What's stronger? Hundings, leviathan or new moon?

francesinhalover · February 2022

I am stam sorce, 40% crit chance without pots.
Im not sure what my extra crit dmg is. I think probs 24%(34% with trap beast.)

1500 pen

It's for body , dung runs not trial.

I'm using rapid strikes- rending slashes - bound armaments - clanfear - flawless

Endless hail - hurricane - barbed - bound - clanfear - atronach.

Race imperial.

Stormfist//vma bow // pillar main bar // ??? Body.

Would deadly strike be stronger than the other options?

Food used stam+ stam regen (should i use stam+hp instead?)

TPishek · February 2022

I would think Leviathan, but that's harder to get than a crafted set. New Moon is probably your best bet.

francesinhalover · February 2022

TPishek wrote: »

I would think Leviathan, but that's harder to get than a crafted set. New Moon is probably your best bet.

I updated the post... Leviathan does have crit... 900- than advc yokeda right?

Gundug · February 2022

If you are over-sustaining, you could consider going to health/stamina food for more durability and higher resources. You are running Stormfist, so there’s some sustain there. I personally hate pets, and don’t care for the clannfear, but if that’s giving you better damage than the tormentor, I suppose the emergency heal is nice to have. I run other more useful skills in the two bar slots though, but I mostly play solo.

Vicious Ophidian is fairly easy to get, and gives Minor Slayer, plus unmatched sustain against trash. That’s another option, if you are willing to run at least normal Craglorn trials, especially if you switch to the bi-stat food and have some trouble keeping your stamina up. What you may find is that there might not be massive differences between the numbers you get from whatever damaging sets you choose from, so sometimes the utility a set gives can be more important.

If you are going for a quick and easy setup, Hunding’s gives decent damage, while New Moon should give a little bit more, but your sustain will go down slightly.

francesinhalover · February 2022

Gundug wrote: »

If you are over-sustaining, you could consider going to health/stamina food for more durability and higher resources. You are running Stormfist, so there’s some sustain there. I personally hate pets, and don’t care for the clannfear, but if that’s giving you better damage than the tormentor, I suppose the emergency heal is nice to have. I run other more useful skills in the two bar slots though, but I mostly play solo.

Vicious Ophidian is fairly easy to get, and gives Minor Slayer, plus unmatched sustain against trash. That’s another option, if you are willing to run at least normal Craglorn trials, especially if you switch to the bi-stat food and have some trouble keeping your stamina up. What you may find is that there might not be massive differences between the numbers you get from whatever damaging sets you choose from, so sometimes the utility a set gives can be more important.

If you are going for a quick and easy setup, Hunding’s gives decent damage, while New Moon should give a little bit more, but your sustain will go down slightly.

Does vicious ophidian increase more the damage than the above sets?

I heard 150 dmg is like 1% extra dmg.

Minor slayer seems to increase dmg by like a bit more than 3% so thats like 400 dmg , but i am most likely wrong haha

Vulkunne · February 2022

It depends on what content you want to run really. I think you're on the right track though.

francesinhalover · February 2022

Vulkunne wrote: »

It depends on what content you want to run really. I think you're on the right track though.

Vet dlc dungeons

Iron_Warrior · February 2022

Vicous ophidian because of the minor slayer buff. Plus you get a lot of sustain with it too.also you are a stam sorc so:

VO speed boost+hurricane speed boost=fun!

TPishek · February 2022

VO is a bit stronger than Hundings, but with sustain. If you are under penetration, which in dungeons you probably will be, and have plenty of regen you can do New Moon. They'll be roughly the same.

francesinhalover · February 2022

TPishek wrote: »

VO is a bit stronger than Hundings, but with sustain. If you are under penetration, which in dungeons you probably will be, and have plenty of regen you can do New Moon. They'll be roughly the same.

What will be roughly the same?
I have 1500 pen atm

TPishek · February 2022

francesinhalover wrote: »

TPishek wrote: »

VO is a bit stronger than Hundings, but with sustain. If you are under penetration, which in dungeons you probably will be, and have plenty of regen you can do New Moon. They'll be roughly the same.

What will be roughly the same?

VO and New Moon.

MindOfTheSwarm · February 2022

Medusa, Tzogvin’s, Gyphon’s. all stronger than Leviathan in my opinion. The game for the most part is in a good spot with set combinations. For example, you can run Archer’s Mind with Medusa jewellery with Band of Malacath and still manage to hit over 100% Crit Damage on the right build. This is not meta by any means but can still top tier numbers on a good rotation.

