As a PvE'r and this PvP event.

drsalvation · February 2022

I hate PvP in this game, I powered through it and made me hate the game and myself, but I finally got all rewards I wanted from it (centurion title, pet lion, gladiator outfits, red dye, and this year I got the laurel achievement in a single day) so I never have to step back in PvP ever again.

But that said, we get PvE events all year long.

PvPers only get 2 events through the whole year, and one of them isn't even PvP oriented (year one celebrates craglorn, wrothgar and imperial city).
I've seen people here in the forums saying that this event should include IC dungeons... Year One event already includes those dungeons.
This event is for PvP'ers, it's the only thing they get in the entire year.
Let them have their fun.

We get events every month, there's nothing wrong with sitting this one out (to be fair, I sit most PvE events out anyway).
Even so, most event quests can be done in a PvE oriented way, repeatables in imperial city are PvE oriented. Rescue citizens just means killing enemies near a citizen, and if you don't care for tel-vars, when players kill you, you get a free fast-travel back to the base to deliver the quest. It's easy to do. Or go to cyrodiil in any of the main cities (Cheydinhall is the nearest if you're in pact, Chorrol is the nearest if you're in Covenant, dunno which one if you're in dominion) Those cities also have repeatable quests which are very easy to do (fetch quests, or kill counts).
This game doesn't punish you at all if you die, so why would it matter if you get killed anyway?

People asking for a PvE version of this event, this IS PvE, it just involves players that can kill you anyway lol. But if there WAS to be a PvE version, shouldn't PvE events get a PvP version too?
I say just let them have their fun, you'll get more events to choose from throughout the entire year anyway.

Jim_Pipp · February 2022

Midyear Mayhem should have a community event element - like the main chapter events a website tracks every players progress, and grants incremental rewards based on the total alliance points earned during the event.

So exactly the same PVP, but instead of being purely competitive, there is an underlying co-operative element.

PVP is a different mindset than PVE, and it isn't fun to get repeatedly killed by an experienced group camping around a quest objective, but if your death helps the whole community towards a bigger goal it will make your death a sacrifice for the greater good.

Just an idea from someone else who does not enjoy this event, but does it anyway.

VaranisArano · February 2022

Unfortunately, the Year One Event doesn't include the Imperial City Dungeons. It should, because past IC events did, but the event did not.

Now, I don't know if that's ZOS' intention going forward, or if it was forced on them by run-stopping bugs with Molag Kena.

But yes, I wholeheartedly agree that Whitestrakes Mayhem is the PVP event and all the activities should be in zones designed for PvPvE.

joerginger · February 2022

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Midyear Mayhem should have a community event element - like the main chapter events a website tracks every players progress, and grants incremental rewards based on the total alliance points earned during the event.

There is nothing to be sold in this event. So since there is no promotion for anything, there's no point in putting a counter for anything anywhere to incentivize players.
Besides, if the counter during the chapter sales promotoion event actually counts anything, that is something only ZOS knows.

AlnilamE · February 2022

VaranisArano wrote: »

Unfortunately, the Year One Event doesn't include the Imperial City Dungeons. It should, because past IC events did, but the event did not.

Now, I don't know if that's ZOS' intention going forward, or if it was forced on them by run-stopping bugs with Molag Kena.

But yes, I wholeheartedly agree that Whitestrakes Mayhem is the PVP event and all the activities should be in zones designed for PvPvE.

Not just Molag Kena, but also the door that gets bugged after the Kentucky Fried Triplets. The room with the 3 waves of portals. I got stuck there more than once where that door doesn't open at all.

