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TESO open letter
Peritye
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Here I am going to share some stuff I expect and some I would like to see implemented.
Lets start by saying, eso is not a free game. People payed monthly so that it would stay alive after its rocky launch. After that the game became a 1 time purchase... Great, but its still a fan service game and those games are supposed to be free like fortnite and apex legends.
There is no problem with that, only the lackluster of rewards in the game. Playing the story is fun, but every quests give you mediocre gold that means nothing in the actual community prices and an item for you to sell or destroy.
We have many dlcs, many zones and what do they bring? (Except the hours of rp) Barely anything.
I remember finding a scryable tattoo in a cave and got super excited! Because thats the reward we are looking for in video games, not paying 30 dollars for a horse, but actually acquiring one through some work. The crown store shouldnt be their main focus, it should be for whales to show off.
You should be able to buy a Guar in Morrowind, a Bear in Wrothgar, a Senche in Valenwood and a Senche Rhat in Elsweyr. Stuff like that. Make them expensive, who cares, at least people will grind for a mount and you can still sell your magickal stuff in the crown store. These stuff isnt even meant for me, I got tons of mounts, I bought every zone dlc because I dont want to activate eso+ whenever I want to play and I got everything I need. But please for the love of Azura, let people have fun and work towards something! I remember the OG game before one tamriel and being lvl 20 and killing a crocodile or dreugh in Shadowfen was a huge achievement. There is nothing now, just empty dialogues to immerse yourself in. No hardships, cus you just have to find strong people and every trial becomes easy. I dont want to look for a challenge, I want to be cornered and have to try to survive and I want rewards for surviving!
Next point: Base Game. You guys have done so much work with the dlcs and as you have said every time you finish one you have to go ahead and start working on the next. Its going to be Alikr, but these yearly things could change, we dont need 4 dlcs not for free per year, because the whole team is going to get burned out and the game will become lazy. Please consider going back to the base game and doing stuff like modders would do. Retextures to be on par with the new content, check out the OG concept art and try to redo the vanilla armors and weapons to not be skin but actually armor.
Also the animations could use a rework, there are so many fun emotes npc do while holding weapons, weapons need new idle and moving animations because no one holds a battle axe like that and the only people who would hold a two handed sword like that would be for katanas.
Next point: monitization. Its getting out of hand. The new mechanic is indeed very nice, but having to pay 15 dollars or so for a new armory slot? Its like we could only extend our inventory or bank space by crowns, let there be a crown version, sure. You already made the decision to capitalize on newbies making them think curses are for crowns only, but let us buy a slot for 100k or something.
Gold, Crowns, Gems, Tokens. Its getting too much and the only people who get enough gems are whales either way. I think remove either tokens or gems and make the dailies give gems or the crown item extraction give tokens. ALSO!!! Please let us convert our unwanted items we got from the crowns. We payed for those crates, we got garbage but its our decision. There is no problem in letting us sell back a random opossum that I will never use and I could buy something cool with it. "Oh but I would lose money" you say. Nope. You would encourage more people to buy crates to get stuff they want and trust me, Gatcha games are free because whales are honored for supporting the game. ESO is huge, it will stay afloat, and no one needs a billion dollars.
1 million seconds is 3 days
1 billion seconds is 31 years
We play the game, we support it and we make a community no other game has ever had before with the kindness of strangers. So please consider this open letter.
Edited by Peritye on December 17, 2021 6:35PM Lets start by saying, eso is not a free game. People payed monthly so that it would stay alive after its rocky launch. After that the game became a 1 time purchase... Great, but its still a fan service game and those games are supposed to be free like fortnite and apex legends.
There is no problem with that, only the lackluster of rewards in the game. Playing the story is fun, but every quests give you mediocre gold that means nothing in the actual community prices and an item for you to sell or destroy.
We have many dlcs, many zones and what do they bring? (Except the hours of rp) Barely anything.
I remember finding a scryable tattoo in a cave and got super excited! Because thats the reward we are looking for in video games, not paying 30 dollars for a horse, but actually acquiring one through some work. The crown store shouldnt be their main focus, it should be for whales to show off.