LashanW · February 2022

francesinhalover wrote: »

I'm using rapid strikes- rending slashes - bound armaments - clanfear - flawless

Endless hail - hurricane - barbed - bound - clanfear - atronach.

One skill is missing on front bar? For dungeons some AoE spammable might be nice here.

francesinhalover wrote: »

Stormfist//vma bow // pillar main bar // ??? Body.

Would deadly strike be stronger than the other options?

Not sure how helpful pillar of nirn would be in dungeons tbh. Your target might move around. I personally much prefer stat based sets for dungeons. Deadly strike might be very nice for your build since your spammable is rapid strikes (irrc deadly strike buff work for this one). Tzogvin is also very strong, it's also very easy to keep up the stacks on that one.

I'd personally run vicious ophidian and tzogvin and use bi-stat food. Should be safer with no sustain issues.

starkerealm · February 2022

francesinhalover wrote: »

Does vicious ophidian increase more the damage than the above sets?

I heard 150 dmg is like 1% extra dmg.

Minor slayer seems to increase dmg by like a bit more than 3% so thats like 400 dmg , but i am most likely wrong haha

Depends. The damage stat on your character sheet is only half the story. The other half is actually applying that to the target. If you're having issues with sustain, then NMA will result in less outgoing damage than it would suggest (because of the cost increases making sustain more difficult), simultaneously, even though it looks lower on paper, the increased sustain from VO could be significantly more valuable. This is going to be 100% dependent on your skill as a player, and how well you're handling sustain.

In a lot of cases like this, the real answer is, "just farm up the set and test it for yourself." It will tell you how well the set works for your build. While people here can help you, some of this does come down to your ability to actually make it happen.

francesinhalover · February 2022

LashanW wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

I'm using rapid strikes- rending slashes - bound armaments - clanfear - flawless

Endless hail - hurricane - barbed - bound - clanfear - atronach.

One skill is missing on front bar? For dungeons some AoE spammable might be nice here.

francesinhalover wrote: »

Stormfist//vma bow // pillar main bar // ??? Body.

Would deadly strike be stronger than the other options?

Not sure how helpful pillar of nirn would be in dungeons tbh. Your target might move around. I personally much prefer stat based sets for dungeons. Deadly strike might be very nice for your build since your spammable is rapid strikes (irrc deadly strike buff work for this one). Tzogvin is also very strong, it's also very easy to keep up the stacks on that one.

I'd personally run vicious ophidian and tzogvin and use bi-stat food. Should be safer with no sustain issues.

I usualy use crit surge, hunters for crit rating or something else, im not sure what aoe to use... Steel tornado? Whirwind? Perhapes next update i can use some mag skill.

Deadly actualy buffs all my skills other than clanfear, but doesnt buff light attacks.

Does pillar bleed stop if boss moves? Or the issue is the boss moving in the 1 second pillar hasnt exploded yet?

MudcrabAttack · February 2022

francesinhalover wrote: »

TPishek wrote: »

VO is a bit stronger than Hundings, but with sustain. If you are under penetration, which in dungeons you probably will be, and have plenty of regen you can do New Moon. They'll be roughly the same.

What will be roughly the same?
I have 1500 pen atm

The way balance has been lately weapon damage buffs are pretty close in strength to crit buffs, unless one is very low compared to the other.

On the other hand penetration is usually the single strongest source of damage.

In 4 player dungeons, a stamina sorc would typically be under the penetration cap by quite a bit, tanks who follow a guide are generally providing just enough penetration for the meta mage groups to get by. New moon has 1487 extra pen, and can be crafted in light armor to help build up more penetration, 938 for each light armor piece. There’s a hard penetration cap of 18,200. So with major/minor breach and the crusher enchantment, tanks typically contribute about 11,000. In the next big hybridization patch it could be easier to sustain a dps rotation with new moon if you add more magic skills to the mix

But like someone already mentioned sustain can feel different for each player based on the rest of the setup. Without some sort of regen food my proposal would likely be hard to pull off

francesinhalover · February 2022

MudcrabAttack wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

TPishek wrote: »

VO is a bit stronger than Hundings, but with sustain. If you are under penetration, which in dungeons you probably will be, and have plenty of regen you can do New Moon. They'll be roughly the same.

What will be roughly the same?
I have 1500 pen atm

The way balance has been lately weapon damage buffs are pretty close in strength to crit buffs, unless one is very low compared to the other.

