IMPROVE dungeon finder and battlegrounds overnight

Merforum · December 2021

This is a 2 step process

1. Remove the 10 transmute reward from the Normal random DF, but leave that reward for the VET, instead make normal reward the 1-4 transmute geode (BTW allow Vet pledges and Vet trials get the 10 transmute and normal get the 1-4 also to have more ways to get them)
2. Change the solo random BG to either NOT backfill deathmatch (as it was before deathmatch only and as there are so many deathmatchers that backfilling that queue shouldn't be necessary) or make it even Objective only, and add the 10 transmute reward to it

What will this achieve, drastically reduce the amount of speedrunners in the DF queue, and by essentially the same number increase the amount of people doing BG randoms, WIN-WIN.

ONLY constructive dialog please...

Artim_X · December 2021

IMO the experience bonus of doing a random is the main reason for people to queue for a normal. Any proper build can carry a normal instance, but it takes a special kind of patience to carry inexperienced players in vet. Normal is just more ideal when you're not trying to get two keys or a monster head piece. Asking a player to slow down in chat can work. Also initiating a vote kick is anonymous and if other players in the group feel like someone is genuinely ruining a instance, then the vote kick will likely pass.

Deathmatch should be removed from the random queue altogether. One can already select to queue for both random and Deathmatch at the same time, which is redundant. Random should be renamed random objective. In this way people who hate deathmatch can always avoid it, no matter what.

KhajiitLivesMatter · December 2021

getting 4 crystals from normal is still faster and way easier with randoms than running vet random and maybe getting a dlc

bmnoble · December 2021

To be fair I saw plenty of speed runners in normal dungeons even before they brought in the 10 transmute crystal reward, so not sure what difference it will really make, worst case you could end up with more people in the Vet queue constantly leaving group till they get a base game Vet dungeon.

Can't really comment much on BG don't really bother with them much.

spartaxoxo · December 2021

I'd rather those farmers be in normal than vet tbh. A bad teammate in normal is an inconvenience, a bad teammate in vet is dungeon breaking.

I'd rather they add a solo mode for people who want to hear the quests. It lets them actually hear the dialogue and take their time without slowing anyone else down. And leaves normal as a good place to get gear and vet as a place for people who actually want a challenging experience

Xebov · December 2021

Merforum wrote: »

Remove the 10 transmute reward from the Normal random DF, but leave that reward for the VET, instead make normal reward the 1-4 transmute geode (BTW allow Vet pledges and Vet trials get the 10 transmute and normal get the 1-4 also to have more ways to get them)

This would have huge negative effects. The reason the random dungeon exists is to fill groups for players that want to run a specific dungeon and ensures that a group comes together for it. If you reduce the transmutes there will be less incentive to use it and as such some less often run dungeons would also suffer from longer queue times. Another side effect would be that players would start to run it on vet that are not ready yet to get the better reward which could drop the overal quality of vet pugs further. This effect can already be obsered with pledges.

Merforum wrote: »

Change the solo random BG to either NOT backfill deathmatch (as it was before deathmatch only and as there are so many deathmatchers that backfilling that queue shouldn't be necessary) or make it even Objective only, and add the 10 transmute reward to it
increase the amount of people doing BG randoms, WIN-WIN.

If you want to increase the amount of players that do BGs you need to improve the BGs reward. 8k/10k/12k AP for a match is just a joke compared to the amount of AP you need to buy stuff and get PvP ranks.

Merforum wrote: »

What will this achieve, drastically reduce the amount of speedrunners in the DF queue, and by essentially the same number increase the amount of people doing BG randoms, WIN-WIN.

I find it cute how everyone believes that random dungeon rewards are the only reason to speedrun dungeons and noone seems to acknowledge that farming gear for the stickerbook also plays a huge part.

kargen27 · December 2021

"I find it cute how everyone believes that random dungeon rewards are the only reason to speedrun dungeons and noone seems to acknowledge that farming gear for the stickerbook also plays a huge part."

You also have players leveling characters. They pop a xp bonus potion and run the dailies. They want to get through as quick as possible then either log out or maybe do the dolman run for a while. Either way the idea is to get the bonus XP as quick as possible while having a potion active.

hafgood · December 2021

Again? Already?

No leave crystals alone, 10 on normal is fine, reducing it will not have the effect you crave. People will still queue for and speedrun normals because its quicker than vet.

BG's? Yes the queue does need looking at, not sure what the best solution is but the chance of a non deathmatch game does need increasing.

jaws343 · December 2021

hafgood wrote: »

Again? Already?