SydneyGrey · February 2022

They have two PvP events per year now that are both just like this event (focused on Cyrodiil and Imperial City). Not just one. At first it was once per year, but now it's twice a year.

joerginger · February 2022

Last year it was even worse. We had Imperial City three times. Three times the same zone!

drsalvation · February 2022

lol, all I'm saying is because of PvE'rs who want an alternative PvE version of this event, it seems rather unnecessary to me (as a PvE'r) considering PvP hasn't been getting the love it needs. I know they said no new content for PvP until 'it's fixed' but still some more events for y'all wouldn't be bad, especially for more PvP oriented focus, since even this event's rewards come mostly from quests.

emilyhyoyeon · February 2022

I just don't get why the motif drops come from Imperial City sources only instead of Cyrodiil sources as well

Faulgor · February 2022

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I just don't get why the motif drops come from Imperial City sources only instead of Cyrodiil sources as well

One unfortunate side effect of only having one or two PvP events it that one event has to serve all modes of PvP. And all rewards - tickets, boxes, motifs, etc - have a different source.
Frankly I'm always overwhelmed by Mayhem. I want to enjoy the double AP in Cyrodiil, but I also want the new outfit styles, so I have to farm IC bosses. I don't even have time to enter BGs during the event.

IMO there should be separate events for Cyrodiil, IC and BGs. More events, more focus, more participation.

BronzeCaiman · February 2022

Every aspect of PvP was made free for a reason, its terrible. The most popular PvP streamer who streamed since release left with the release of New World and shows no signs of coming back. PvP is heavily class based IMO and counterplay is non existent against skilled players.

PvP is gankers, 1vXers and Ball Group players, if you are not built for one of those then you will die everywhere, glass cannon builds only exist for Sorcs and Nightblades because of the incredible escapes they have been given.

jaws343 · February 2022

Faulgor wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

I just don't get why the motif drops come from Imperial City sources only instead of Cyrodiil sources as well

One unfortunate side effect of only having one or two PvP events it that one event has to serve all modes of PvP. And all rewards - tickets, boxes, motifs, etc - have a different source.
Frankly I'm always overwhelmed by Mayhem. I want to enjoy the double AP in Cyrodiil, but I also want the new outfit styles, so I have to farm IC bosses. I don't even have time to enter BGs during the event.

IMO there should be separate events for Cyrodiil, IC and BGs. More events, more focus, more participation.

I just spend gold on the style pages, do enough to get a quest done in IC, and spend most of my time getting double ap in Cyrodil or BGs. I will farm telvar in IC while I wait for Cyrodil queues to pop though.

Mik195 · February 2022

I do think that endeavors from pvp should be minimal during this event. I don't think that people that like pvp should have to sit through huge queues to get into pvpland.

hafgood · February 2022

I so love the opinion of players that don't PvP telling those of use that do that what we do is terrible, or that we are gankers, etc.

I've just had an absolutely fabulous evening, we have laughed and we have cried (with laughter) and we have sung our way around Cyrodiil. Bored of defending our keeps we headed north and took keeps and outposts and managed to get a scroll halfway home.

Outrage in zone chat for what we were doing was met with derision. We occupied the enemy and had a laugh doing so.

I truly would recommend those that have never tried PvP to join a PvP guild and give it a go.

We are not a ball group, far far far too indisciplined for that. We were a bunch of guild mates, of friends having a laugh. Give it a go, you don't have to go on mic, but you can enjoy the banner and the laughs all the same.

M_Volsung · February 2022

hafgood wrote: »

Outrage in zone chat for what we were doing was met with derision.

Right there, that's the problem a lot of people have with pvp... I'm willing to bet that what you call outrage is just someone justifiably upset because campers keep ganking them while they just want to turn in a quest and leave.

This just cements my intentions to never engage in pvp ever, I play this game to get away from toxic people, not play with them... if I wanted to do something online that would make me unreasonably angry I'd just go on social media.

Toxic_Hemlock · February 2022

As A PvEr I like this event. I can skip it and not feel like I am losing out, all while getting map completion on an alt.

Let the PvPrs have their fun. Added bonus is I see less dueling, and therefore less effects, around the wayshrines.

edit: spelling

VaranisArano · February 2022

M_Volsung wrote: »

hafgood wrote: »

Outrage in zone chat for what we were doing was met with derision.

Right there, that's the problem a lot of people have with pvp... I'm willing to bet that what you call outrage is just someone justifiably upset because campers keep ganking them while they just want to turn in a quest and leave.

This just cements my intentions to never engage in pvp ever, I play this game to get away from toxic people, not play with them... if I wanted to do something online that would make me unreasonably angry I'd just go on social media.