On the other hand penetration is usually the single strongest source of damage.

In 4 player dungeons, a stamina sorc would typically be under the penetration cap by quite a bit, tanks who follow a guide are generally providing just enough penetration for the meta mage groups to get by. New moon has 1487 extra pen, and can be crafted in light armor to help build up more penetration, 938 for each light armor piece. There’s a hard penetration cap of 18,200. So with major/minor breach and the crusher enchantment, tanks typically contribute about 11,000. In the next big hybridization patch it could be easier to sustain a dps rotation with new moon if you add more magic skills to the mix

currently with stam - stam regen food i have 1800 stam regen...or was it 1600? anyways, if i have a healer that can restore stamina, i never run out of stamina. with hibridization i will be using more magicka skills yes. but that's where the 5% extra cost might hurt...on my mag bar

From what i understand enemy 500 armor resistance is around 1% less dmg , so a enemy with 10 000 would be 20% less dmg.
however medium armor passive gives 2% extra dmg per piece. meanwhile light gives 900 pen that isn't even 1000.
With enough dmg one can ignore pen right? I have been researching in the forums and i still don't understand why pen is a must have. but yes having 3% extra dmg just from nmg would be great.

MudcrabAttack · February 2022

francesinhalover wrote: »

MudcrabAttack wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

TPishek wrote: »

VO is a bit stronger than Hundings, but with sustain. If you are under penetration, which in dungeons you probably will be, and have plenty of regen you can do New Moon. They'll be roughly the same.

What will be roughly the same?
I have 1500 pen atm

The way balance has been lately weapon damage buffs are pretty close in strength to crit buffs, unless one is very low compared to the other.

On the other hand penetration is usually the single strongest source of damage.

In 4 player dungeons, a stamina sorc would typically be under the penetration cap by quite a bit, tanks who follow a guide are generally providing just enough penetration for the meta mage groups to get by. New moon has 1487 extra pen, and can be crafted in light armor to help build up more penetration, 938 for each light armor piece. There’s a hard penetration cap of 18,200. So with major/minor breach and the crusher enchantment, tanks typically contribute about 11,000. In the next big hybridization patch it could be easier to sustain a dps rotation with new moon if you add more magic skills to the mix

currently with stam - stam regen food i have 1800 stam regen...or was it 1600? anyways, if i have a healer that can restore stamina, i never run out of stamina. with hibridization i will be using more magicka skills yes. but that's where the 5% extra cost might hurt...on my mag bar

From what i understand enemy 500 armor resistance is around 1% less dmg , so a enemy with 10 000 would be 20% less dmg.
however medium armor passive gives 2% extra dmg per piece. meanwhile light gives 900 pen that isn't even 1000.
With enough dmg one can ignore pen right? I have been researching in the forums and i still don't understand why pen is a must have. but yes having 3% extra dmg just from nmg would be great.

The extra 2% damage mentioned for medium armor is 2% more weapon damage. Base (unbuffed) weapon damage might be around 4000 in the dungeon finder, so the 2% extra from medium armor is like another 80 weapon damage.

To figure out how strong the medium armor buff is, divide 80 by the (total buffed weapon damage+ total stamina/10.4). So, going off some old combat metrics data I’ve seen, if total buffed weapon damage was 5800 and stamina was around 35000, it adds about 0.9% to damage. 939 penetration from light armor adds 1.9% to damage.

LashanW · February 2022

francesinhalover wrote: »

I usualy use crit surge, hunters for crit rating or something else, im not sure what aoe to use... Steel tornado? Whirwind? Perhapes next update i can use some mag skill.

Deadly actualy buffs all my skills other than clanfear, but doesnt buff light attacks.

Does pillar bleed stop if boss moves? Or the issue is the boss moving in the 1 second pillar hasnt exploded yet?

Pillar bleed is a small ground AoE DoT. If nothing is standing in that AoE, no damage. It's best used on targets that don't move much. If you are sticking with dual wield, you can use whirling blades as an AoE spammable. I almost never use clannfear in dungeons. Medicore damage from it isn't worth the 2 skill slots. There's more useful stuff to slot.

I personally like to run a 2handed hammer on the front bar, mostly because of master's two hander + brawler combo. It's very strong AND safe on trash fights (or when there are adds near boss) in vet dlc dungeons.

