Are the Hew's Bane and Gold Coast set drop challenges intentional or an oversight?

krachall · December 2021

This isn't a complaint -- I just want to know if the set drops in these two zones are intended to be exponentially harder than any other overland zones.

If it's designed to be that way, so be it, I'll deal with it. If it's not working as designed, I'll wait until a change is offered.

The challenge in these zones is that, unlike every other overland set (that I can think of), each item can drop in Light, Medium, and Heavy. But only one of the weights is actually curated. So, for example, instead of the standard 7 armor pieces that can drop, Sithis' Touch, a Heavy Set, can drop in Light and Medium. To complete the stickerbook for this set, you need all 21 pieces.

HOWEVER, only the Heavy version is curated. So even if you have all 7 Heavy pieces and 0 light and 0 medium, the game will start giving you repeats of Heavy. Ok, so how do you get Light and Medium? Daily quests. No problem! But wait, the coffers that come from daily quests (Sacrament in Gold Cost and Heist in Hew's Bane) are NOT curated. So you have no better chance at completing these sets even with the curation system.

Sithis' Touch, Bahara's Curse, and Sylvarra's Scales are the only sets I know of that have this "challenge" and, therefore, are the only sets in the game that the curation system doesn't help. Combine this with the fact that the off-weight version ONLY drop in daily quests and at a tiny chance, these sets are possibly the hardest overland sets in the game to collect. Intentional?

Mushroomancer · December 2021

I'm not very familiar with the rewards those dailies give you, but if they also drop heavy pieces, then this limited curation sounds like a bug or an oversight of some kind.
Otherwise if they only drop light or medium, I would be more inclined to think that this was intentional, as weird as it may seem.

kringled_1 · December 2021

Those aren't the only sets that you might experience an issue with.
Trainee and many PVP sets have no curated sources.
Some pieces in some zones (Murkmire, Clockwork city come to mind, maybe Craglorn and Coldharbour?) don't have a curated source.

jaws343 · December 2021

This is intended. The curation system did not, anywhere in the game, change the loot pool for enemies. Bosses in Hews Bane only drop the single weight and do not drop any other weight.

patricknl76 · December 2021

The drops from the perfect heists are not curated. I have all the bahraha's light pieces , jewelry and weapons . Still the perfect heists give me the weapons I already have so I gave up on the medium and heavy after 5 perfect heists with only getting things I already had.

krachall · December 2021

Mushroomancer wrote: »

I'm not very familiar with the rewards those dailies give you, but if they also drop heavy pieces, then this limited curation sounds like a bug or an oversight of some kind.
Otherwise if they only drop light or medium, I would be more inclined to think that this was intentional, as weird as it may seem.

The coffers can give all three weights. So it's entirely possible that you collect the "base weight" set and run dailies for the rest but continue to the base weight and not the non-dropping weights you need.

If fact, with my tiny sample size of ~30 coffers, it seems the base weight is more common than the others. And, of course, the coffers can drop weapons and jewelry instead of the coffer-only armor pieces.

That's the root of the problem. The coffer is the only source of the off weights but the coffer will random drop any one of the 72 items in the loot table as well.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · December 2021

Coffers don't have curated loot anywhere. Just loot from bosses and such do, so if a part of a set only drops in coffers it will be a bit annoying to get.

krachall · December 2021

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight. Given that these sets are, let's be honest, fairly useless, I'd assume this is an oversight and ZOS didn't intend to make a bunch of unpopular sets exponentially harder to collect.

Dragonlord573 · December 2021

jaws343 wrote: »

This is intended. The curation system did not, anywhere in the game, change the loot pool for enemies. Bosses in Hews Bane only drop the single weight and do not drop any other weight.

Uh, it did. I've gotten all 3 of the Deadland's sets body pieces and many weapons from just world bosses. They wouldn't be dropping armor otherwise.

AlnilamE · December 2021

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight. Given that these sets are, let's be honest, fairly useless, I'd assume this is an oversight and ZOS didn't intend to make a bunch of unpopular sets exponentially harder to collect.

Given that these pieces are tradable, I'm pretty sure it's by design.

I've done a daily heist since the Sticker book became a thing and I'm still missing 2 pieces (I can't remember which ones), but I regularly list the duplicates for sale at our guild store.

As for Sithis, talk to Remains-Silent every day for a piece of equipment and that won't be too hard to fill in.

