Please Help Me. I am willing to spend as much time as possible next week to get to this.

Redguards_Revenge · January 2022

I just don't get it, things drop so fast. I now realize I don't know how to play the game. I am willing to come back into ESO for a week if I can get HALF as good as this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byc7eKb0bHM

Please all I want to do is this. Can't spend money though. Not going to spend money. So up to greymoor, how can I get 1/4 this good?

Gleitfrosch · January 2022

Seriously? That is horrible. It's no longer a mmo or eso but a Simon Says simulator with more hud than game.

But I guess people play for different reasons.

Stanx · January 2022

It might take a little longer than a week...

Troodon80 · January 2022

Gleitfrosch wrote: »

Seriously? That is horrible. It's no longer a mmo or eso but a Simon Says simulator with more hud than game.

But I guess people play for different reasons.

You don't actually need the UI to look like that to get to where they are.

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Please all I want to do is this. Can't spend money though. Not going to spend money. So up to greymoor, how can I get 1/4 this good?

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but some of these guys make up part of the Stress Tested group. A score-pushing group on PC-EU. You're not going to get half as good as them without the rest of the group to match.

Because they've got enough burst damage, you can see that they're using Mechanical Acuity on the dedicated DDs and at least the person who opens their inventory is using Saxhleel, War Machine, Balorgh, and Asylum staff and is going DPS as well (just for all those people out there going "Tanks don't do damage!"). Judging from how their health is bouncing around despite there being no incoming damage, the DDs are probably using Simmering Frenzy (Vampire toggle).

In truth, getting as good as this requires that you be flexible and not just copy what others say, but be prepared to deviate from the norm. Test out different builds, and know the inner workings of the game. No one can give you that in a week. No one can really give you that.

Redguards_Revenge · January 2022

Troodon80 wrote: »

Gleitfrosch wrote: »

Seriously? That is horrible. It's no longer a mmo or eso but a Simon Says simulator with more hud than game.

But I guess people play for different reasons.

You don't actually need the UI to look like that to get to where they are.

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Please all I want to do is this. Can't spend money though. Not going to spend money. So up to greymoor, how can I get 1/4 this good?

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but some of these guys make up part of the Stress Tested group. A score-pushing group on PC-EU. You're not going to get half as good as them without the rest of the group to match.

Because they've got enough burst damage, you can see that they're using Mechanical Acuity on the dedicated DDs and at least the person who opens their inventory is using Saxhleel, War Machine, Balorgh, and Asylum staff and is going DPS as well (just for all those people out there going "Tanks don't do damage!"). Judging from how their health is bouncing around despite there being no incoming damage, the DDs are probably using Simmering Frenzy (Vampire toggle).

In truth, getting as good as this requires that you be flexible and not just copy what others say, but be prepared to deviate from the norm. Test out different builds, and know the inner workings of the game. No one can give you that in a week. No one can really give you that.

Good, good, you are breaking the video down for me. All I saw was life, 5 seconds, death. I need more info!!! I can do it in a week. Just need more info. Like how do I throw up the burst that fast? I mean 5 seconds, I am barely getting to my 3rd or 4th skill let excluding bar swap.

Ok so we pretreat the ground with ground AOE,
Then I am guessing Ulti comes in....then what?
If there are sets that are proc'ing with the first hit let me know.
The more I don't have to think about using my bar skills the better.

I want to throw everything I know about this game out the window and DO THIS! Obviously, what I learned over the years was utter trash.

Grandchamp1989 · January 2022

Look at their HP, they're basicly four 100k+ DDs rolling through one of the very (IMO) unbalanced dungeons in the game.
I somehow doubt they would have this luck doing the same with Stone Garden HM with this setup but could be wrong.

In my opinion some of these older dungeon's need to be re-balanced with some more damage over time effects so 3 and 4dd runs isn't the most effective. But that's just me.

Also this group is very elite. trial trifecta elite. When you mix their awesomeness with an unbalanced dungeon this is the result you get on the highest end. 4dds nuking everything.