No leave crystals alone, 10 on normal is fine, reducing it will not have the effect you crave. People will still queue for and speedrun normals because its quicker than vet.

BG's? Yes the queue does need looking at, not sure what the best solution is but the chance of a non deathmatch game does need increasing.

All they need to do with the BG queue is make it random and remove the individual dm queue again.

But, they need to weight DM differently in the queue. DM should have a 50% chance of appearing and each individual objective match should have a 13% chance. This would weight objective matches and DMs at a 50/50 shot it popping up. Instead of the 1/5 chance DM had before. Would make the queue far more healthy.

phaneub17_ESO · December 2021

Give me 5 transmute crystals for solo completing a dungeon, per dungeon, each day. That way I don't have to random queue anymore and with this setup I can only get it once per dungeon so I'm not just doing FG1 repeatedly, at least not with the same character. People who are rushing through can already solo it, they can't however get any crystals for doing it solo the regular way. You want the rushers to stop showing up, give them an alternative method that lets them do it by themselves and still get some reward at a reduced rate.

mickeyx · December 2021

Merforum wrote: »

This is a 2 step process

1. Remove the 10 transmute reward from the Normal random DF, but leave that reward for the VET, instead make normal reward the 1-4 transmute geode (BTW allow Vet pledges and Vet trials get the 10 transmute and normal get the 1-4 also to have more ways to get them)
2. Change the solo random BG to either NOT backfill deathmatch (as it was before deathmatch only and as there are so many deathmatchers that backfilling that queue shouldn't be necessary) or make it even Objective only, and add the 10 transmute reward to it

What will this achieve, drastically reduce the amount of speedrunners in the DF queue, and by essentially the same number increase the amount of people doing BG randoms, WIN-WIN.

ONLY constructive dialog please...

So basically you want to kill normal dungeon queues? How is that constructive feedback?

Amottica · December 2021

Vet will find more players who are not ready for vet because they want the 10 transmutation crystals.

So normal dungeons will have fewer queueing for it and vet will become a bigger mess and likely see more fake tanks on vet.

Merforum · December 2021

Merforum wrote: »

This is a 2 step process

1. Remove the 10 transmute reward from the Normal random DF, but leave that reward for the VET, instead make normal reward the 1-4 transmute geode (BTW allow Vet pledges and Vet trials get the 10 transmute and normal get the 1-4 also to have more ways to get them)
2. Change the solo random BG to either NOT backfill deathmatch (as it was before deathmatch only and as there are so many deathmatchers that backfilling that queue shouldn't be necessary) or make it even Objective only, and add the 10 transmute reward to it

What will this achieve, drastically reduce the amount of speedrunners in the DF queue, and by essentially the same number increase the amount of people doing BG randoms, WIN-WIN.

ONLY constructive dialog please...

I'm only responding to constructive feedback, if anyone has some please feel free to comment. Thanks.

sionIV · December 2021

Merforum wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

This is a 2 step process

1. Remove the 10 transmute reward from the Normal random DF, but leave that reward for the VET, instead make normal reward the 1-4 transmute geode (BTW allow Vet pledges and Vet trials get the 10 transmute and normal get the 1-4 also to have more ways to get them)
2. Change the solo random BG to either NOT backfill deathmatch (as it was before deathmatch only and as there are so many deathmatchers that backfilling that queue shouldn't be necessary) or make it even Objective only, and add the 10 transmute reward to it

What will this achieve, drastically reduce the amount of speedrunners in the DF queue, and by essentially the same number increase the amount of people doing BG randoms, WIN-WIN.

ONLY constructive dialog please...

I'm only responding to constructive feedback, if anyone has some please feel free to comment. Thanks.

Just wanted to share that constructive feedback does not mean; People who agree with me.

Kwoung · December 2021

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

spartaxoxo · December 2021

Kwoung wrote: »

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

The point of the transmute reward though is to get you to help people who queued for that specific dungeon. And it's done a good job at getting dungeon queue times down and dungeons completed.

Aardappelboom · December 2021

The rewards help the queues, sure speed runs can be unwelcome for some, but not for everyone.

I've started soloing dungeons and have a great time, when I need keys or transmutes I like it to go fast.

Kwoung · December 2021

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

The point of the transmute reward though is to get you to help people who queued for that specific dungeon. And it's done a good job at getting dungeon queue times down and dungeons completed.

