ESO is not that kind of game, and the dev time could be much better used elsewhere IMO. If you want an everquest experience, may I just suggest you play everquest. I can understand that many want more of a challenge, but at what cost to normal development?

Only worth doing trifectas at the moment.

Try random vet dlc pug run. This is extremely difficult mode. For your patience too. 😄

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There are very few people that have Trifectas.

The rewards for trifectas aren't good enough for most players to spend the time. They do nothing to help your character other than cosmetics. We need very rare sets with good bonuses for players to get invested.

Hardcore dungeons = Hardcore loot

So you just want nicer loot? The point of doing the Trifectas is the higher difficulty.

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Also frankly, cosmetics aren't raking in companies billions of dollars because they aren't worth it. People aren't doing trifectas because dlc dungeon achievements are not easy and significantly harder than normal vet.

Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

Toxic_Hemlock wrote: »

ESO is not that kind of game, and the dev time could be much better used elsewhere IMO. If you want an everquest experience, may I just suggest you play everquest. I can understand that many want more of a challenge, but at what cost to normal development?

Zero cost to development. Very low opportunity cost on players who bounce.

I'll never play EQ again. That game is ancient. ESO is the best MMO out right now.

Zero cost to develop?? Unless the dev in question is an unpaid intern there is always a cost to assigning a dev to anything.
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I edited my post for clarity before you responded. What I'm saying is there is little-to-no additional development cost for ZOS to adjust difficulty sliders and change loot tables for the next dungeon release. I'm not saying there's zero development cost, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Content is easier in ESO because it's more accessible to a broader audience and thus generates more revenue. The introvert personality trait and associated social behavior makes sense as well.

We're on the same page here. It would just be nice if they added some difficult content with greater rewards. Imperial City is a great example. It's completely dead except for Mayhem event. Add some powerful PvP gear but make it difficult to acquire and watch Imperial City become the most popular hotspot for PvP. The same applies to dungeons.

It sounds like a Challenge that is closer to an Arena or Trial HM than a dungeon.

I do like the idea of pulls being more challenging though, maybe it would help stop DDs from pulling left and right.

I’m sure Zos got the information laying around on how many people got vet trial trifecta’s. Because this Challenge sounds tougher than even that…

If 0.2 % got all the trial trifectas, and you offer an even harder Challenge.. that is a very very small playerbase this content i directed towards.

Can't say I'm super interested in 2h dungeons when I have super limited time now to play and probably won't be able to fully commit to it but can't be opposed to the idea as there are plenty of committed players that have all the time in the world for that.

People concerned about "0.2%" shouldn't worry much as game should cater to all the player levels (and not only the very bottom) so it's pretty logical to assume people want to progress further at a higher difficulties, it's what most RPGs I played were about. It's pretty stagnant at the "very end" to just "leave as is".

I'd prefer Story mode.

Iam against it. There is no reason to provide specific content just for the upper 0.05% of the games population. Also 2h to clear? Who should do that? Dungeons are nice and played because you dont have to plan the whole night just to do it once.

You want a dungeon that takes 1-2 hrs minimum subject to the random queue? Are you serious?

2 hour clears? Sounds awful.

(and also, thinking about "speedrun" culture, I'm pretty sure most dungeon runners aren't into that anymore.)

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

I edited my post for clarity before you responded. What I'm saying is there is little-to-no additional development cost for ZOS to adjust difficulty sliders and change loot tables for the next dungeon release.

"Adjust difficulty slider"?!?

To make something as crazy long & slow as you're asking, they'd need to rework how these things work in the first place. New mechanics, new mob setups, etc. And then playtesting, balancing, playtesting, balancing, repeat... yeah, just move some sliders.

Ditto for the loot - you want better/stronger/etc loot, that all needs to be balanced, too.

Non-trivial amount of dev time here.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

SkaraMinoc wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There are very few people that have Trifectas.

The rewards for trifectas aren't good enough for most players to spend the time. They do nothing to help your character other than cosmetics. We need very rare sets with good bonuses for players to get invested.

Hardcore dungeons = Hardcore loot

So you want an extremely hard dungeon that you can complete with an exclusive gear set that will force people to try to complete the dungeon?

Just go one person a 12 man trial on vet.

Just trying to widen the gap between elites and the lowly plebs who already struggle to keep up on trials and PvP.