New Life Festival quests more fitting for Jester's Festival

SilverBride · December 2021

myskyrim26 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Well, New Life is not Christmas or New Year. It is New Life, an imagined festival in an imagined world. How do you know what fits New Life and what does not? Only game developers know as they are creating this imagined world called ESO.

I know what I see as New Life and throwing mudballs isn't it.

Well... what about throwing furniture out of the window? It is a real tradition... Shooting with real guns into the sky? Also a real tradition... I know more, but they are too weird to write here. All these traditions don't seem to fit New Year Eve for me. Yet people do it - they celebrate New Year in their own way...

My only concern here is the New Life Festival and that I find some of these quests to not fit into my idea of what New Life means.

Hapexamendios · December 2021

Cheer up milk drinker! Jump in icy river, clean off mud and enjoy mead and stinky fish!

heaven13 · December 2021

Try to remember that Tamriel and the real world are not synonymous, so what fits your definition of this season and what is actually lore appropriate would be different. As others have mentioned, there is spoken dialogue explaining each of the traditions. Whether you like them are not is totally up to you, but whether they are fitting or not is within the realm of the lore masters.

Just out of curiosity: have you not done New Life any of the other years you've been playing?

SilverBride · December 2021

heaven13 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity: have you not done New Life any of the other years you've been playing?

This is the first year I participated in any events... actually I did do a couple last year but not this one. I was just never interested before. The only thing that got me into it was I discovered I could get furnishings from some of the events.

And whether or not these quests are appropriate according to lore or not, they don't seem that way to me and it really takes away from any enjoyment I may have gotten from it.

Others may see it differently, and that is fine. We are all entitled to our opinions.

Dagoth_Rac · December 2021

I have always felt that the airing of grievances did not fit a holiday called Festivus...

Vevvev · December 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity: have you not done New Life any of the other years you've been playing?

This is the first year I participated in any events... actually I did do a couple last year but not this one. I was just never interested before. The only thing that got me into it was I discovered I could get furnishings from some of the events.

And whether or not these quests are appropriate according to lore or not, they don't seem that way to me and it really takes away from any enjoyment I may have gotten from it.

Others may see it differently, and that is fine. We are all entitled to our opinions.

Reading this thread from you did get me thinking about that. Was a bit shocked you had not done them before as they've been great fun the years I've played this game.

Although the one post about adding new quests would help a lot.... I do like how they did add more NPCs to the quest they added last year, but aside from that nothing new it seems.

Not sure if you read it but saving the fish you catch in Shadowfen is good practice if you do the quests every day. They do count and trading them to less fortunate players is a practice I've seen come about over the years.

Jaimeh · December 2021

The activities are either symbolic (like the Bergama symbolic reenactment of an important historical moment), charitable (like the quest in Grahtwood), or simply festive (like the alcaire castle quest) and that's a great combination of activities for celebrating New Life, imo.

Azphel · December 2021

The only New Life quest I don't like is the mudball one. I stopped doing it this year. Aside from the obvious mudball issue, the quest itself feels like an afterthought. Bosmer have plenty of lore that could've been used instead - a spinner's New Life story, or even something about the rite of theft.

Just in case you didn't know, OP, you can exit Breda's dialogue when she offers you a quest you especially dislike, and talk to her again. It may take a few tries, but she'll eventually change the quest she's offering.

Or just do Old Life.

Here's an addon that helps speed things up for both options: https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info2868-SyliranasNewLifeTravel.html

Amottica · December 2021

It seems that these activities are supposed to be related to the culture in each area and how they approach the New Life period. So it is a matter of perspective but their perspective, not ours.

SilverBride · December 2021

A few have mentioned other quests but the only ones I've seen so far are the mudballs, the dancing and the race... and I've checked both days so far on 3 different characters.

TheImperfect · December 2021

I like the quests personally and haven't done them all yet on every character,. I'd be happy to see additional quests added but I do enjoy repeating these quests.

Sylvermynx · December 2021

It can take a lot of "re-clicks" on Breda to get a different quest. The orphan one seems to pop with the least frequency for some reason.

Personally I'm not bothered by the quests, as it's lore in a fantasy world *shrug*. I don't do the mudball one or the lockpicking and racing ones (because high ping causes issues - and I play when there just aren't many people around so even though one can group to get them done, if I'm the only one there.... it's still a problem). There's still plenty to do and by this time in my life in ESO, I'm just doing one New Life quest and the Old Life one on my lower level girls.