Arunei · January 2022

Unfortunately OP, a lot of these builds that hit these kinds of numbers hit them in very specific circumstances and with certain group configurations, everyone using very specific skills at specific times. These builds aren't reflective of what an average or casual player is going to be able to do. And as someone else already mentioned, you can copy a build to the T but not be able to hit anywhere near the numbers advertised. This is partly because of that group configuration I mentioned, but also because not every build will work with every player's play style.

That's not to say you CAN'T get that good, but it isn't going to happen in a week, and trying to force yourself into hitting big numbers like that is a good way to turn yourself off the game again. And besides that, you don't really need 120k DPS to do any content in this game. Sure, it might be nice, but you're more likely to get frustrated with a lack of progress if you limit yourself to just one week to improve that much.

mickeyx · January 2022

Gleitfrosch wrote: »

Seriously? That is horrible. It's no longer a mmo or eso but a Simon Says simulator with more hud than game.

But I guess people play for different reasons.

This.

atherusmora · January 2022

Very Impressive, but I agree with what has been said about not being able to do something like this in the more mechanic heavy dungeons. That said, I’d still like to know their set-up and rotation.

Troodon80 · January 2022

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Good, good, you are breaking the video down for me. All I saw was life, 5 seconds, death. I need more info!!! I can do it in a week. Just need more info. Like how do I throw up the burst that fast? I mean 5 seconds, I am barely getting to my 3rd or 4th skill let excluding bar swap.

Ok so we pretreat the ground with ground AOE,
Then I am guessing Ulti comes in....then what?
If there are sets that are proc'ing with the first hit let me know.
The more I don't have to think about using my bar skills the better.

I want to throw everything I know about this game out the window and DO THIS! Obviously, what I learned over the years was utter trash.

I can break down the video because I've seen this stuff and I know what I'm looking for. The thing is, like I said, it's not something someone can give you in a week. Nor, really, something anyone can just give you. Pre-buffing, pre-placing AoEs, then getting sets like War Machine (Major Slayer), Saxhleel+Warhorn/Colossus, etc., then there's the rotations, light attack weaving, swapping bars to make Mechanical Acuity proc only when you want it, etc. This is stuff you learn with years of practice and getting to know the intricacies of the game.

Let's say one of those DDs didn't hit the expected numbers for whatever reason. Let's say the last boss goes into the stomp before the nuke finishes it off and the fight takes 10 seconds longer. Mechanical Acuity (potentially) no longer works under the circumstances and they might be better off looking at something else. That's what they do. This is where the broad so-called "meta" stops being meta and you need to look outside the box. What's meta in a broad or general scenario doesn't mean it will be meta in some other circumstance. This was also demonstrated on the ESO Livestream where it was PC-EU versus PC-NA in Black Drake Villa. PC-NA lost significant time because the timing just didn't work out on Captain Geminus.

Too many go people "this is meta!" and all they've done is pulled it from some content creator without any real context or understanding -- and, for example, many content creators do "trash" (AoE) setups but those rarely if ever get mentioned outside of high-end end-game raiding.

Then there are some key fundamentals that some content creators don't really give you and you have to work it out for yourself. For example, the current meta is Bahsei+[AY/Tzogvin/Medusa/Kinras] for magicka. But how many people who say "this set is meta" go into a fight pre-draining their magicka to ~50%? Almost no one outside the high-end does this. Then there's the matter of actually managing your magicka under a certain percentage to make it worthwhile. If you're oversustaining and rarely drop below 60-70%, you're not getting the best out of it. Which isn't to say Bahsei isn't meta or shouldn't be -- it is for a reason; but like any set, it is meta where it can be used. Same as Kilt. If you're taking damage and can't get above three stacks, go two piece crit or one piece crit and one piece penetration. It requires some thought and engagement on the part of the player, not just a general acceptance.