This is the setup I usually run on my stamsorc for dungeons (with bi-stat food),

Crit rate ~ 60%
Crit dmg ~ 100% (self buffed, with warhorn it's near the cap)
Single target penetration is at cap (assuming tank is using pierce armor and crusher enchant)
AoE penetration is 12k+

Next patch I'll replace maelstrom bow with maelstrom inferno for backbar. (easier to weave and easier on sustain). Might probably over sustain but it's safer to always have enough stam to block/dodge stuff.

Vulkunne · February 2022

None of them compare to Medusa, which supports Stam builds now. The only time Medusa would not be a valid choice is when you're in a situation where someone has extreme Crit immunity.

Put Precise on your weapons, get your Crit % to at least 60 % and then use whatever else you want. At this point old sets like Hun Rage... are virtually obsolete. Swap out your Leviathan for Medusa, then see where you are stat wise.

If you still want extra dmg I'd recommend Shacklebreaker. Because higher Mag or Stam gives higher Dmg. That's why people things like Hulk or Necropotence over New Moons or Nightmother. You get the resources and a dmg boost too.

El_Borracho · February 2022

I am assuming you are running Relequen as your body set. Its the standard of almost all PVE stam builds. If you don't have it, get Vicious Ophidian. If you can't get a trial gear set, go with Leviathan. Its the stamina version of Mother's Sorrow.

I agree with @Vulkunne that Medusa would outperform all of the sets you mentioned. That with Relequen would be a strong setup. Its a heavy set, so you should go for weapons and jewels. AY is a strong set (also a heavy set), but better suited for a stamplar or a build that runs Deadly Cloak due to its proc conditions.

Another easy set to get that is pretty strong is Briarheart. Its overland from Wrothgar, so you can buy it at guild traders

With all that said, if you don't have Relequen, if the options are the four sets you mentioned, I'd do Deadly Strike + Leviathan. Deadly is a great set for the skills you are running

I would also run food that is health + stamina, unless you are having a hard time sustaining. In that case, you should at least go with Dubious Camoran Throne.

francesinhalover · February 2022

Vulkunne wrote: »

None of them compare to Medusa, which supports Stam builds now. The only time Medusa would not be a valid choice is when you're in a situation where someone has extreme Crit immunity.

Put Precise on your weapons, get your Crit % to at least 60 % and then use whatever else you want. At this point old sets like Hun Rage... are virtually obsolete. Swap out your Leviathan for Medusa, then see where you are stat wise.

If you still want extra dmg I'd recommend Shacklebreaker. Because higher Mag or Stam gives higher Dmg. That's why people things like Hulk or Necropotence over New Moons or Nightmother. You get the resources and a dmg boost too.

medusa is heavy armor

francesinhalover · February 2022

El_Borracho wrote: »

I am assuming you are running Relequen as your body set. Its the standard of almost all PVE stam builds. If you don't have it, get Vicious Ophidian. If you can't get a trial gear set, go with Leviathan. Its the stamina version of Mother's Sorrow.

I agree with @Vulkunne that Medusa would outperform all of the sets you mentioned. That with Relequen would be a strong setup. Its a heavy set, so you should go for weapons and jewels. AY is a strong set (also a heavy set), but better suited for a stamplar or a build that runs Deadly Cloak due to its proc conditions.

Another easy set to get that is pretty strong is Briarheart. Its overland from Wrothgar, so you can buy it at guild traders

With all that said, if you don't have Relequen, if the options are the four sets you mentioned, I'd do Deadly Strike + Leviathan. Deadly is a great set for the skills you are running

I would also run food that is health + stamina, unless you are having a hard time sustaining. In that case, you should at least go with Dubious Camoran Throne.

Deadly strike on body would also buff pillar of nirn weapons...
the issue is... wouldnt crit be better? atm i only have 40% crit and 84% crit dmg
would leviathan + pillar be stronger than deadly + pillar if i changed thaumaturge to backstabber?
i'm not sure what to do here...

I don't care about trials, i can use rele + kinras + harponers there if my pc doesn't get a bluescreen

Ragnork · February 2022

I have read through this post with interest, one thing I picked up was the OP stated 1500 PEN.
I thought for PVE the minimum needed was 9200 ish.

I have been building my characters with circa 25% Crit and aiming for as level pen as possible, minimum 9000
That way I can run normal dungeons solo and get closer to PEN cap.

Is this wrong should I be more focused on crit for PVE?

francesinhalover · February 2022

Ragnork wrote: »

I have read through this post with interest, one thing I picked up was the OP stated 1500 PEN.
I thought for PVE the minimum needed was 9200 ish.