I don't care about achievements, so that's not a problem for me.

InaMoonlight · December 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

A few have mentioned other quests but the only ones I've seen so far are the mudballs, the dancing and the race... and I've checked both days so far on 3 different characters.

I'm sorry, but you didnt do all of them, and you didnt read the quest dialogue, HOW are they then supposed to fit ANYONES idea of new life. Embrace that you are in a new world with curiosity instead of wanting it like something else, and you'll probably have a blast eh?

Embrace it, reading it all, correlating it to the story of elder scrolls, seeing WHY those quests are what they are, and for any entity's sake, do them all, AND read them before you say you don't like em, it's kinda alot like broccoli, try it first

May you have an awesome New life, and may your old give you what you need for it

InaMoonlight · December 2021

Btw, everyone gets the same quests, only the order varies, if you do all the ones Breda offer within the same day, you WILL see them all, they don't repeat in the same day unless you do more then one character

Edit: Her friend through may send you to a different shrine with a different result every day.

SilverBride · December 2021

InaMoonlight wrote: »

I'm sorry, but you didnt do all of them, and you didnt read the quest dialogue, HOW are they then supposed to fit ANYONES idea of new life. Embrace that you are in a new world with curiosity instead of wanting it like something else, and you'll probably have a blast eh?

Embrace it, reading it all, correlating it to the story of elder scrolls, seeing WHY those quests are what they are, and for any entity's sake, do them all, AND read them before you say you don't like em, it's kinda alot like broccoli, try it first

I did the 3 quests I mentioned yesterday, one on each character, and I hated every second of it. When I went back today it was the same quests again on all 3 characters, so I just did the other NPC's quest instead. I am not going to continue doing something I don't enjoy.

By the way, I hate broccoli, too. It's pretty much the only vegetable I don't like.

spartaxoxo · December 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

InaMoonlight wrote: »

I'm sorry, but you didnt do all of them, and you didnt read the quest dialogue, HOW are they then supposed to fit ANYONES idea of new life. Embrace that you are in a new world with curiosity instead of wanting it like something else, and you'll probably have a blast eh?

Embrace it, reading it all, correlating it to the story of elder scrolls, seeing WHY those quests are what they are, and for any entity's sake, do them all, AND read them before you say you don't like em, it's kinda alot like broccoli, try it first

I did the 3 I mentioned yesterday, one on each character, and I hated every second of it. When I went back today it was the same quests again on all 3 characters. I am not going to continue doing something I don't enjoy.

By the way, I hate broccoli, too. It's pretty much the only vegetable I don't like.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Breda

You can read them here if you don't want to do the quests.

The New Life festival is all about honoring the old and celebrating the new. They have a variety of festivities, some are serious and some are light hearted. The New Life Festival is meant to be a celebration but there also acts of giving, charity, and rememberance.

I am still unsure of why you want it to only consist of serious events, as I don't understand how you view it. It's kinda hard to hard to have a discussion of if any fit the theme well, if the basis of it not fitting is simply you not liking it. I know there's more to it than that, but as you've not shared I can't really see why else it would lore inappropriate.

So I guess all I can recommend is just read the lore on the quests that you feel most embody the spirit of New Life. They are here in the Wiki and you can also try cycling through them in-game. You won't get the same ones as the starter each day. It just cycles through them randomly til you've done them all.

AlnilamE · December 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

A few have mentioned other quests but the only ones I've seen so far are the mudballs, the dancing and the race... and I've checked both days so far on 3 different characters.

You are able to do all 9 quests in the same day. Just pick a new one up after you hand it in. You can also do them in a group if you like. This is something my guild does a lot during the event. The reward boxes have a high likelyhood of giving lighting furnishings, so that's always good. I got a lot of candles and lamps from it over the years.

There's also an achievement associated with each of the quests.

Sylvermynx · December 2021

Hey, let's lighten up guys. We never know why something triggers a reaction if we aren't the person reacting. Let's just let this thread go, so one of us (or even more of us) doesn't get the feeling that s/he is a complete outlier instead of someone who has a perfectly valid reaction to something that s/he finds - unworkable.

It's the season of cheer, let us love one another.

SilverBride · December 2021

spartaxoxo wrote: »

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Breda

You can read them here if you don't want to do the quests.

The New Life festival is all about honoring the old and celebrating the new. They have a variety of festivities, some are serious and some are light hearted. The New Life Festival is meant to be a celebration but there also acts of giving, charity, and rememberance.

