hcbigdogdoghc wrote: »

Trust me...it gets worse in later quests.

And you just realized now that the "who's the worm king" and "what's the three banner's war" Vestige is stupid?😂

The vestige asked Vanus Galerion to hand them a boat. The vestige is brave and capable, but they aren't the sharpest tool in the shed. They have lapses with their memory/intelligence sometimes. It's probably a side effect from being killed and also a convenient way to inject reminders about lore and some humor.

The db/blackwood thing though is egregious even with that understanding.

I think the quest follows it's own canon, and just ignores what you did outside of it.

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They at least aknowledge you were a member with a slight change of dialogue here and there.

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Yeah there were several discussions about this when Blackwood first dropped. The near-universal consensus was that being forced to reveal DB membership was a terrible writing decision.

fiender66 wrote: »

Lugaldu wrote: »

I'm still at the very beginning of the main quest, but I am really wondering... I mean, there are certain things going on and I, as a member of the DB, cannot ask one of my brothers or sisters who's got their hands on it?

When I talk to Eveli it feels like I have to pretend to be stupid.

What do you want? To make a show of wit with Eveli? To each one its own...

I want better and more logical storytelling that takes my character's background into account. Why does DB have to be involved? It would be much more neutral if it were some other previously unknown group of assassins.

VaranisArano wrote: »

If it helps from a RP perspective, Silencers and the Black Hand are exempt from the Five Tenets, and it looks like apparently the Wraith of Sithis is summoned by the Black Hand, so if they decide they don't want to punish you, they don't send it (as evidence by not getting if you don't get caught stealing in Oblivion, and the Book of Dark Rite you can find in the Gold Coast Antiquities).

It's not the best writing, to be honest. In fact it's pretty much making me not be too bothered about Blackwood at all. I play for the story, and if the story is bad, why bother?

Northwold wrote: »

It's a long time since I played Dark Brotherhood but my biggest issue with the way Blackwood handles it was actually, hold on, aren't I to all intents and purposes your boss? Who the hell do you think you're talking to, here?

Not really, if I understand you correctly.

In Oblivion, we see that the Speakers have their own Silencer, but otherwise, Speakers are pretty much on equal terms with each other. The Silencer answers to their Speaker, but doesn't necessarily command anyone else.

By the end of the DB DLC, we're Speaker Terenus' Silencer.
At the start of Blackwood, Elam Drals is setting up the new Sanctuary in Blackwood, on the orders of Matron Astara and Speaker Terenus.

So he's not our boss, and we're not his. Instead, we both answer to the same people.


Which is the plot problem. Because Elam Drals is obeying our Matron and Speaker by opening the new Sanctuary, and then we unilaterally decide to muck things up by telling the Councilors about it.

It's a little more understandable from Elam's POV. He seems to think he's asking us to help clear the Brotherhood's name, which a brother/sister would want to do, right?

Well, we don't. And worse, we betray his Sanctuary to the legal authorities (and the cult that comes to kill them) resulting in the deaths of our fellow brothers and sisters.

If the example of Speaker Lucien Lachance is any guide, he's furious when he realizes his Silencer has gone off the rails and even shows up to kill you himself for your betrayal. He only stops when he realizes you genuinely believed yourself to be following his orders.

I don't imagine that Speaker Terenus would be feeling merciful...which is why my Silencer isn't touching Blackwood's story.

You can't even lie to Eveli. You have to confess to her that yes, you're an assassin of this secret assassin murder cult. We don't even get a <Remains silent>!
..and then we proceed to break the tenets, betray the Brotherhood, have sisters and brothers killed.... It's not good.

And in the end, Eveli doesn't even talk about it anymore...

Hurbster wrote: »

It's not the best writing, to be honest. In fact it's pretty much making me not be too bothered about Blackwood at all. I play for the story, and if the story is bad, why bother?

Completely understandable, ESO's HUGE majority of content where you'll spend most of your time at is in story content, and it's delivered in such a mediocre way, guiding us to the ball pit, never letting go of our hand, and when it does, it will come back to us in a panic trying to make sure we're completely safe and then keep handholding...
I mean, dialogue options to be reminded about something aren't even options, they're mandatory since there's no choice.
Your character is completely dumbed down and has to ask the most stupid questions.
What's worse, is that there's no RPG in this MMO, you can't hide the truth to Eveli that you're brotherhood, there IS dialogue for when you're not, but you're FORCED to say the truth.
You can't even be a jerk, you're FORCED to tell eveli she looks nice in a dress.

The dialogue in this game at this point is rather just canned worms of corporate story telling.

So I hope you're not playing this game for story (aka, the selling point) and just do farming to make a cool build, which is the only important thing in this game.