If you are on PC-NA, I'll be happy to send you pieces you need.

krachall · December 2021

AlnilamE wrote: »

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight. Given that these sets are, let's be honest, fairly useless, I'd assume this is an oversight and ZOS didn't intend to make a bunch of unpopular sets exponentially harder to collect.

Given that these pieces are tradable, I'm pretty sure it's by design.

I've done a daily heist since the Sticker book became a thing and I'm still missing 2 pieces (I can't remember which ones), but I regularly list the duplicates for sale at our guild store.

As for Sithis, talk to Remains-Silent every day for a piece of equipment and that won't be too hard to fill in.

If you are on PC-NA, I'll be happy to send you pieces you need.

Thanks! yes, I recently discovered Remains-Silent gives non-standards weights as well. In fact, my only non-Heavy Sithis set piece came from him.

tomofhyrule · December 2021

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

This is intended. The curation system did not, anywhere in the game, change the loot pool for enemies. Bosses in Hews Bane only drop the single weight and do not drop any other weight.

Uh, it did. I've gotten all 3 of the Deadland's sets body pieces and many weapons from just world bosses. They wouldn't be dropping armor otherwise.

WBs can drop armor and weapons of the respective sets. It's delve bosses that will never drop weapons (outside of the uniques in the early zones).

For most overland zones:

Delve bosses drop waist and foot armor
World bosses drop head, chest, leg, or weapon
Public dungeons drop shoulder, hand, or weapon
Incursions drop jewelry

Other pieces (or in small zones missing any of the above) will still come from overland chests.

For Hew's Bane, Syvarra's will only drop medium in overworld, and the light and heavy only come from Heist coffers. Bahraha's curse drops light in overworld only and the off weights from coffers.

kringled_1 · December 2021

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight. Given that these sets are, let's be honest, fairly useless, I'd assume this is an oversight and ZOS didn't intend to make a bunch of unpopular sets exponentially harder to collect.

AlnilamE wrote: »

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight. Given that these sets are, let's be honest, fairly useless, I'd assume this is an oversight and ZOS didn't intend to make a bunch of unpopular sets exponentially harder to collect.

Given that these pieces are tradable, I'm pretty sure it's by design.

I think it depends a bit on what you mean by design. I don't think ZOS wanted to make them harder to complete than other overland sets deliberately. But since they are tradeable, it's probably not something they feel needs to be addressed either.
As I said earlier, there are a lot of sets that don't have any curated sources or any sources for selected pieces. However they are all Boe tradable sets.

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

This is intended. The curation system did not, anywhere in the game, change the loot pool for enemies. Bosses in Hews Bane only drop the single weight and do not drop any other weight.

Uh, it did. I've gotten all 3 of the Deadland's sets body pieces and many weapons from just world bosses. They wouldn't be dropping armor otherwise.

The normal world boss loot pool is head, chest, and legs as well as the weapons from that zone, and that's what it's been for years. My own experiences with the Deadlands WBs (wandering Havocrel, Unmaker, Tapezu Azzida) matches that exactly.
The loot pool I'm not sure about is the final chest from the Atoll of Immolation. It seemed to drop much more than a dolmen chest, but I haven't run any of the other incursions (harrowstorms/dragons/geysers) since curation.

jaws343 · December 2021

kringled_1 wrote: »

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight. Given that these sets are, let's be honest, fairly useless, I'd assume this is an oversight and ZOS didn't intend to make a bunch of unpopular sets exponentially harder to collect.

AlnilamE wrote: »

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight. Given that these sets are, let's be honest, fairly useless, I'd assume this is an oversight and ZOS didn't intend to make a bunch of unpopular sets exponentially harder to collect.

Given that these pieces are tradable, I'm pretty sure it's by design.

I think it depends a bit on what you mean by design. I don't think ZOS wanted to make them harder to complete than other overland sets deliberately. But since they are tradeable, it's probably not something they feel needs to be addressed either.
As I said earlier, there are a lot of sets that don't have any curated sources or any sources for selected pieces. However they are all Boe tradable sets.

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

This is intended. The curation system did not, anywhere in the game, change the loot pool for enemies. Bosses in Hews Bane only drop the single weight and do not drop any other weight.

Uh, it did. I've gotten all 3 of the Deadland's sets body pieces and many weapons from just world bosses. They wouldn't be dropping armor otherwise.