I have been building my characters with circa 25% Crit and aiming for as level pen as possible, minimum 9000
That way I can run normal dungeons solo and get closer to PEN cap.

Is this wrong should I be more focused on crit for PVE?

Here is what i know.

Ill just say though i got 1 light armor piece instead of full medium and i felt by dmg rise.

Advc yokeda gives 12% crit chance // kinra gives 10% dmg and is slightly stronger. So we know 10% dmg > 12% crit

500 enemy physical res is 1% dmg reduction. So getting 9000 pen is 18% dmg boost.

Lets say minor slayer, it gives 5% extra dmg vs dunge monsters. Heres the issue. What it trully gives is only 3/3.5% because the more dmg you get. The less boost you receive, this doesn't happen with pen however. But it does with medium armor dmg passives.

best i can tell you is to is use at least 2 light pieces, unless your stam sustain is really bad.

Also you heard wrong. For pve the min is 7000 since tanks alone remove 11k . Unless you meant solo.

also https://eso-hub.com/en/sets/twice-fanged-serpent is probably the best pen set there is, you apply a dot and in 5.5 seconds get 5440 pen.

Jaimeh · February 2022

francesinhalover wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

None of them compare to Medusa, which supports Stam builds now. The only time Medusa would not be a valid choice is when you're in a situation where someone has extreme Crit immunity.

Put Precise on your weapons, get your Crit % to at least 60 % and then use whatever else you want. At this point old sets like Hun Rage... are virtually obsolete. Swap out your Leviathan for Medusa, then see where you are stat wise.

If you still want extra dmg I'd recommend Shacklebreaker. Because higher Mag or Stam gives higher Dmg. That's why people things like Hulk or Necropotence over New Moons or Nightmother. You get the resources and a dmg boost too.

medusa is heavy armor

You can use it on jewels/weapons, just like how AY is used, though with medusa front you lose a bit of crit dmg on backbar, but that's not deal breaking.

starkerealm · February 2022

Ragnork wrote: »

I have read through this post with interest, one thing I picked up was the OP stated 1500 PEN.
I thought for PVE the minimum needed was 9200 ish.

I have been building my characters with circa 25% Crit and aiming for as level pen as possible, minimum 9000
That way I can run normal dungeons solo and get closer to PEN cap.

Is this wrong should I be more focused on crit for PVE?

Depends, but no.

You're confusing, "minimum," with, "penetration cap."

Going from memory, most enemies in the game have ~18.5k resists. So, you'd want to reduce that to zero. Penetration subtracts from enemy resists when you deal damage. It's the last reduction applied.

Major and Minor Breach will strip about 9k.

Alkosh can strip up to 6k (though, usually this will be more like 3-4k.)

Crusher will take another 2k (I think, not sure on the number there.)

Any other unnamed debuff that reduces resists on the boss will apply.

Then you'll get what your actual pen cap will be for an encounter (but it will depend on your tank's setup.)

So, realistically, you may only need 4-8k pen, depending on your tank. 1500 is very low, however.

MudcrabAttack · February 2022

francesinhalover wrote: »

I 40% crit chance without pots.
Im not sure what my extra crit dmg is. I think probs 24%(34% with trap beast.)

Everyone gets a base 50% crit multiplier on top of everything else, so if you have 6 medium armor slotted that’s like 12% more crit damage. Barbed trap or tzogvin would add minor force for 10% more. Backstabber is likely the strongest CP you could slot for another 15% as long as you are with a tank and hitting things from behind. So that’s at minimum 87% you can give yourself. It would be 97% with harpooners kilt. Add 12% if you run Sul Xan armor, which is the single highest buffing set as long as something in your vicinity dies every 30 seconds and you don’t mind walking over the shiny spikes. 10% extra if you had a cat instead of an Imp. Shadow mundus would add a lot, but ever since the crit damage cap I don’t bother with it. Everything else like 20% major force, 10% minor brittle, 15% elemental catalyst is kind of out of your hands, I usually aim to have around 100% crit damage for a random group since I don’t like the thought of going over a cap

40% crit chance seems really low, until it’s above 60% you most likely would gain more from crit% buffs rather than weapon damage buffs. I recommend the thief mundus, camouflage hunter for major savagery, daggers or a bow for another 6% crit, 1 piece slimecraw+ harpooners kilt (-or- thrassian stranglers for 4 player dungeons) and perhaps add on light armor for 1% extra crit each in addition to all that extra pen

El_Borracho · February 2022

@francesinhalover 40% is pretty low, if you are running a crit build. To pile onto what @MudcrabAttack said, it could be your mundus, and it should be Thief. Your CP allotment will have a lot to do with it as well. You should max and slot Fighting Finesse and Precision, and maybe Backstabber depending on the content. While PVE pushes crit builds, you can easily run damage builds and put out high DPS. An example is a magplar running War Maiden with Spell Strat. In that case, you might run Warrior or Shadow mundus. Your CP might then be Wrathful Strikes and Untamed Aggression.