If you've never engaged in PVP, you might not pick up on what hafgood's group was doing.

hafgood said their group was "Bored of defending our keeps we headed north and took keeps and outposts and managed to get a scroll halfway home."

That's not ganking. That's not interfering with questers.

It's capturing keeps and outposts (which are alliance war objectives where armies of PVPers are supposed to battle it out for victory.) It's nearly capturing an Elder Scroll, which awards a pretty large score buff for their alliance. Questers who want to avoid all PVP usually avoid those places, you know?

As for the outrage, it's probably just bothering the zone generals who want the PUGs heading to their objectives instead of doing their own thing. My guild got that a lot from people outside the guild who thought they should tell us when and where to fight. Sorry, we're a guild, and we fight where we want. Sound familiar?

So even if you hate the ganking or you just want to turn in a quest and leave...I don't understand why you'd point a finger at hafgood's group here. By their account, they weren't ganking. They weren't killing people who wanted to get their quest and leave. There's absolutely nothing toxic about what they did, which is fight like PVPers for PVP objectives.

I'm not saying you have to like PVP. God knows I didn't when I started playing.

I am saying that you might want to reconsider what was described there in light of how PVP actually works, rather than jumping to the worst conclusion or calling people toxic for basically doing completely normal activities in Cyrodiil.

spartaxoxo · February 2022

VaranisArano wrote: »

I am saying that you might want to reconsider what was described there in light of how PVP actually works, rather than jumping to the worst conclusion or calling people toxic for basically doing completely normal activities in Cyrodiil.

I will say all the stuff about laughing at people and deriding them because they were outraged in zone chat could have been better communicated. If your intended audience is someone who doesn't know PVP, just saying pvp things means nothing and they are just gonna pay attention to what they do understand. And making fun of outraged people doesn't really shine a positive light, even though once you understand it comes off a lot better.

Eta

I have pvped so I knew what keeps and such were pvp activities. But I actually didn't get why someone would be bothered by his pvping.

Xandreia_ · February 2022

drsalvation wrote: »

I hate PvP in this game, I powered through it and made me hate the game and myself, but I finally got all rewards I wanted from it (centurion title, pet lion, gladiator outfits, red dye, and this year I got the laurel achievement in a single day) so I never have to step back in PvP ever again.

But that said, we get PvE events all year long.

PvPers only get 2 events through the whole year, and one of them isn't even PvP oriented (year one celebrates craglorn, wrothgar and imperial city).
I've seen people here in the forums saying that this event should include IC dungeons... Year One event already includes those dungeons.
This event is for PvP'ers, it's the only thing they get in the entire year.
Let them have their fun.

We get events every month, there's nothing wrong with sitting this one out (to be fair, I sit most PvE events out anyway).
Even so, most event quests can be done in a PvE oriented way, repeatables in imperial city are PvE oriented. Rescue citizens just means killing enemies near a citizen, and if you don't care for tel-vars, when players kill you, you get a free fast-travel back to the base to deliver the quest. It's easy to do. Or go to cyrodiil in any of the main cities (Cheydinhall is the nearest if you're in pact, Chorrol is the nearest if you're in Covenant, dunno which one if you're in dominion) Those cities also have repeatable quests which are very easy to do (fetch quests, or kill counts).
This game doesn't punish you at all if you die, so why would it matter if you get killed anyway?

People asking for a PvE version of this event, this IS PvE, it just involves players that can kill you anyway lol. But if there WAS to be a PvE version, shouldn't PvE events get a PvP version too?
I say just let them have their fun, you'll get more events to choose from throughout the entire year anyway.

Thankyou for being one of the very few pvers that understand that this is a pvp event

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2022

They should stop adding tickets to the PvP events.

hafgood · February 2022

M_Volsung wrote: »

Right there, that's the problem a lot of people have with pvp... I'm willing to bet that what you call outrage is just someone justifiably upset because campers keep ganking them while they just want to turn in a quest and leave.

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Umm no, thanks for the misinterpretation. A couple of people took offence that we were being proactive and trying to take keeps, outposts and scrolls rather than sitting and defending Faregyl. We had had enough of Faregyl fights and so decided to head north for fun.

There was no one complaining about ganking. They were PvPers doing the moaning not PvErs.