You should be able to buy a Guar in Morrowind, a Bear in Wrothgar, a Senche in Valenwood and a Senche Rhat in Elsweyr. Stuff like that. Make them expensive, who cares, at least people will grind for a mount and you can still sell your magickal stuff in the crown store. These stuff isnt even meant for me, I got tons of mounts, I bought every zone dlc because I dont want to activate eso+ whenever I want to play and I got everything I need. But please for the love of Azura, let people have fun and work towards something! I remember the OG game before one tamriel and being lvl 20 and killing a crocodile or dreugh in Shadowfen was a huge achievement. There is nothing now, just empty dialogues to immerse yourself in. No hardships, cus you just have to find strong people and every trial becomes easy. I dont want to look for a challenge, I want to be cornered and have to try to survive and I want rewards for surviving!
Next point: Base Game. You guys have done so much work with the dlcs and as you have said every time you finish one you have to go ahead and start working on the next. Its going to be Alikr, but these yearly things could change, we dont need 4 dlcs not for free per year, because the whole team is going to get burned out and the game will become lazy. Please consider going back to the base game and doing stuff like modders would do. Retextures to be on par with the new content, check out the OG concept art and try to redo the vanilla armors and weapons to not be skin but actually armor.
Also the animations could use a rework, there are so many fun emotes npc do while holding weapons, weapons need new idle and moving animations because no one holds a battle axe like that and the only people who would hold a two handed sword like that would be for katanas.
Next point: monitization. Its getting out of hand. The new mechanic is indeed very nice, but having to pay 15 dollars or so for a new armory slot? Its like we could only extend our inventory or bank space by crowns, let there be a crown version, sure. You already made the decision to capitalize on newbies making them think curses are for crowns only, but let us buy a slot for 100k or something.
Gold, Crowns, Gems, Tokens. Its getting too much and the only people who get enough gems are whales either way. I think remove either tokens or gems and make the dailies give gems or the crown item extraction give tokens. ALSO!!! Please let us convert our unwanted items we got from the crowns. We payed for those crates, we got garbage but its our decision. There is no problem in letting us sell back a random opossum that I will never use and I could buy something cool with it. "Oh but I would lose money" you say. Nope. You would encourage more people to buy crates to get stuff they want and trust me, Gatcha games are free because whales are honored for supporting the game. ESO is huge, it will stay afloat, and no one needs a billion dollars.
1 million seconds is 3 days
1 billion seconds is 31 years
We play the game, we support it and we make a community no other game has ever had before with the kindness of strangers. So please consider this open letter.
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Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭I'm not sure you know how overhead works.
If I like something, I don't mind paying a fair price. Fair price is subjective. Some consider what we're paying a fair price, and some won't.
Work it out for yourself.8 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'd be careful with the word petition around here as they're against forum rules.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
Peritye✭✭✭Bradyfjord wrote: »I'm not sure you know how overhead works.
If I like something, I don't mind paying a fair price. Fair price is subjective. Some consider what we're paying a fair price, and some won't.
Work it out for yourself.
clearly didnt read the whole thing.5 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah, I got in trouble for joking about signing a petition a long time ago and the moderator sent me a PM after editing my post to no longer include the joke.
Spoiler includes the rule and link to it.https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502831/community-rules
Petitions and Protests: We do not allow petitions or protests on our forums. Due to the fact that both promote the use of demands and replies that consist of “/signed” or little else, we feel that neither encourage nor allow for meaningful and constructive discussion. Instead of using a petition or protest, we recommend presenting your thoughts as a request or suggestion so everyone in the community can discuss it.Edited by Vevvev on December 17, 2021 7:01PMPC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK6 -
Khenarthi✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am fine with the game's current rewards, difficulty, and release calendar (personally I do not care much for trials or dlc dungeons, but it's fair that a large part of the playerbase enjoys those).
What do you expect to achieve with that massive post?PC-EU8 -
Khenarthi✭✭✭✭✭
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The text you wrote about the game rewards, and crown store, and whales, and release of DLC and going back to basegame development, and other games. Which has now been edited I see. What do you expect to achieve with it?PC-EU5 -
Jeffrey530✭✭✭✭[snip]Great, but its still a fan service game and those games are supposed to be free like fortnite and apex legends.