The normal world boss loot pool is head, chest, and legs as well as the weapons from that zone, and that's what it's been for years. My own experiences with the Deadlands WBs (wandering Havocrel, Unmaker, Tapezu Azzida) matches that exactly.
The loot pool I'm not sure about is the final chest from the Atoll of Immolation. It seemed to drop much more than a dolmen chest, but I haven't run any of the other incursions (harrowstorms/dragons/geysers) since curation.

Deadlands doesn't have Public dungeons, so the public dungeon pool is included in the WB and Delve pool. Same for Murkmire. So the drop pool didn't change, it's just different for minor zones than it is for major zones. And Hew's Bane is an extreme outlier of a zone.

kringled_1 · December 2021

jaws343 wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight. Given that these sets are, let's be honest, fairly useless, I'd assume this is an oversight and ZOS didn't intend to make a bunch of unpopular sets exponentially harder to collect.

AlnilamE wrote: »

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight. Given that these sets are, let's be honest, fairly useless, I'd assume this is an oversight and ZOS didn't intend to make a bunch of unpopular sets exponentially harder to collect.

Given that these pieces are tradable, I'm pretty sure it's by design.

I think it depends a bit on what you mean by design. I don't think ZOS wanted to make them harder to complete than other overland sets deliberately. But since they are tradeable, it's probably not something they feel needs to be addressed either.
As I said earlier, there are a lot of sets that don't have any curated sources or any sources for selected pieces. However they are all Boe tradable sets.

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

This is intended. The curation system did not, anywhere in the game, change the loot pool for enemies. Bosses in Hews Bane only drop the single weight and do not drop any other weight.

Uh, it did. I've gotten all 3 of the Deadland's sets body pieces and many weapons from just world bosses. They wouldn't be dropping armor otherwise.

The normal world boss loot pool is head, chest, and legs as well as the weapons from that zone, and that's what it's been for years. My own experiences with the Deadlands WBs (wandering Havocrel, Unmaker, Tapezu Azzida) matches that exactly.
The loot pool I'm not sure about is the final chest from the Atoll of Immolation. It seemed to drop much more than a dolmen chest, but I haven't run any of the other incursions (harrowstorms/dragons/geysers) since curation.

Deadlands doesn't have Public dungeons, so the public dungeon pool is included in the WB and Delve pool. Same for Murkmire. So the drop pool didn't change, it's just different for minor zones than it is for major zones. And Hew's Bane is an extreme outlier of a zone.

That doesn't really match my experience. The last pieces I was missing from Deadlands were shoulders from a couple of the sets. Numerous WB kills and delve boss kills just gave already collected other pieces (weapons and head/chest/legs). I got the last shoulder part from the atoll final chest, and the other one from a (non curated) daily coffer.

Necrotech_Master · December 2021

another set your missing from being curated that is overland is the trainee set (which is also a "mixed"/all size set too)

all of the locations the trainee set drops have no true delves/WB/public dungeons so almost everything will be dropped only from chests (which are not curated)

cozmic72 · December 2021

Thanks for clarifying how overland sets drop in these zones. I’ve completed all other zone sets but been really frustrated trying to complete Gold Coast and Hew’s Bane.

Jaraal · December 2021

We’ve been asking ZOS for clarification on why certain weights are excluded in Hew’s Bane for years, but they never fail to remain silent on the matter. Apparently they don’t want to tell us why the drops are not equal by quest/looting methods. So I expect them to remain consistent and ignore us yet again.

LightningWitch · December 2021

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight.

Neither. Both DLC came out before the One Tamriel update (which followed later that year). They are independent of the base game, meaning no changes to the base affect them.

This is why they have their own little quirks.

Originally, both new sets offered drops in all weights, but I'm pretty sure this was changed so that only Bahara's Curse was in light, and Syvvara's Scales are medium and heavy.

I can confirm the BC set only comes in light. When I last played the area, I farmed chests to acquire the set and never found any medium or heavy in this set. Don't laugh. I wanted to see what it did and I have to admit it made me giddy to play with it for a while.

I also recall people saying to get the heavy pieces, you had to do the daily heists, because the drop rate was better than the boss drop rate. I cannot confirm this because I only did enough of the heists to get the achievement and honestly don't remember what I got as drops.