Oh and just to be clear none of it was salty, just a few moans about not needing our scrolls at this point.

hafgood · February 2022

Thank you @VaranisArano for your perfect interpretation of what we were doing. And yes the PvPers telling us not to do what we were doing were some of the armchair generals you get in these events. Won't normally run a group but come MYM they are perfect strategists and anyone not doing it their way gets called put.

Above all we were having fun, ok we got wiped a few times by ball groups but that goes with the territory of venturing behind enemy lines.

And if we killed any questions it would have been in open combat, we don't gank, I think we might have had one nightblade with us but that was it. I think most of the group were on Templars and dks

noblecron · February 2022

I just tried to do pve only stuff in Cyrodiil and between 3 different factions I got ganked harrassed, and someone even said *** you when I asked nicely to let me quest please. I really wish the pvp folk would let pvers quest. What we need is a Pve only server of Cyrodiil. Or even a setting so we can't get attacked but we can't attack others. Or something to give the folk that hate pvp in general. I have friends who won't do this event at all because it's forced pvp so they miss out on tickets.

The only way any change is going ot happen is if heavy pvpers were to start a petition asking for something different for the pvers and that won't happen becuase a lot of the hardcore ones like their ego too much

Toxic_Hemlock · February 2022

noblecron wrote: »

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The only way any change is going ot happen is if heavy pvpers were to start a petition asking for something different for the pvers and that won't happen becuase a lot of the hardcore ones like their ego too much

It won't happen because certain PvPers like farming the PvErs that go into the PvP areas during this event.

You may as well ask a tiger to not eat that tasty looking gazelle over there that happens to be wounded.

I just avoid the whole mess and do my own thing during this events. No tickets, but no teabagging, name calling or ganking either.

edit: clarity

noblecron · February 2022

Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »

noblecron wrote: »

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The only way any change is going ot happen is if heavy pvpers were to start a petition asking for something different for the pvers and that won't happen becuase a lot of the hardcore ones like their ego too much

It won't happen because certain PvPers like farming the PvErs that go into the PvP areas during these events.

You may as well ask a tiger to not eat that tasty looking gazelle over there that happens to be wounded.

I just avoid the whole mess and do my own thing during this events. No tickets, but no teabagging, name callling or ganking either.

Right I agree completely. It'll never happen. Those folk like their ap too much or telvar stones and like their ego stroked

Arunei · February 2022

As a PvEer, I don't mind that PvP has its own events, and agree that there should be a few more so they have more stuff to do. What most PvEers have a problem with isn't the fact that PvP has its own events, which is often what our frustrations get handwaved as. Nor do we tend to care about dying itself, another thing that gets used to dismiss frustrations.

What bothers us is that ZOS forces us into PvP to get tickets and then people decide to act like absolute jerks. There are people who openly brag about camping and frustrating PvEers who just want to turn in a town quest and then leave Cyrodiil. There are the people who somehow act like we're not allowed in Cyro and complain that "all the PvEers are filling the queues and making PvPers have to wait". Yet when it's suggested there be another way of getting tickets, everyone gets up in arms about "no you have to do PvP for tickets!", so like...they don't want us there unless it's to gank us or just to make us do something we don't like? And then you get people in zone yelling about how PvEers are ruining the event because they don't follow orders or know what they're doing.

Like yeah, what do you expect? If ZOS forces us into PvP for tickets your precious zone is going to get overrun, blame ZOS for that instead of making PvEers feel cruddy and want to take part even less than they normally do. If you want people to not be so frustrated by PvP events, don't do or say things that are going to only reaffirm their dislike. And yes, I know it's not all PvPers who behave like that, but it's a big enough number that every PvP event that comes up always has these complaints.

And please don't drop the "but PvPers have to PvE for stuff" line, it doesn't work. ESO is primarily PvE focused, not PvP. Of course you're going to have to interact with PvE if you want a majority of stuff in the game.

Honestly I think a good compromise would just be if the area around quest givers in towns had a safe zone like certain spots in IC do. Yes, you could still get ganked on your way to or from a quest objective or the giver themselves, but at least once you reached the safe spot you'd know you couldn't get nuked halfway in the middle of turning in a quest. This should especially be the case for quest givers that are inside buildings with loading screens. A person could camp inside and kill people trying to come in before they even load.