Eso is not a fan service game, it is a proper mmorpg made with one of the most attractive IP (elder scrolls), and is no different to other elderscrolls games, unless in your definition es2-5 are all fan service games to the original elderscrolls lmao.
Also seriously? comparing eso with fortnite and apex legends, all three games are in different genres you know.
[Edited for Rude Comments]Edited by Psiion on December 17, 2021 8:14PM15 -
Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can't believe some are asking for the contents of the OP's post.
Learn to speed read guys...you skip every third word
I agree with some of your points, OP and I have made similar statements in the past.
I'll tell you what; from some newer players I have met, well they don't have the funds to play this game properly.
Take roleplayers (real ones with stories) for example:
Many don't have DLC and we get stuck in vanilla areas
Food for thought.3 -
Alarde✭✭✭I agree with most of your points, but they are unrealistic for the current state of the game. Most people really don't care for improvement, because they got tamed with time to go with what the dev team currently gives.
Also, don't expect to achieve much with suggestions via forum posts honestly. Recently we all got the confirmation that devs don't bother with this place, so we stick with the cringe and alienated of the community.2 -
HybridFreak✭✭✭While a lot of that would be nice, at this point I'd be happy with them just fixing everything that's bugged and broken.1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Great, but its still a fan service game and those games are supposed to be free like fortnite and apex legends.
Says who?We have many dlcs, many zones and what do they bring? (Except the hours of rp) Barely anything.
Okay, what is with this recent thing of people labeling questing and other PvE content as "RP".
"RP" is people acting stuff out themselves. It's several people standing around a bar talking about things in character. Etc. Questing, dungeons, and dailies, are not RP. At least not the way the term's been used for the past decade and a half in MMOs.I remember finding a scryable tattoo in a cave and got super excited! Because thats the reward we are looking for in video games, not paying 30 dollars for a horse, but actually acquiring one through some work. The crown store shouldnt be their main focus, it should be for whales to show off.
So, basically, the whole first bit is just that what you expect from "content releases" is Fortnite-style Battlepass cosmetics to collect. Not zones, quests, lore, etc.Please consider going back to the base game and doing stuff like modders would do.
Eh, no thanks.Retextures to be on par with the new content, check out the OG concept art and try to redo the vanilla armors and weapons to not be skin but actually armor.
Also, after they reworked one of the original armors, and people screamed up a storm about it being changed, they made a policy of "we will not go back and rework old stuff".
Edited by Kiralyn2000 on December 17, 2021 8:20PM10 -
Necrotech_Master✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭about a few of the points:
having all of the content being specific levels is not really good for long term MMO growth
back in the old days, when say you were AD and khenarthis roost was level 1-5, you never went back there once you were level 20, now you can go back there and kill stuff or farm and still you know get credit for everything (the mobs are still more sparse)
that point also works in reverse, as AD you were FORCED to go through content in a certain linear path because of level gates, what if you started AD but wanted to work through the DC zones? well you had to wait until you were like vet level 6 before you even got to DC zones under the level-based zones
monetization, i dont fully agree that monetization is out of hand, but i also do agree that certain things are VERY overpriced (mundus stones for houses, outfit/armory slots are a huge waste, some of the other "special" furnishings like the aetherial well, vampire dummy and basin of loss, etc)
i dont really see a problem with most of the currency either, the ones i have the biggest issue with are transmute stones, and crown gem/endeavor seals
transmute stones: the problem i have is the absolutely nonsense cap, there is no reason they should be capped, they literally do not help anyone but your own account (transmuting or recreating automatically binds the item to your account), so the cap does nothing but force poeple to "store" or "burn off" extra transmutes because of the artificial cap
crown gems/endeavor seals: the only possible reason i could see this is because purchasing power of gems is significantly higher, however the endeavor rewards could still be scaled so you would only have 1 resource (instead of 2 separate pools, one earned from crates and one from "active gameplay" that cannot be shared to pool together to buy something)
the other thing i would have to say is the only other game i saw good community support (players and devs) was when i played city of heroes/villains (i played that for 7 years until it got shut down, but the shutdown didnt stop the community from continuing to support it lol)plays PC/NA
handle @Necrotech_Master
active player since april 2014
i have my main house (grand topal hideaway) listed in the housing tours, it has multiple target dummies, scribing altar, and grandmaster stations (fully filled out with current game), as well as almost every antiquity furnishing on display to preview them
in progress: acquiring mundus stones (currently only have the thief)
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Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Also, after they reworked one of the original armors, and people screamed up a storm about it being changed, they made a policy of "we will not go back and rework old stuff".