I am still unsure of why you want it to only consist of serious events, as I don't understand how you view it. It's kinda hard to hard to have a discussion of if any fit the theme well, if the basis of it not fitting is simply you not liking it. I know there's more to it than that, but as you've not shared I can't really see why else it would lore inappropriate.

So I guess all I can recommend is just read the lore on the quests that you feel most embody the spirit of New Life. They are here in the Wiki and you can also try cycling through them in-game. You won't get the same ones as the starter each day. It just cycles through them randomly til you've done them all.

It's not that I want it to be all serious. I just really don't see anything even remotely fun about mudballs, and running from place to place to place to dance is just tedious.

I don't like these type of activities, but even if I did I just don't see the connection with these and New Life. When I think of New Life I think of a renewal of the mind and the spirit, and giving New Life to others as well... not a mob of players all grouped up at the wayshrine tossing mud.

And thank you for the link. I'll take a look at it.

Sylvermynx · December 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Breda

You can read them here if you don't want to do the quests.

The New Life festival is all about honoring the old and celebrating the new. They have a variety of festivities, some are serious and some are light hearted. The New Life Festival is meant to be a celebration but there also acts of giving, charity, and rememberance.

I am still unsure of why you want it to only consist of serious events, as I don't understand how you view it. It's kinda hard to hard to have a discussion of if any fit the theme well, if the basis of it not fitting is simply you not liking it. I know there's more to it than that, but as you've not shared I can't really see why else it would lore inappropriate.

So I guess all I can recommend is just read the lore on the quests that you feel most embody the spirit of New Life. They are here in the Wiki and you can also try cycling through them in-game. You won't get the same ones as the starter each day. It just cycles through them randomly til you've done them all.

It's not that I want it to be all serious. I just really don't see anything even remotely fun about mudballs, and running from place to place to place to dance is just tedious.

I don't like these type of activities, but even if I did I just don't see the connection with these and New Life. When I think of New Life I think of a renewal of the mind and the spirit, and giving New Life to others as well... not a mob of players all grouped up at the wayshrine tossing mud.

And thank you for the link. I'll take a look at it.

That's a viable reaction - in real life. But not in the context of this game (which does build on and reference the entirety of TES since Arena released in 1994 - not to mention the tabletop RPG the original developers played for however many years - the background of TES is actually staggeringly vast....)

Mostly, when you play a game like this one, you need to set your own expectations (as well as your own RL experiences) at a remove - you might not "get" why something like the mud ball thing is part of New Life instead of Jesterfest - but that's one of those "oddball" things that crop up in any game world.

I'm not IRL religious or even "Christian" - but husband is. So I do what he expects in this season so that he is comfortable. And even though the RL religious thing is not MY thing, I give it the lip service necessary to make him happy. In ESO, I accept that if I had "invented" this world, I might have done things differently. But I didn't invent TES - so if I want to play the game(s), then I need to accept that others are helming this ship, and my voyage will be less stressful if I accept that....

It's not my world - but it's a world I love, and I'm happy to play in it. When I stop being happy to play in it.... I won't.

Sylvermynx · December 2021

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And that's true for you. But making an issue of it in the forum isn't really a viable thing - because your singular reaction is not a thing that needs action.

You're one person. If you were a million people, that might get attention. But there aren't a million people unhappy about this AFAIK.

Reality obtrudes: you are at liberty to state your opinion. And you have. Expecting things to change? Doubtful that's happening. I'm sorry that you are unhappy, but that's not going to help you.... Because.... when you play a game, you ARE at the mercy of the lore, the background, the developers - and the only real option you have is to not play the game if you have such a deep seated issue with it.

spartaxoxo · December 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Breda

You can read them here if you don't want to do the quests.

The New Life festival is all about honoring the old and celebrating the new. They have a variety of festivities, some are serious and some are light hearted. The New Life Festival is meant to be a celebration but there also acts of giving, charity, and rememberance.

I am still unsure of why you want it to only consist of serious events, as I don't understand how you view it. It's kinda hard to hard to have a discussion of if any fit the theme well, if the basis of it not fitting is simply you not liking it. I know there's more to it than that, but as you've not shared I can't really see why else it would lore inappropriate.

So I guess all I can recommend is just read the lore on the quests that you feel most embody the spirit of New Life. They are here in the Wiki and you can also try cycling through them in-game. You won't get the same ones as the starter each day. It just cycles through them randomly til you've done them all.