If the point of the topic is simply "I want to get better at the game" then you need to go back to the fundamentals. In addition to the fundamentals, one thing I would suggest to anyone who wants to experiment without material cost (farming gear, upgrading, transmutes, etc.) is to download the PTS and make a template character. This is what a lot of content creators do. You can try out AoE setups versus single target, burst damage builds, rotations, etc.

ssewallb14_ESO · January 2022

They're optimized for ~15 second burst. Acuity, Balorgh, Colossus, War Machine, Saxhleel, Simmering Frenzy, etc all give you huge damage for a short period of time. You can also more or less ignore sustain since the boss is dead before you're out of resources. Also keep in mind ults are running for pretty much the entire fight when the boss dies that fast.

Varana · January 2022

The good thing about ESO is - short of buying Microsoft, no amount of money you throw at the game will get you to that level.

The sets and skills that they use, are available within a week.
Their experience with how the game works, knowledge of dungeon and character, individual skill and collective teamwork, are not. And these make the majority of why they're so good. You'll need a lot of playtime to get there.

But getting to 1/4 of where they are, is definitely possible - not in a week, but in a reasonable amount of time, if you get a good group. It will look different - you will see boss mechanics, for instance.

Redguards_Revenge · January 2022

Troodon80 wrote: »

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Good, good, you are breaking the video down for me. All I saw was life, 5 seconds, death. I need more info!!! I can do it in a week. Just need more info. Like how do I throw up the burst that fast? I mean 5 seconds, I am barely getting to my 3rd or 4th skill let excluding bar swap.

Ok so we pretreat the ground with ground AOE,
Then I am guessing Ulti comes in....then what?
If there are sets that are proc'ing with the first hit let me know.
The more I don't have to think about using my bar skills the better.

I want to throw everything I know about this game out the window and DO THIS! Obviously, what I learned over the years was utter trash.

I can break down the video because I've seen this stuff and I know what I'm looking for. The thing is, like I said, it's not something someone can give you in a week. Nor, really, something anyone can just give you. Pre-buffing, pre-placing AoEs, then getting sets like War Machine (Major Slayer), Saxhleel+Warhorn/Colossus, etc., then there's the rotations, light attack weaving, swapping bars to make Mechanical Acuity proc only when you want it, etc. This is stuff you learn with years of practice and getting to know the intricacies of the game.

Let's say one of those DDs didn't hit the expected numbers for whatever reason. Let's say the last boss goes into the stomp before the nuke finishies it off and the fight takes 10 seconds longer. Mechanical Acuity (potentially) no longer works under the circumstances and they might be better off looking at something else. That's what they do. This is where the broad so-called "meta" stops being meta and you need to look outside the box. What's meta in a broad or general scenario doesn't mean it will be meta in some other circumstance. This was also demonstrated on the ESO Livestream where it was PC-EU versus PC-NA in Black Drake Villa. PC-NA lost significant time because the timing just didn't work out on Captain Geminus.

Too many go people "this is meta!" and all they've done is pulled it from some content creator without any real context or understanding -- and, for example, many content creators do "trash" (AoE) setups but those rarely if ever get mentioned outside of high-end end-game raiding.

Then there are some key fundamentals that some content creators don't really give you and you have to work it out for yourself. For example, the current meta is Bahsei+[AY/Tzogvin/Medusa/Kinras] for magicka. But how many people who say "this set is meta" go into a fight pre-draining their magicka to ~50%? Almost no one outside the high-end does this. Then there's the matter of actually managing your magicka under a certain percentage to make it worthwhile. If you're oversustaining and rarely drop below 60-70%, you're not getting the best out of it. Which isn't to say Bahsei isn't meta or shouldn't be -- it is for a reason; but like any set, it is meta where it can be used. Same as Kilt. If you're taking damage and can't get above three stacks, go two piece crit or one piece crit and one piece penetration. It requires some thought and engagement on the part of the player, not just a general acceptance.

If the point of the topic is simply "I want to get better at the game" then you need to go back to the fundamentals. In addition to the fundamentals, one thing I would suggest to anyone who wants to experiment without material cost (farming gear, upgrading, transmutes, etc.) is to download the PTS and make a template character. This is what a lot of content creators do. You can try out AoE setups versus single target, burst damage builds, rotations, etc.

Look I was using Daedric Trickery before the buff. So I know about finding metas before others. I see what you mean, some sets can only come from trails, and getting into a trial is a feat on its own.