True, but since implementation it has also spawned the proliferation of numerous threads (a day?) complaining about the slowpokes or speedrunners, fake every role and has caused more vote kicks (based on what I read here) than ever existed previously. So kind of a toss up on whether it is a plus or minus to the game. So I vote for letting folks that would prefer to not do random normals with others to earn their transmutes.... go about their business how they choose.

Nevermind random normals being harder for folks who have subbed or bought DLC's with PITA dungeons in them. Which is very odd, to say the least.

Brrrofski · December 2021

Kwoung wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

The point of the transmute reward though is to get you to help people who queued for that specific dungeon. And it's done a good job at getting dungeon queue times down and dungeons completed.

True, but since implementation it has also spawned the proliferation of numerous threads (a day?) complaining about the slowpokes or speedrunners, fake every role and has caused more vote kicks (based on what I read here) than ever existed previously. So kind of a toss up on whether it is a plus or minus to the game. So I vote for letting folks that would prefer to not do random normals with others to earn their transmutes.... go about their business how they choose. Nothing good ever comes from forcing folks into situations they would rather avoid.

Nevermind random normals being harder for folks who have subbed or bought DLC's with PITA dungeons in them.

I do random normals often as I make PvP builds a LOT so need gems

I usually "fake tank". I'm a DPS with inner fire on.

Pretty much every dungeon I'm in, everyone is all "good job" or "thank you" at the end. Never any complaints about how fast the dungeon was.

Sometimes someone say they need to do quest, so I wait up. Others might not, but it's not a problem with the system, it's that some people don't care about other's experience. It's their game too, so that's their choice I guess.

You have to remember that a forum, for the most part, will only focus on the negatives of something.

Most people don't flock to a forum to say they like how something works.

For most people, the way it is now works perfectly.

Merforum · December 2021

Kwoung wrote: »

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

Thanks for staying on topic. I actually mention that adding transmutes to other things like trials, pledges and as you say even arenas. It seems like a good bonus to give the 10 transmutes for VET trial, pledge, arena and maybe the 1-4 transmute for Normal. As you say pledges and arenas can be done solo or at least without DF, like even 2 people and 2 companions. Pledges are actually harder than random, because you have to kill the require bosses without skipping, maybe 1 transmute for level 1 pledge, 2 for level 2 and 3 for dlc pledges, and double for Vet.

We can only speculate the best path, ZOS really has to just test out the different rewards and incentives to reduce Fake roles and to make BGs more popular and whatever else they want to accomplish.

Kwoung · December 2021

Brrrofski wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

The point of the transmute reward though is to get you to help people who queued for that specific dungeon. And it's done a good job at getting dungeon queue times down and dungeons completed.

True, but since implementation it has also spawned the proliferation of numerous threads (a day?) complaining about the slowpokes or speedrunners, fake every role and has caused more vote kicks (based on what I read here) than ever existed previously. So kind of a toss up on whether it is a plus or minus to the game. So I vote for letting folks that would prefer to not do random normals with others to earn their transmutes.... go about their business how they choose. Nothing good ever comes from forcing folks into situations they would rather avoid.

Nevermind random normals being harder for folks who have subbed or bought DLC's with PITA dungeons in them.

I do random normals often as I make PvP builds a LOT so need gems

I usually "fake tank". I'm a DPS with inner fire on.

Pretty much every dungeon I'm in, everyone is all "good job" or "thank you" at the end. Never any complaints about how fast the dungeon was.

Sometimes someone say they need to do quest, so I wait up. Others might not, but it's not a problem with the system, it's that some people don't care about other's experience. It's their game too, so that's their choice I guess.

You have to remember that a forum, for the most part, will only focus on the negatives of something.

Most people don't flock to a forum to say they like how something works.

For most people, the way it is now works perfectly.

I was mostly thinking about myself. Not a dungeon fan, and when I do one it is generally with just my wife to farm gear, as we are more than capable of dealing with normal dungeons. I never do random groups, as unlike you it sounds, I have never had a fun experience doing them with random players in the past, so simply choose not to. It would be nice though, to get the reward from whatever dungeon / trail / arena we may happen to do. I say nice, because it isn't really necessary at all, as I earn transmutes considerably easier in Cyrodiil.

Brrrofski · December 2021

Merforum wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

Thanks for staying on topic. I actually mention that adding transmutes to other things like trials, pledges and as you say even arenas. It seems like a good bonus to give the 10 transmutes for VET trial, pledge, arena and maybe the 1-4 transmute for Normal. As you say pledges and arenas can be done solo or at least without DF, like even 2 people and 2 companions. Pledges are actually harder than random, because you have to kill the require bosses without skipping, maybe 1 transmute for level 1 pledge, 2 for level 2 and 3 for dlc pledges, and double for Vet.