If you want to run a bleed build, Deadly + Nirn is one of the best ways to go (you will want to max and slot Thaumaturge). If you want a crit build, Leviathan + Medusa would be the better combo, especially if you are just planning on doing dungeons where the support is less.

francesinhalover · February 2022

MudcrabAttack wrote: »

francesinhalover wrote: »

I 40% crit chance without pots.
Im not sure what my extra crit dmg is. I think probs 24%(34% with trap beast.)

Everyone gets a base 50% crit multiplier on top of everything else, so if you have 6 medium armor slotted that’s like 12% more crit damage. Barbed trap or tzogvin would add minor force for 10% more. Backstabber is likely the strongest CP you could slot for another 15% as long as you are with a tank and hitting things from behind. So that’s at minimum 87% you can give yourself. It would be 97% with harpooners kilt. Add 12% if you run Sul Xan armor, which is the single highest buffing set as long as something in your vicinity dies every 30 seconds and you don’t mind walking over the shiny spikes. 10% extra if you had a cat instead of an Imp. Shadow mundus would add a lot, but ever since the crit damage cap I don’t bother with it. Everything else like 20% major force, 10% minor brittle, 15% elemental catalyst is kind of out of your hands, I usually aim to have around 100% crit damage for a random group since I don’t like the thought of going over a cap

40% crit chance seems really low, until it’s above 60% you most likely would gain more from crit% buffs rather than weapon damage buffs. I recommend the thief mundus, camouflage hunter for major savagery, daggers or a bow for another 6% crit, 1 piece slimecraw+ harpooners kilt (-or- thrassian stranglers for 4 player dungeons) and perhaps add on light armor for 1% extra crit each in addition to all that extra pen

i have tested and thaumaturge gives me 2-3k more dmg than backstabber does

francesinhalover · February 2022

El_Borracho wrote: »

@francesinhalover 40% is pretty low, if you are running a crit build. To pile onto what @MudcrabAttack said, it could be your mundus, and it should be Thief. Your CP allotment will have a lot to do with it as well. You should max and slot Fighting Finesse and Precision, and maybe Backstabber depending on the content. While PVE pushes crit builds, you can easily run damage builds and put out high DPS. An example is a magplar running War Maiden with Spell Strat. In that case, you might run Warrior or Shadow mundus. Your CP might then be Wrathful Strikes and Untamed Aggression.

If you want to run a bleed build, Deadly + Nirn is one of the best ways to go (you will want to max and slot Thaumaturge). If you want a crit build, Leviathan + Medusa would be the better combo, especially if you are just planning on doing dungeons where the support is less.

my spammable is rapid strikes since i hate crystal weapon... so a dot build is probably a good idea...

I plan on running next update

Barbed trap > Rapid strikes > Hurricane > Bound armaments > Volatile Familiar >flawless
Liquid Lightning > Endless hail > Scalding rune > Bound armaments > Volatile Familiar > storm atro

another option

Barbed trap > rapid strikes > ????(mystic orb, mages wrath?) > bound armaments > volatile Familiar > flawless
Endless hail > Liquid Lightning > boundless storm > bound armaments > volatile Familiar > storm atro

hard to say, i thought since my focus in dungeons maybe Leviathan + pillar // leviathan + twice fanged serpent // Twice fanged serpent+pillar // Deadly + pillar // Deadly + Twice fanged serpent ... hard to say
I like pillar but ppl say it's bad if the boss moves and that happens many times

has for cp idk what to use. I have thaumaturge + single target dmg + direct dmg + 10% crit... should i get wraithful strikes instead of 10% crit?

I have thief mundus and 6 medium 1 light. Stormfist monster set.
Is thrassian stranglers better? should i get 5 medium 2 light for extra pen?

I'm a imperial so if a healer gives me some stamina i don't have sustain issues with stam + hp food