Let's say we don't include trial sets. What are my options here to get at least 1/4 the output power?

Ok so obviously

#1 Timings
#2 Sets
#3 Skills - excluding the boss mechanics as they don't mean anything if they dropping them before they start!
#4??
#5??
???

I grow tired of the gamut of sets in the game...I grow tired of the constant combat changes in the game..I took a long hiatus...I don't want to be the average joe in the game...I want to get in..BOOM..get out!!!.... I won't spend money to lower the grind and I sure won't spend time. If it won't lower the grind..I was randomly recommended the video on YT...I want to come back and I have a week to show some type of progress like this...

I have seen what is possible, I am willing to use 1 week time 24 hours per day to grind, if you say that's not possible, you are all mistaken....there IS a way to get 1/2 of what they have without the time invested outside of the week. Stop HIDING IT FROM ME AND GIVE ME A SOLUTION!!

Let's start with mechanical acuity...I can get that...I am 9 trait in everything so it's no problem...

I need to know race, class, other sets, etc.

I've learned the game mechanics, they can be washed away by every new set introduced, don't indulge me with anything but the pure solution...the perfected sets if you will.

Yes, I am going to copy and paste it on my character. No actually I am going to delete my character and make it its new class and race..then tweak it a bit with the meta...I am willing to copy the behavior of the top tiers...whether it be lowering magica 50% or doing whatever is counter intuitive of the norm...

I am removing the norm out of me...all I want is top tier.

In that week I can sacrifice everything to make the dream come true...all I want are solutions.

Redguards_Revenge · January 2022

Varana wrote: »

The good thing about ESO is - short of buying Microsoft, no amount of money you throw at the game will get you to that level.

The sets and skills that they use, are available within a week.
Their experience with how the game works, knowledge of dungeon and character, individual skill and collective teamwork, are not. And these make the majority of why they're so good. You'll need a lot of playtime to get there.

But getting to 1/4 of where they are, is definitely possible - not in a week, but in a reasonable amount of time, if you get a good group. It will look different - you will see boss mechanics, for instance.

I am willing to put in 18 to 24 hrs per day for that week. Is it still possible?

Arunei · January 2022

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

The good thing about ESO is - short of buying Microsoft, no amount of money you throw at the game will get you to that level.

The sets and skills that they use, are available within a week.
Their experience with how the game works, knowledge of dungeon and character, individual skill and collective teamwork, are not. And these make the majority of why they're so good. You'll need a lot of playtime to get there.

But getting to 1/4 of where they are, is definitely possible - not in a week, but in a reasonable amount of time, if you get a good group. It will look different - you will see boss mechanics, for instance.

I am willing to put in 18 to 24 hrs per day for that week. Is it still possible?

No.

We're all here telling you that you're setting yourself up for failure if you try to force this kind of improvement within one week. If that's all the time you're willing to give yourself to improve to a notable level...in all honesty it's likely not even worth putting in that week. I don't understand why you're so determined to put this limit on yourself; all it's going to do is frustrate you and turn you away from the game.

The people hitting these numbers are managing it because they've been playing for a long time and they've learned the nuances of the game. And like I already said, a lot of these setups that hit these higher numbers you're after aren't solo builds. They're made for certain group setups where everyone contributes something specific.

Copy+pasting a build someone gives you and sitting in front of a dunmy for a week also won't work. As I said, you can copy every aspect of a build and not come close to hitting the same numbers as another person. It comes down to your timing, how well you can keep up rotations, your situational awareness, the mechanics of any given dungeon, if you're capable of light attack weaving and animation cancelling, and other aspects.

These ARE things you can learn and improve on. No one is hiding anything from you by telling you it simply can't be done in a week. All you're going to improve with this plan is your desire to take a longer hiatus. There isn't a magic bullet solution for what you want, and if you refuse to accept that, there's nothing any of the rest of us can do to help you. If you're going to ignore people advising you that you need to give yourself more time...at that point all we can say is to go look up builds from players like Delta or Alcast (not sure if Delta still plays tbh).