We can only speculate the best path, ZOS really has to just test out the different rewards and incentives to reduce Fake roles and to make BGs more popular and whatever else they want to accomplish.

So you want to ruin the rest of the game, where fake roles would actually impact them, [snip]

And potentially move them out of the reach of some players? What about new players that might not be ready to do vet? Should they not get them?

And as others have said, the point of gems for random is to help fill dungeons. Someone wants to do spindleclutch for the quest, or gear, but would take ages to wait for just people doing spindleclutch. This is where the random comes in. Which is why it needs people on the queue.

[snip]
[edited for flaming]

mickeyx · December 2021

Brrrofski wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

Thanks for staying on topic. I actually mention that adding transmutes to other things like trials, pledges and as you say even arenas. It seems like a good bonus to give the 10 transmutes for VET trial, pledge, arena and maybe the 1-4 transmute for Normal. As you say pledges and arenas can be done solo or at least without DF, like even 2 people and 2 companions. Pledges are actually harder than random, because you have to kill the require bosses without skipping, maybe 1 transmute for level 1 pledge, 2 for level 2 and 3 for dlc pledges, and double for Vet.

We can only speculate the best path, ZOS really has to just test out the different rewards and incentives to reduce Fake roles and to make BGs more popular and whatever else they want to accomplish.

So you want to ruin the rest of the game, where fake roles would actually impact them, [snip]

Amen 🙏

[edited to remove quote]

Brrrofski · December 2021

Kwoung wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

The point of the transmute reward though is to get you to help people who queued for that specific dungeon. And it's done a good job at getting dungeon queue times down and dungeons completed.

True, but since implementation it has also spawned the proliferation of numerous threads (a day?) complaining about the slowpokes or speedrunners, fake every role and has caused more vote kicks (based on what I read here) than ever existed previously. So kind of a toss up on whether it is a plus or minus to the game. So I vote for letting folks that would prefer to not do random normals with others to earn their transmutes.... go about their business how they choose. Nothing good ever comes from forcing folks into situations they would rather avoid.

Nevermind random normals being harder for folks who have subbed or bought DLC's with PITA dungeons in them.

I do random normals often as I make PvP builds a LOT so need gems

I usually "fake tank". I'm a DPS with inner fire on.

Pretty much every dungeon I'm in, everyone is all "good job" or "thank you" at the end. Never any complaints about how fast the dungeon was.

Sometimes someone say they need to do quest, so I wait up. Others might not, but it's not a problem with the system, it's that some people don't care about other's experience. It's their game too, so that's their choice I guess.

You have to remember that a forum, for the most part, will only focus on the negatives of something.

Most people don't flock to a forum to say they like how something works.

For most people, the way it is now works perfectly.

I was mostly thinking about myself. Not a dungeon fan, and when I do one it is generally with just my wife to farm gear, as we are more than capable of dealing with normal dungeons. I never do random groups, as unlike you it sounds, I have never had a fun experience doing them with random players in the past, so simply choose not to. It would be nice though, to get the reward from whatever dungeon / trail / arena we may happen to do. I say nice, because it isn't really necessary at all, as I earn transmutes considerably easier in Cyrodiil.

Yeh, and that's fair enough.

I was just highlighting that what you see on a forum, or social media, or wherever, is not a great reflection.

People are far more likely to go to these places to complain than praise.

So the forum having a thread a day about fake tanks probably makes it look like a bigger issue than it is.

If people as a whole were more inclined to post positive feedback, there would be far more threads praising the LFG tool for dungeons than criticise it.

I mean, it's a problem with people and society as a whole, not just this game tbf.

I would encourage you use the LFG with your wife again.

If you can do them as a duo, one put inner fire on and queue as tank, one put some sort of heal and queue as healer. As long as the boss doesn't run around, people won't care if you're an actual tank.

And if you're doing a quest, say at the start. I've been levelling a new character and going through each dungeon as it unlocks, and I say I'm doing the quest, and vast majority have waited around when as I talk to people to progress it.

I actually think dungeon queue is one of the only places in this game where people interact with you. Like the quick chat for hello, and thank you, and good job, and goodbye. Nobody does that anywhere else really.

seldomseenkd · December 2021

I agree. Random veterans need to yield significantly more transmutes per hour than random normals.