Unless it's bugged and broken.... although some things like the Dark Passions Regalia have pulling and tearing bugs that still remain unchanged.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK1 -
Jeffrey530✭✭✭✭I agree with some of your points, OP and I have made similar statements in the past.
I'll tell you what; from some newer players I have met, well they don't have the funds to play this game properly.
Take roleplayers (real ones with stories) for example:
Many don't have DLC and we get stuck in vanilla areas
Food for thought.
I never understand these arguments, because some people can't afford dlc zones, they should be free or given to them without any profit made???
Maybe video gaming shouldn't be a priority for these people lol.7 -
Peritye✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
Okay, what is with this recent thing of people labeling questing and other PvE content as "RP".
"RP" is people acting stuff out themselves. It's several people standing around a bar talking about things in character. Etc. Questing, dungeons, and dailies, are not RP. At least not the way the term's been used for the past decade and a half in MMOs.
Bro, what do you thing MMORPG means? ROLEPLAYING GAME. You play as a character and roleplay as you play the story. Skyrim is an rpg. You roleplay as the dragonborn, eso is an mmorpg, you roleplay as the Vestige while playing online.
Most of your replies are "says who?" Bro fan service games are games with microtransactions that keep updating. Thats why its a fan service game, the only difference is we pay for each new dlc thats smaller than any game and costs full price.
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Peritye✭✭✭Jeffrey530 wrote: »
I never understand these arguments, because some people can't afford dlc zones, they should be free or given to them without any profit made???
Maybe video gaming shouldn't be a priority for these people lol.
Who said that? Literally who said that? I said in my post I bought ALL ZONE DLCS. [snip]
[Edited for Baiting]
Edited by Psiion on December 17, 2021 10:20PM2 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bro, what do you thing MMORPG means? ROLEPLAYING GAME. You play as a character and roleplay as you play the story. Skyrim is an rpg. You roleplay as the dragonborn, eso is an mmorpg, you roleplay as the Vestige while playing online.
Most people playing "RPGs" aren't doing a lot of roleplaying. And many RPGs don't have a lot of opportunity for actual roleplaying - no chances for characterization, no choices... just lots of "RPG mechanics" like classes, levels, stats, skilltrees, gear, etc.
Heck, a lot of people who play tabletop RPGs don't do much roleplaying, but rather roll-playing (i.e, using skills, rolling dice, doing combat. Not being in character, not acting like their characters, etc - just moving game pieces around on a map and fighting stuff. Even when they use skills, it's just "My character convinces him to help us. <rolls Persuasion>" rather than actually describing what they do & how they do it. All dice & book rules, no roleplaying needed.)
Why do you think that WoW had separate "RP" servers, apart from the PvE and PvP ones? To cater to the people who actually wanted to RP. Just playing an RPG isn't "RP"ing.Most of your replies are "says who?" Bro fan service games are games with microtransactions that keep updating. Thats why its a fan service game, the only difference is we pay for each new dlc thats smaller than any game and costs full price.
What even is this "fan service game" thing you're throwing around. You're the first person I've ever seen say it like that.
Most previous mentions of "fan service" is about shows tossing out boobs and panty shots to 'service' the 'fans'. Even in gaming, I've only seen it used to refer to gratuitous T&A games. You know, fanservice.Edited by Kiralyn2000 on December 17, 2021 11:02PM7 -
Jeffrey530✭✭✭✭Jeffrey530 wrote: »
I never understand these arguments, because some people can't afford dlc zones, they should be free or given to them without any profit made???
Maybe video gaming shouldn't be a priority for these people lol.
Who said that? Literally who said that? I said in my post I bought ALL ZONE DLCS. [snip]
[Edited for Baiting]
Read my post lill thats a reply to youyouz06, so literally someone said that.2 -
Jeffrey530✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
Okay, what is with this recent thing of people labeling questing and other PvE content as "RP".