Edit to add this "I'm willing to play 18-24 hours a day this whole week" thing is EXTREMELY unhealthy and a horrible strain on your body for the sake of a video game.

Varana · January 2022

Do you know three other players doing the same?
As many have said, much of their performance is down to perfect teamwork.
How fast are you picking up muscle memory, rhythm, and awareness of what's happening? No idea, but crucial. What about weaving? Training is much more important.

To get 25% as good as them, is entirely possible without chasing the latest top meta. (In fact, it might be better - as Troodon said, some of their strategies and set choices only work when you're already very experienced.) But their performance in this video relies on them having that level of damage. A bit lower, and it looks very different.

But then - "I don't want to spend time, stop hiding it from me"... I'm not sure I want to continue this conversation.

Harvokaan · January 2022

You need to understand couple things about this team:

- You can only hit a certain limit with your own skills. To push it further you need a group support. Without 4 man optimized group you won't see such results. And to find and learn how to play with such ppl, more then one week is needed for sure.
- Their builds can only work when they kill stuff in seconds. Try vamp toggle build with acuity without a healer, good knowledge of toggle, other ppl who are set up for burst and you will fail miserably. With acuity if you cannot kill stuff in 10s you will see huge dps losses pretty quick
- Balrogh ult dump with the toggle is simple way to push enormous dps numbers in first few seconds, you can practice it with semi experienced group in vet non-dlc dungeons with no problems (but you need a group set up for that)
- That kills have forced dps checks, if you fail to kill stuff fast you will probably end up with few deaths here and there that could be avoided
- First find a good end game trial team, push some content with those ppll and later with gear, experience and right ppl you can try stuff like this.

belial5221_ESO · January 2022

Also,numbers are based on total group dps,not single player dps.Each player is only getting like 100-125k dps at end.It is great dps,but a bit misleading when people don't realize that.

Troodon80 · January 2022

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

I see what you mean, some sets can only come from trails, and getting into a trial is a feat on its own.

That wasn't the point of that part of my post. My point about mentioning Bahsei is that everyone wants it because it's meta, without understanding how or why it is meta. Someone said it's meta, therefore they must have it. "All the gear and no idea" as one friend used to so succinctly put it. Described in the question of "When is meta not meta?" Being able to look for alternatives, and why those alternatives might be good or better under very specific circumstances or conditions.

For their group, they've built to something very specific. Which is to say, massive, but short, burst damage. Unless you have a very similar group, getting to that point, or even half as good, simply isn't going to happen.

I'm all in favour of self-improvement and for people to understand how things work, but you limiting yourself to just one week isn't feasible. That's not to say impossible. Just not feasible/realistic. Saying you're willing to go 24/7 isn't going to make it more feasible, and I shouldn't need to point out the medical implications of this... even as soon as the second or third day.

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Stop HIDING IT FROM ME AND GIVE ME A SOLUTION!!

It's what I keep saying. It's practice. Months and years of practice. No one is hiding anything. I've already told you the sets. But I'm also not going to perpetuate the copy/paste that people do from content creators.

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

I have seen what is possible

With months of practice that you don't have. There's no shortcut "win" button. You see one video, but you haven't seen all the failed attempts or the practice runs where they're swapping out gear and testing stuff.

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

if you say that's not possible, you are all mistaken....there IS a way to get 1/2 of what they have without the time invested outside of the week.

You seem really sure of yourself, so good luck with that. I eagerly await the topic in a week saying how much you did.

Mushroomancer · January 2022

Man, this post is pure baiting gold. Screw it, I'll bite.

Out of curiosity, why do you want to achieve that dps in a week?
Besides, it's not gonna happen in a week. Putting aside all the setup in the video and the fact that you're gonna get results like that only with a completely optimized group and in specific dungeons, getting good dps takes a lot of practice, so I don't know, farm sets, hit the dummy, and good luck, I guess.

Ilsabet · January 2022

Okay people let's put this in perspective. Maybe the person of OP's dreams is getting married in a week and they only have that long to prove their worthiness by putting on a dazzling display of otherworldly deeps before their dream of true love is whisked away forever.

