red cp tree is the most valuable one for pvpers, since nearly all of them are useful for this activity. So pvpers benefit from double xp.

What about the cornflowers and columbine that are lying around when riding from keep to keep? Yeees, double loot too!

katanagirl1 · March 2022

I was going to post that this is not a PvP event.

The truth is, whenever there is a PvE event going on the population in Cyrodiil is greatly reduced and there is not enough to find much action on the map. Perhaps double AP would help that.

Feaky · March 2022

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

How doesn't the event benefit pvpers?

The red cp tree is the most valuable one for pvpers, since nearly all of them are useful for this activity. So pvpers benefit from double xp.

What about the cornflowers and columbine that are lying around when riding from keep to keep? Yeees, double loot too!

So to benefit PVP players we would actually have to not play PVP?

At least give PVP players double XP on player kills if they are not already doing so.

RealLoveBVB · March 2022

Feaky wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

How doesn't the event benefit pvpers?

The red cp tree is the most valuable one for pvpers, since nearly all of them are useful for this activity. So pvpers benefit from double xp.

What about the cornflowers and columbine that are lying around when riding from keep to keep? Yeees, double loot too!

So to benefit PVP players we would actually have to not play PVP?

At least give PVP players double XP on player kills if they are not already doing so.

Why would you need to stop to pvp? Are you actually aware that Cyrodiil is the best area to make levels, when not farming directly for them?
Everytime you kill a simple npc you will receive xp. For every capture and deftick and even handing in your scouting report will give you double gold and xp too! And yes, of course it includes player kills too!

So on what are you missing out?

kargen27 · March 2022

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

AP can be used as currency. XP no currency involved. Limiting double AP events keeps rare items rare as intended.

But gold can also be used as currency, and that’s also being doubled.

I knew that one would bite me but the gold comes in a tiny little trickle while AP can come in torrents.

Norith_Gilheart_Flail · March 2022

You know what else is gonna bite you?

Double harvests. That translates directly into currency too.

So how about being nice and just support the notion of double AP, for a surprise event that wasn't announced, just because you can?

Crimsonwolf666 · March 2022

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

How doesn't the event benefit pvpers?

The red cp tree is the most valuable one for pvpers, since nearly all of them are useful for this activity. So pvpers benefit from double xp.

What about the cornflowers and columbine that are lying around when riding from keep to keep? Yeees, double loot too!

[snip] Pvpers, especially those that only do such, get shafted often. Pvp has the worst bugs and the worst lag, the worst updates to NO updates at all. Pvp gets shafted more often then not.

[edited for baiting]

TheDarkRuler · March 2022

I think double XP events should give double AP too. I am by far no PVP player but i think splitting these two things is not really good for the playerbase.

hafgood · March 2022

I just find it incredible that after Matt Firors statement to the PvP community in January nothing has happened since.

Yes we had Midyear Mayhem last month but we always have MYM in February so that's nothing new.

Yes they announced some exclusive PvP styles in the debacle of the chapter launch aftershow. But that's not PvP. Thats fashion.

This event would have been a great opportunity to give something extra to the PvP community. Instead once again we are ignored in favour of PvE.

This is just not acceptable.

Northwold · March 2022

hafgood wrote: »

I just find it incredible that after Matt Firors statement to the PvP community in January nothing has happened since.

Yes we had Midyear Mayhem last month but we always have MYM in February so that's nothing new.

Yes they announced some exclusive PvP styles in the debacle of the chapter launch aftershow. But that's not PvP. Thats fashion.

This event would have been a great opportunity to give something extra to the PvP community. Instead once again we are ignored in favour of PvE.

This is just not acceptable.

Well, hold on, they've just wrought havoc on essentially everything else in the game to reduce the server load. I seriously doubt that was for the benefit of PvE...

hafgood · March 2022

Northwold wrote: »

Well, hold on, they've just wrought havoc on essentially everything else in the game to reduce the server load. I seriously doubt that was for the benefit of PvE...

They didn't do it to benefit PvP either as they have stated the only thing that will sort the PvP issues is a rearchitecture of the servers.

And the havoc has borked the game for everyone, whether they be PvP or PvE, so I'm not sure what your argument is?

Northwold · March 2022

hafgood wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

Well, hold on, they've just wrought havoc on essentially everything else in the game to reduce the server load. I seriously doubt that was for the benefit of PvE...

They didn't do it to benefit PvP either as they have stated the only thing that will sort the PvP issues is a rearchitecture of the servers.

And the havoc has borked the game for everyone, whether they be PvP or PvE, so I'm not sure what your argument is?

That playing the victim for something that really doesn't matter when major changes have been made that have essentially no impact on PvE but are likely to affect eg latency is not at all convincing.

hafgood · March 2022

I'm sorry I still don't understand? All I've asked for is double AP in an event that is supposed to be for all players.

I've no issues with PvE players getting benefit from an event, I'm just asking for equal treatment for PvP players.

I'm certainly not playing a victim. I'm fed up with the way PvP is treated, as are most PvP players. We've been promised loads with nothing delivered. Following this PvE event we will have Jesters Festival (PvE event) and then the Anniversary Event (PvE event) so probably 4 to 5 weeks of events all catering to PvE.

Is it that much to ask for some benefit to PvP as well?

Naftal · March 2022

XP and gold are just as useful for both pve and pvp.

EDIT: Also anniversary event is for both pve and pvp.

PvP_Exploiter · March 2022

PvP always left out.

Just look at this patch. Instead of coming up with an improved system, they revert it back to the previous system which was equally bad for game modes but in the opposite direction (literally no DM, all Obj).