It's not that I want it to be all serious. I just really don't see anything even remotely fun about mudballs, and running from place to place to place to dance is just tedious.

I don't like these type of activities, but even if I did I just don't see the connection with these and New Life. When I think of New Life I think of a renewal of the mind and the spirit, and giving New Life to others as well... not a mob of players all grouped up at the wayshrine tossing mud.

And thank you for the link. I'll take a look at it.

Ah. I see. The only one that immediately comes to mind that's in keeping with that theme to me is the dancing/juggling at Alcaire castle. That one was started as a way to try to lift people's spirits after the castle suffered many losses during a war.

SilverBride · December 2021

Well, like I said in my original post, I'll do what I need to get the house and fill up my tickets again, then I'm done with this festival.

spartaxoxo · December 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

Well, like I said in my original post, I'll do what I need to get the house and fill up my tickets again, then I'm done with this festival.

Yeah. I don't blame you. I like the lore behind the quests but they are designed rather tediously.

Amottica · December 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Breda

You can read them here if you don't want to do the quests.

The New Life festival is all about honoring the old and celebrating the new. They have a variety of festivities, some are serious and some are light hearted. The New Life Festival is meant to be a celebration but there also acts of giving, charity, and rememberance.

I am still unsure of why you want it to only consist of serious events, as I don't understand how you view it. It's kinda hard to hard to have a discussion of if any fit the theme well, if the basis of it not fitting is simply you not liking it. I know there's more to it than that, but as you've not shared I can't really see why else it would lore inappropriate.

So I guess all I can recommend is just read the lore on the quests that you feel most embody the spirit of New Life. They are here in the Wiki and you can also try cycling through them in-game. You won't get the same ones as the starter each day. It just cycles through them randomly til you've done them all.

It's not that I want it to be all serious. I just really don't see anything even remotely fun about mudballs, and running from place to place to place to dance is just tedious.

I don't like these type of activities, but even if I did I just don't see the connection with these and New Life. When I think of New Life I think of a renewal of the mind and the spirit, and giving New Life to others as well... not a mob of players all grouped up at the wayshrine tossing mud.

And thank you for the link. I'll take a look at it.

and not liking this type of activity and pretty much just going through the motions to do the quest can leave these quests looking odd. Ok, the yare intended to look odd since it is from varying cultural perspectives, but that is not what I mean. I think we all can respect just going through the motions to the tickets sometimes. I was not all that into the jester festival myself.

SilverBride · December 2021

Amottica wrote: »

and not liking this type of activity and pretty much just going through the motions to do the quest can leave these quests looking odd. Ok, the yare intended to look odd since it is from varying cultural perspectives, but that is not what I mean. I think we all can respect just going through the motions to the tickets sometimes. I was not all that into the jester festival myself.

I actually enjoyed the Jester's Festival.

SickleCider · December 2021

I'll throw OP a bone. These quests are quite old, and designed in very tedious fashion (Lava Foot Stomp, anyone?). Some of them feel like they were phoned in, too. (Five-Claw Guile, oof.) There's the lore and all, but on the surface it does feel like a very disjointed set of activities.

I like the Snow Bear Plunge. Maybe because it's in the snow and I'm a habit mead drinker. Those are my people!

SilverBride · December 2021

Versispellis wrote: »

There's the lore and all, but on the surface it does feel like a very disjointed set of activities.

That is all I was saying, that these quests felt out of place for a New Life Festival. I see pranks, such as throwing mudballs, more fitting for the Jesters Festival.

Kiralyn2000 · December 2021

SilverBride wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

There's the lore and all, but on the surface it does feel like a very disjointed set of activities.

That is all I was saying, that these quests felt out of place for a New Life Festival. I see pranks, such as throwing mudballs, more fitting for the Jesters Festival.

And mudballs is the only "prank" quest, out of 9.

Of course, RNG makes sure that you only see the quests you don't like.

But yeah, the solution seems to be: walk past Breda and go to the "Old Life" quest guy. It counts for the tickets.

SilverBride · December 2021

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

And mudballs is the only "prank" quest, out of 9.

Of course, RNG makes sure that you only see the quests you don't like.

But yeah, the solution seems to be: walk past Breda and go to the "Old Life" quest guy. It counts for the tickets.

There may be 9 quests but I've only seen 3. I did discover the Old Life guy and will only do his quest until I get back to 12 tickets again.

But I was never looking to change anything. I was merely making an observation.