The trade offs as I see them are:

Separation of players who want to run normals for the quest/skillpoint and players who want the most transmutes/hour. Increased queue times for random normals but decreased queue times for the vet. queue.
Actively rewards effective players with more transmutes/hour than ineffective players.
Playerbase overall less tolerant of ineffective players resulting in more vote kicks.
Increase in the average skilllevel of the entire playerbase.
Players immediately dropping group the moment a vet. DLC dungeon pops.
Overall decrease in the number of players using the dungeon finder.

Merforum · December 2021

seldomseenkd wrote: »

I agree. Random veterans need to yield significantly more transmutes per hour than random normals.

The trade offs as I see them are:

Separation of players who want to run normals for the quest/skillpoint and players who want the most transmutes/hour. Increased queue times for random normals but decreased queue times for the vet. queue.
Actively rewards effective players with more transmutes/hour than ineffective players.
Playerbase overall less tolerant of ineffective players resulting in more vote kicks.
Increase in the average skilllevel of the entire playerbase.
Players immediately dropping group the moment a vet. DLC dungeon pops.
Overall decrease in the number of players using the dungeon finder.

Thanks for you comment. The initial idea is

1. to reduce the amount of transmutes (and maybe other incentives) in normal random DF (maybe even remove transmutes as someone said since they only got put there after transmute station) enough to make it not worth the time for speedrunners

2. give a second or more ways to get those transmutes, with random BGs being perfect alternative place for giving those transmutes (and at the same time trying to increase the population)

3. also add some transmute rewards for pledges, trials and arenas, to further reduce the need to speedrun DF, more ways for free stuff, who can object

The benefit of these suggestions is to minimize the amount of work the devs would have to do to implement while maximizing the benefit. There is obviously a time vs rewards balance they would want to achieve, just a matter of testing a few scenarios.

Sarannah · December 2021

I agree with the OP.

Merforum · December 2021

Sarannah wrote: »

I agree with the OP.

Thank you very much. Please feel free to elaborate whenever you have a few moments to spare.

Brrrofski · December 2021

bmnoble wrote: »

To be fair I saw plenty of speed runners in normal dungeons even before they brought in the 10 transmute crystal reward, so not sure what difference it will really make, worst case you could end up with more people in the Vet queue constantly leaving group till they get a base game Vet dungeon.

Can't really comment much on BG don't really bother with them much.

Thank you for commenting that the proposed idea isn't a good one.

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spartaxoxo · December 2021

Kwoung wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Kwoung wrote: »

Honestly, the transmutes shouldn't be tied to random dungeons IMHO. Your first dungeon, trial or arena of the day, should reward you the transmutes, regardless of group size or solo. Most who speedrun for transmutes, are more than capable of doing it solo, and would probably prefer doing it that way. I am not a dungeon fan, but when I do one it is usually to help a friend in a particular dungeon... and it would be nice to get some extra transmutes for that, especially since these are generally harder than your standard random normal, as are arenas and trials.

The point of the transmute reward though is to get you to help people who queued for that specific dungeon. And it's done a good job at getting dungeon queue times down and dungeons completed.

True, but since implementation it has also spawned the proliferation of numerous threads (a day?) complaining about the slowpokes or speedrunners, fake every role and has caused more vote kicks (based on what I read here) than ever existed previously. So kind of a toss up on whether it is a plus or minus to the game. So I vote for letting folks that would prefer to not do random normals with others to earn their transmutes.... go about their business how they choose.

Nevermind random normals being harder for folks who have subbed or bought DLC's with PITA dungeons in them. Which is very odd, to say the least.

People have complained about having to do DLCs since before the transmute reward existed.

Prior to this reward it was not uncommon for me to wait an hour for a dungeon to pop as a dps. I'll take having to hold down the sprint button over waiting over an hour for a dungeon any day.

On top of that the failure rate for vet dungeons was far higher. To the point I outright refused to do anything harder in PUGs. Now, I don't have issues trying the hard mode out a bit and have even successfully completed it multiple times. I'm clearing out old speedruns too. Why? All the people with the bad builds looking for the biggest rewards are in normal queue.

This why I like the reward. It has improved the quantity and quality of the rewards.

Most people complaining either don't understand the point of the daily bonus (Pay me to help anyone who needs it), don't have the best builds and struggle to keep up, or are trying to listen to the quest. I personally think the "joining encounter in progress" is good enough for the middle group. And that a solo mode with no group rewards is best for the latter, as you couldn't hear the dialogue before the reward.

I don't find the first point valid as it goes against the entire purpose of the rewards to the detriment of the health of the game and the ability for product to function.