For the Gold Coast, I cannot offer any assistance here. I remember nothing of it.

Ironically, I'll be returning to these zones at some point. Having returned to the game and starting fresh, well, it's time to see what has changed.

Again, if my info is outdated, I apologize. It's what I remember.

I hope it helps.

AlnilamE · December 2021

LightningWitch wrote: »

krachall wrote: »

Exactly. I just want to know if it's by design or an oversight.

Neither. Both DLC came out before the One Tamriel update (which followed later that year). They are independent of the base game, meaning no changes to the base affect them.

This is why they have their own little quirks.

Originally, both new sets offered drops in all weights, but I'm pretty sure this was changed so that only Bahara's Curse was in light, and Syvvara's Scales are medium and heavy.

I can confirm the BC set only comes in light. When I last played the area, I farmed chests to acquire the set and never found any medium or heavy in this set. Don't laugh. I wanted to see what it did and I have to admit it made me giddy to play with it for a while.

I also recall people saying to get the heavy pieces, you had to do the daily heists, because the drop rate was better than the boss drop rate. I cannot confirm this because I only did enough of the heists to get the achievement and honestly don't remember what I got as drops.

For the Gold Coast, I cannot offer any assistance here. I remember nothing of it.

Ironically, I'll be returning to these zones at some point. Having returned to the game and starting fresh, well, it's time to see what has changed.

Again, if my info is outdated, I apologize. It's what I remember.

I hope it helps.

You can get the other weights from the Heist reward bags. I'm only missing a gauntlet of Syrvarra's Scales now.

Also, sets that were altered to not drop specific weapons, like Sword Singer, for example, don't include items that can't drop in the sticker book album.

jaws343 · December 2021

Jaraal wrote: »

We’ve been asking ZOS for clarification on why certain weights are excluded in Hew’s Bane for years, but they never fail to remain silent on the matter. Apparently they don’t want to tell us why the drops are not equal by quest/looting methods. So I expect them to remain consistent and ignore us yet again.

Isn't the explanation pretty simple, they wanted certain activities in the zones to have specific rewards. If you want that heavy chest piece, then do heists. Etc.

Necrotech_Master · December 2021

the thieves guild main quest line boxes can also give any weights (and i find i more commonly get off-size pieces, mainly for bahrahas curse from those)

only problem with this method is those can only be done once per toon, but are far easier to do on any character instead of needing one specifically built for stealth to get the perfect heists easier

the sithis gear you can also get off-sizes for that by talking to the "remains-silent" dark brotherhood guy in outlaw refuges, once per 20 hours and select to be given "equipment" (this also has a small chance to give you one of those "heart" furnishing items, which annoys me because its bound and not sellable, as well as a chance for a lead for the gaze of sithis mythic)

Vaoh · December 2021

I think it would be good if a small few changes were made to item curation.

1. Binding either a Robe or Jerkin allows both Robes and jerkins to be reconstructed. Currently you cannot reconstruct jerkins.

2. Sets which are in all three armor weights will unlock all three of their respective armor pieces when you bind one. Ex: A Trainee Heavy belt will unlock both the Medium and Light variants.

Djennku · December 2021

When One Tamriel launched, they changed the way item sets dropped. Most overland zones have their sets in one weight (light, medium, and heavy), so they'd drop in the zone from that set and weight. The standardization of item set drops was one of those things that affected the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood DLCs differently as some of these sets dropped in all three weights.

For Hew's bane specifically, it only had two sets, not three, and both came in all three weights, which at the time of the update made it impossible to complete the sets in the non-standardized weights for each. They had to go back and fix it so people could still acquire the other weights, which is why heists have the old loot table as a reward.

(Edited for typos)

zaria · December 2021

kringled_1 wrote: »

Those aren't the only sets that you might experience an issue with.
Trainee and many PVP sets have no curated sources.
Some pieces in some zones (Murkmire, Clockwork city come to mind, maybe Craglorn and Coldharbour?) don't have a curated source.

Yes, curated drops is only drops from bosses, not quest rewards or items you buy like the PvP gear.

madrab73 · December 2021

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

another set your missing from being curated that is overland is the trainee set (which is also a "mixed"/all size set too)

all of the locations the trainee set drops have no true delves/WB/public dungeons so almost everything will be dropped only from chests (which are not curated)

Unique trainee pieces drop from quests in starter areas