"RP" is people acting stuff out themselves. It's several people standing around a bar talking about things in character. Etc. Questing, dungeons, and dailies, are not RP. At least not the way the term's been used for the past decade and a half in MMOs.
Bro, what do you thing MMORPG means? ROLEPLAYING GAME. You play as a character and roleplay as you play the story. Skyrim is an rpg. You roleplay as the dragonborn, eso is an mmorpg, you roleplay as the Vestige while playing online.
Most of your replies are "says who?" Bro fan service games are games with microtransactions that keep updating. Thats why its a fan service game, the only difference is we pay for each new dlc thats smaller than any game and costs full price.
That's not even the definition of fan service game lmao. Go read up on what it actually means.
Literally in wikipaedia:Fan service (ファンサービス, fan sābisu), fanservice or service cut (サービスカット, sābisu katto),[1][2] is material in a work of fiction or in a fictional series that is intentionally added to please the audience,[3] often sexual in nature, such as nudity.The term originated in Japanese[6][7] in the anime and manga fandom, but has been used in other languages and media. It is about "servicing" the fan[8] – giving the fans "exactly what they want
edit: definition of fan service in case op still want to argueEdited by Jeffrey530 on December 18, 2021 12:13AM1 -
hafgood✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have never roleplayed in this game, I do not roleplay a dragon born or the vestige, never have, never will.
I have RP'd in PBM's but that's because of how they worked.
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Pixiepumpkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭role playing games do not mean you "role playing", but you still role play as a character. u are a dragon knight, a wizard, a bard, you are that role
"Class identity isn’t just about power or efficiency. It’s about symbolic clarity, mechanical cohesion, and a shared visual and tactical language between players." - sans-culottes0 -
Nisekev✭✭✭✭I'm with you on this topic. The atmosphere is down the drain and monetization is out of hand. Though it's not "fan service game", it's just "service game".3 -
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✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »
Okay, what is with this recent thing of people labeling questing and other PvE content as "RP".
"RP" is people acting stuff out themselves. It's several people standing around a bar talking about things in character. Etc. Questing, dungeons, and dailies, are not RP. At least not the way the term's been used for the past decade and a half in MMOs.
Bro, what do you thing MMORPG means? ROLEPLAYING GAME. You play as a character and roleplay as you play the story. Skyrim is an rpg. You roleplay as the dragonborn, eso is an mmorpg, you roleplay as the Vestige while playing online.
Most of your replies are "says who?" Bro fan service games are games with microtransactions that keep updating. Thats why its a fan service game, the only difference is we pay for each new dlc thats smaller than any game and costs full price.
To be fair, I honestly feel that the MMORPG term is over used. I honestly feel that ESO is just a fantasy MMO with rpg elements and not a true MMORPG.
As for whether or not eso is a fan service game, well if microtransactions and dlc are your definition, then it encompasses the majority of games that have been released since Oblivions horse armor DLC, including all triple A games.2 -
etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭Here I am going to share some stuff I expect and some I would like to see implemented.
Lets start by saying, eso is not a free game. People payed monthly so that it would stay alive after its rocky launch. After that the game became a 1 time purchase... Great, but its still a fan service game and those games are supposed to be free like fortnite and apex legends.
Says who ?
It's a business model. ESO has a business model that drives 'casual play one off cheap, serious play subscription, 1%ers please buy lots of shiny sparkly crap in the clown store'. That seems to be a very sensible model. Casual light players use few server resources and get very good value. Hardcore players drive subscription revenue to sustain the business and people with more money than sense
get to buy sparkly bears that still walk like they stepped on a nail and help fund it for the rest. Classic market segmentation.
That doesn't seem to be an unreasonable model. If you want to just play it like Skryim you blow a whopping £5 on the base game during a sale and get a load of content for free with no need to buy more. If you are going to play every other weeknight trying to get Godslayer you pay a fairly low subscription cost.
Some of the recent stuff to me also is ill judged - the armory station seems to be designed to remind people why the should all move to PC and use add-ons. Also the loot boxes want regulating (but that's a government problem).
Agree 100% on the lack of earnable non horse mounts. We have the dwarven scryable one but the lack of a truely basic non sparkly camel, guar etc for gold in some zones always struck me as a bizarre from when I started playing.
Too many toons not enough time0