VaranisArano · February 2022

noblecron wrote: »

I just tried to do pve only stuff in Cyrodiil and between 3 different factions I got ganked harrassed, and someone even said *** you when I asked nicely to let me quest please. I really wish the pvp folk would let pvers quest. What we need is a Pve only server of Cyrodiil. Or even a setting so we can't get attacked but we can't attack others. Or something to give the folk that hate pvp in general. I have friends who won't do this event at all because it's forced pvp so they miss out on tickets.

The only way any change is going ot happen is if heavy pvpers were to start a petition asking for something different for the pvers and that won't happen becuase a lot of the hardcore ones like their ego too much

There is no PVE-only stuff in Cyrodiil. Seriously, the whole zone is PVP-enabled, and those easy quests are easy because the threat is supposed to come from other players.

Also, this is a PVP event. Says so right in the Event Announcement. https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/61615

"BATTLE IN ESO’S PVP MODES & EARN BONUS REWARDS DURING THE WHITESTRAKE’S MAYHEM IN-GAME EVENT"

"Clash with your fellow players across Cyrodiil, the Imperial City, and Battlegrounds as you collect bonus XP, collectibles, and more!"

"During the Whitestrake’s Mayhem event, you can earn up to three Event Tickets per day by completing two different PvP activities:"

Bolded for emphasis. ZoS themselves calls every single ticket activity a PvP activity.

It's not much of a PVP event if ZOS removes the PVP part for folks who want their event tickets without actually playing the event, you know?

I'm sorry you're having a rough experience. I still disagree that ZOS should neuter the PVP celebrations to appeal to players who only set foot in there when bribed with event tickets.

Kwoung · February 2022

BlackArgonian wrote: »

Every aspect of PvP was made free for a reason, its terrible. The most popular PvP streamer who streamed since release left with the release of New World and shows no signs of coming back. PvP is heavily class based IMO and counterplay is non existent against skilled players.

Yeah, I have the same issue with trial teams, those dang skilled players always get picked over me.

VaranisArano · February 2022

Arunei wrote: »

This should especially be the case for quest givers that are inside buildings with loading screens. A person could camp inside and kill people trying to come in before they even load.

As a PVPer, I've been pointing this out for several years. In Cyrodiil, ZOS removed resource tower doors to prevent camping happening there. ZOS hasn't done anything about questgiver buildings. Make of that what you will. If you want to help, I suggest watching for the next time Whitestrake's Mayhem is on PTS and asking ZOS for this feature then when they might actually make changes.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · February 2022

Arunei wrote: »

Honestly I think a good compromise would just be if the area around quest givers in towns had a safe zone like certain spots in IC do. Yes, you could still get ganked on your way to or from a quest objective or the giver themselves, but at least once you reached the safe spot you'd know you couldn't get nuked halfway in the middle of turning in a quest. This should especially be the case for quest givers that are inside buildings with loading screens. A person could camp inside and kill people trying to come in before they even load.

This is why I’ve been recommending scouting quests to people just looking for tickets. There are a lot more places to go, which makes it hard to camp, and the radius you can complete it inside is large, not bottlenecked, and the turn in area is your home base.

Jim_Pipp wrote: »

Midyear Mayhem should have a community event element - like the main chapter events a website tracks every players progress, and grants incremental rewards based on the total alliance points earned during the event.

So exactly the same PVP, but instead of being purely competitive, there is an underlying co-operative element.

PVP is a different mindset than PVE, and it isn't fun to get repeatedly killed by an experienced group camping around a quest objective, but if your death helps the whole community towards a bigger goal it will make your death a sacrifice for the greater good.

Just an idea from someone else who does not enjoy this event, but does it anyway.

This would be cool.

Kalle_Demos · February 2022

Ugh. I've had zero problems participating in this event even tho PVP isn't my cup of tea. I haven't even bothered adjusting my CP. Just sneak and do the dailies. Enemy players won't see you unless they're right on top of you. So much fuss when easy solutions are built in.

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