We need a "respawn now" button in many delves

FlopsyPrince · January 2022

Some delves have bosses (and mobs for that matter, respawning almost immediately. Other ones seem to take forever.

Can we please get a "respawn now" button or similar item to get a main character to respawn?

We just had 6-7 players standing around in Tor-Hame-Khard waiting for the lady by the sea pearl to spawn.

Arunei · January 2022

I think for delves and public dungeons with more than one boss, it's random which one is spawned at any given time, unless that mechanic has been changed or removed. I'm pretty sure they also spawn roughly every five minutes like other bosses (such as WBs), so if you're waiting at Spawn Point A and the boss hasn't spawned in 6 or more minutes, you might wanna check the other spawn spots.

As for when bosses seem to spawn super quickly, for delves at least bosses will spawn even before five minutes if a player who hasn't beaten them yet enters their spawn zone.

lillybit · January 2022

It used to be that way in Cyro delves but was changed to match normal delves and PDs a while ago. They're all on a 5 minute timer now. If someone comes along who hasn't cleared it yet it'll respawn immediately so for farming leads it helps to have a friend along on an alt who hasn't done it. If they lurk in the corner and don't get a hit in the boss will keep spawning really quickly.

Mushroomancer · January 2022

What I would like to see is some sort of timer, be it proper numbers, or even just graphical (the boss icon filling slowly or something like that, I don't know), letting us know how long it will take for the boss to spawn.
I'm guessing there's some addon for this, but none that I know of, so let me know if that's a thing.

FlopsyPrince · January 2022

Arunei wrote: »

I think for delves and public dungeons with more than one boss, it's random which one is spawned at any given time, unless that mechanic has been changed or removed. I'm pretty sure they also spawn roughly every five minutes like other bosses (such as WBs), so if you're waiting at Spawn Point A and the boss hasn't spawned in 6 or more minutes, you might wanna check the other spawn spots.

As for when bosses seem to spawn super quickly, for delves at least bosses will spawn even before five minutes if a player who hasn't beaten them yet enters their spawn zone.

True, but this was the delve in Summerset and a key part of the questline for the delve. 2 "boss" characters in the delve.

AlnilamE · January 2022

When the boss respawns almost immediately (45 seconds, I believe), it's because someone who doesn't have the achievement for that delve entered the room. Otherwise they are on the normal timer (I think 5 minutes?).

bmnoble · January 2022

They need to stop bottle necking leads behind a single delve boss or source in general.

Make it so any delve boss in the zone can drop the relevant lead so that people spread out and you don't have groups forming around a single boss to wait for it to respawn.

Nanfoodle · January 2022

People die in delves?

kargen27 · January 2022

Respawn now button would be abused.

vsrs_au · January 2022

It would kill the realism/immersion.

hafgood · January 2022

This would be so abused, insta respawn of any delve boss? As soon as killed respawn and kill again, over and over racking up huge amounts of xp.

Only way this could possibly work is if the insta respawns gave no xp, no gear, no gold but can give a lead

JKorr · January 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Some delves have bosses (and mobs for that matter, respawning almost immediately. Other ones seem to take forever.

Can we please get a "respawn now" button or similar item to get a main character to respawn?

We just had 6-7 players standing around in Tor-Hame-Khard waiting for the lady by the sea pearl to spawn.

Better 6-7 players waiting than a large ball o'bots waiting to kill the boss the instant it respawns. In the beginning there were many complaints about groups of bots waiting to insta-kill bosses for loot. My favorite memory of an early dungeon was having a GM spawn in looking like a ghost/transparent, and saying "Everyone who isn't a bot, move to my side of the room." All the players who were trying to finish the dungeon/quest did, and he nuked all the bots so we had a chance at the boss. Fast spawning bosses are not necessarily a good thing.

FlopsyPrince · January 2022

The game should be built around player enjoyment not bot prevention.

Lots of ways to fix that here.

- Make the button work only when someone with a quest to kill that boss is present.
- Only show the button after 1 minutes
- Etc.

Find other ways to find and remove bots.

Gleitfrosch · January 2022

I say no, the game is fast enough and the last thing I want to see in a delve is some boss vending machine which spits out bosses after you push a button.

AlnilamE · January 2022

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

The game should be built around player enjoyment not bot prevention.

Lots of ways to fix that here.

- Make the button work only when someone with a quest to kill that boss is present.
- Only show the button after 1 minutes
- Etc.

Find other ways to find and remove bots.

But your enjoyment is another person's annoyance. Imagine I'm exploring a zone and I clear a delve, get the skyshard, kill the boss, and then I haven't even left the room and the boss has already respawned. [snip]? What am I even doing in this world?