OP, I sadly cannot help you win over your true love for I am not that leet, but I do wish you all the best.

markulrich1966 · January 2022

really good answers here.

I will add a less professional one, an example from today.

We ran banished cells 2, two of us only cp200-400 (the DDs), this is a second, new account of mine.
The endboss spawns daedra, if you can't stop them quick enough the game activates hardmode (so by mechanics, not by a scroll).

We got overwhelmed and failed after struggling for 10-15 minutes.

The tank realized the problem (us DDs not yet high enough damage), and relogged in with a DD.
We now finished the boss in maybe a minute.

This is what others talked about, you need to know the mechanics, and set up the group composition accordingly.
The difference looked like magic, my DD friend said "wow, Mark suddenly burned him down", not yet realizing that the tank just switched his setup. It was the common damage of the GROUP, not a single uber-meta setup that turned the tide.

The group in the video has perfected this coordination, you will not achieve the same even with the "best" gear and a "perfect" rotation if you don't train together with your mates.

I also concur with the comments explaining why "meta" often is not the best for many players.
Tried mothers sorrow + Medusa when it was "meta", dropped Medusa again as for my content and my (limited) rotation the set results in less damage as when I use other sets. For a matching player definately a top set, but not for myself.

(edited, typos)

Vevvev · January 2022

Redguards_Revenge wrote: »

Varana wrote: »

The good thing about ESO is - short of buying Microsoft, no amount of money you throw at the game will get you to that level.

The sets and skills that they use, are available within a week.
Their experience with how the game works, knowledge of dungeon and character, individual skill and collective teamwork, are not. And these make the majority of why they're so good. You'll need a lot of playtime to get there.

But getting to 1/4 of where they are, is definitely possible - not in a week, but in a reasonable amount of time, if you get a good group. It will look different - you will see boss mechanics, for instance.

I am willing to put in 18 to 24 hrs per day for that week. Is it still possible?

Please don't hurt yourself like that. You need lots of time to digest and understand what it is you've done. Think of your battles, experiment with different abilities and morphs, and give yourself plenty of time to sleep. Also take the time to stand up and walk around because it helps blood flow that in turn helps thinking, which goes back to the first thing of think on your battles.

Also there's the thing of getting the gold, materials, gear, and RNG needed to acquire the things you need in a decent amount of time. A week is just not long enough to really get good.

Also as for health.... I know this is a clickbaity video title, but it's super informative about why you don't wanna be pouring so much time into sitting still and gaming. (In the spoiler)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY-k_YVkRKs

Everest_Lionheart · January 2022

Big deeps requires so much more than slapping on the most popular sets and playing hours upon hours of content. I has its moments but comes with many mundane hours beating on a dummy that doesn’t fight back just so you can click a few milliseconds faster to squeeze out a little more damage. Except the real catch is you need other players willing to optimize their gear along with you who can also click a few milliseconds faster finding 3 for a dungeon is rare, finding 11 for trials is like finding a unicorn.

The level you see in that video, those are unicorns, but don’t let that get you down. You will still want to practice on that dummy to make your rotations second nature, but you will also want to partake in the hard content with a consistent group that you get along well with that doesn’t take themselves too seriously. Getting to that level you are going to have several trifecta runs go horribly wrong at the worst possible times. It’s not every group that can go out there and get things like Beast or Worm personality. I’ve been with groups that got both in a single run and groups that struggled to get past the indrick boss in vMoS. What both groups had in common though was we played the game and had a good time.

In short, play the game to have fun, learn the mechs along the way and eventually you will know which you can burn through and which require attention. Before you can burn through them you need to know exactly what it is you are skipping. And for what it’s worth that dungeon doesn’t require a nuke like that to get the trifecta, just smart play and knowing how to position and prioritize targets. I got mine in there with the standard 1T 1H and 2DD setup. Though will admit the 3DD route is a much faster and easier burn.

Tannus15 · January 2022

If you want a 1 week goal of "getting better" at ESO, then go for a 600k score in vMA.

You'll need to have the right sets and good dps etc, but all the group requirements are gone so it's just you and the arena.