The respawn timer is of a reasonable length. It's long enough that someone clearing the zone can leave the area before the boss respawn, but short enough that you can actually stay and wait if you want to kill the boss multiple times (and there are ways to make it go faster if you insist) If you are doing a daily and other players are there and you are worried about not getting credit, you can group with them and get credit for the quest even if you don't get a hit in.

If you feel like having a respawn timer added to the API for World bosses near you, or the boss in the delve that you are in, that's a suggestion to bring up to ZOS.

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Adremal · January 2022

kargen27 wrote: »

Respawn now button would be abused.

Probably, but only by botters who by definition already abuse the game. The loot timer would stay in place, saving people endless idling in kill boss X kind of quests. I dare not think the amount of time I lost staring at a boss's spawning location, even frantically spamming AoE's and be ready to drop a meteor on the spawn in case of the spot being heavily camped by people eager to get credit.

FlopsyPrince · January 2022

AlnilamE wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

The game should be built around player enjoyment not bot prevention.

Lots of ways to fix that here.

- Make the button work only when someone with a quest to kill that boss is present.
- Only show the button after 1 minutes
- Etc.

Find other ways to find and remove bots.

But your enjoyment is another person's annoyance. Imagine I'm exploring a zone and I clear a delve, get the skyshard, kill the boss, and then I haven't even left the room and the boss has already respawned. [snip]? What am I even doing in this world?

The respawn timer is of a reasonable length. It's long enough that someone clearing the zone can leave the area before the boss respawn, but short enough that you can actually stay and wait if you want to kill the boss multiple times (and there are ways to make it go faster if you insist) If you are doing a daily and other players are there and you are worried about not getting credit, you can group with them and get credit for the quest even if you don't get a hit in.

If you feel like having a respawn timer added to the API for World bosses near you, or the boss in the delve that you are in, that's a suggestion to bring up to ZOS.

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I said "delves" in the OP.

Your problem can be avoided. I was responding to the claim that it would only help bots.

In your situation you could camp the spot and keep others from getting the boss to come up.

Cyrodill is a good place to see the variance in spawn times. Try to kill Basratti (sp?) and you may die of boredom. Try to get the boss in another delve and he may respawn before you can run away.

phaneub17_ESO · January 2022

That one guy who gets tired of waiting runs off to kill some trash mobs, comes back and just misses the respawn now has to wait another 5 minutes because they took off for a brief moment. Partially my fault because as soon as the boss respawned knowing full well that other guy was also waiting, I go ALL OUT wiping them as quickly as possible preventing any chance of them to make a tag on their return.

hafgood · January 2022

Basratti is the one boss I can agree needs the respawn mechanic looking at. Last time I had that quest my son left school, and did 3 years at uni before she spawned

Ascarl · January 2022

The long respawn dates back to the times the loot was worth something. As most overland loot is now worthless and there is some timer on how often you can loot a specific boss*, quicker respawns should be a no brainer in IMHO.

* you can easily verify on open dungeon bosses. If you kill the same boss within a few minutes you will only get a few coins but no items.

jle30303 · January 2022

I believe the boss you are talking about is Justiciar Avanaire, who is a quest boss, NOT the actual delve boss. Killing Avanaire has nothing to do with completing the delve, she is only for the "Pearls before Traitors" quest.

This is why she does not instantly spawn even if a person who hasn't completed the quest - or the delve - shows up: not being a dungeon boss of any kind, she does not go by dungeon boss respawning mechanics. Also, if there is an antique lead which demands a "Delve Boss" to drop it, SHE WILL NOT DROP IT.

ONLY "The Kurgando", a yaghra monstrosity in a different location, is the delve boss in Tor-Hame-Khard. That is the boss you should be camping for any leads which drop from delve bosses in Summerset.

FlopsyPrince · January 2022

jle30303 wrote: »

I believe the boss you are talking about is Justiciar Avanaire, who is a quest boss, NOT the actual delve boss. Killing Avanaire has nothing to do with completing the delve, she is only for the "Pearls before Traitors" quest.

This is why she does not instantly spawn even if a person who hasn't completed the quest - or the delve - shows up: not being a dungeon boss of any kind, she does not go by dungeon boss respawning mechanics. Also, if there is an antique lead which demands a "Delve Boss" to drop it, SHE WILL NOT DROP IT.

ONLY "The Kurgando", a yaghra monstrosity in a different location, is the delve boss in Tor-Hame-Khard. That is the boss you should be camping for any leads which drop from delve bosses in Summerset.

That is why I used the term "main character" in the OP.

Why can't I just kill the pearl sitting there?

starkerealm · January 2022

hafgood wrote: »

Basratti is the one boss I can agree needs the respawn mechanic looking at. Last time I had that quest my son left school, and did 3 years at uni before she spawned

I've never had an issue with Barasatii not spawning... That said, it's distinctly possible that Nisin is bugged, and the bosses still have to spawn one at a time.