What am I doing wrong?

mlecho74
mlecho74
I saw the NB Bow/2 handed build on Force Gaming, and have been structuring my build around that. I've gotten up to level 23, but it seems to me that I'm a little weak. For most boss fights (including the main quest), I'm finding I need to be 4 or 5 levels higher to have a chance of survival. I'm not saying I should be superman, but I do think I shouldn't be dying so often.

Currently, I have 2 pieces of heavy armor and 5 medium. They're all enchanted for health. My bow and 2 handed are enchanted for flame. I have 5 magicka and 17 stamina at level 23. Below is my current build:

http://eso.massyx.de/1hD8eTX

Should I respec, and if so, what should I be doing? Or am I right where I should be?
  • gimmethecreepsb14_ESO
    Your build doesn't look bad, it doesn't look terribly far off from what I do on my sorc. Nightblades struggle to find CC powers so I'd recommend finding as many as possible. When in doubt, kite. The root, movement speed sap, and health drain from siphon are always great survivability powers too. I used nothing but the speed sap and funnel health to kill the level 42 worm cult assassins For my vampirism quest, albeit it sucked haha. Movement is going to be key, be ready to move in and out of melee range and have the CC's to help. Face tanking quest bosses generally never works.
  • Lazarus_Long
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    Not to be rude, but if you have to be level 20 to kill a level 15 main story boss you are most likely not using the game mechanics to their fullest. Your build should be fine.

    Instead of asking "What am I missing?", ask "What am I not doing?"

    Are you blocking, interrupting, and dodging? Are you using the potions, food, and glyphs that you find? Are you repairing your armor and keeping it as close to your level as you can? Are you using both your stamina and magicka pools?

    These are just few things to try. For more check out the guide in my signature.

    Also, if this doesn't help, please tell us as best you can what a typical death scenario is like for you. How you start battle, how you mitigate damage, what enemy moves are the most deadly for you, etc.
    Edited by Lazarus_Long on April 27, 2014 9:52AM
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  • gimmethecreepsb14_ESO
    The big thing is movement and understanding the quest boss fights. Quest bosses will generally have mechanics you'll need to overcome in order to kill them. Like for dagger fall the first real quest boss is a harvester who summons the orbs that heal her if you don't kill them fast enough. If you do, they heal you. Get familiar with the mechanics of the bosses your fighting and the combat goes from impossible to just challenging. And don't try to stand up a boss and face tank it in medium armor. You're generally asking for a respawn, lol.
  • mlecho74
    mlecho74
    That's probably my biggest problem. I tend to face tank too much. I tried kiting on one boss today and did much better. It's tougher keeping ahead of their attacks, though, as they don't really need to target you. I appreciate the insight, all. I was thinking it was either the build or my play style - finding it was the latter helps.

    I have to admit, I miss having a pet to tank for me. Other games where I've played an ranger have had one, and this is causing me to have to rethink how I play.
  • Lazarus_Long
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    mlecho74 wrote: »
    That's probably my biggest problem. I tend to face tank too much. I tried kiting on one boss today and did much better. It's tougher keeping ahead of their attacks, though, as they don't really need to target you. I appreciate the insight, all. I was thinking it was either the build or my play style - finding it was the latter helps.

    I have to admit, I miss having a pet to tank for me. Other games where I've played an ranger have had one, and this is causing me to have to rethink how I play.

    If you like pets try the Sorcerer with a bow. I saw one owning a giant last night.
    Edited by Lazarus_Long on April 27, 2014 5:30PM
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  • gimmethecreepsb14_ESO
    mlecho74 wrote: »
    That's probably my biggest problem. I tend to face tank too much. I tried kiting on one boss today and did much better. It's tougher keeping ahead of their attacks, though, as they don't really need to target you. I appreciate the insight, all. I was thinking it was either the build or my play style - finding it was the latter helps.

    I have to admit, I miss having a pet to tank for me. Other games where I've played an ranger have had one, and this is causing me to have to rethink how I play.

    Takes a big man/woman to admit they're the ones in the wrong, not the build. I commend you on that. You could go with a sorc pet build, but knowing the fights or picking up on the mechanics is going to be key regardless. For instance, u do Faolchu in DaggerFall Cov. quests, he's a werewolf that's harmed by fire (you learn this thru the long quest chain you've done leading up to the boss fight) So when you fight him in the castle, at points fire will fall from the ceiling onto the floor, and you need to lure him into it. Now, if you don't do this, defeating him becomes nearly impossible (or just ridiculously long, meticulous kiting, etc.) so learning boss mechanics may be a problem too. Even with pets, if you dont understand the boss's mechanics, you're going to struggle regardless.

    Not to be an elitist, but this is not a game where you can stand still and just bobble through a DPS rotation like in other MMO's. You're going to have to move around a bit. Go on youtube and look up the Molag Bal final boss fight if you don't believe me. So you need to adapt to movement or you're pretty much doomed from the start.
  • Razzak
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    I am definitely not the most experienced in NB but it looks like you are heavily built around your stamina. Are you having problems using your NB skills with only 5 points in magicka?
    I have a NB at lvl 16 and even though I use dual skills a lot, I often find out that my magicka pool is more important and started focusing more on that part.

  • Lalaeith
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    Razzak wrote: »
    I am definitely not the most experienced in NB but it looks like you are heavily built around your stamina. Are you having problems using your NB skills with only 5 points in magicka?
    I have a NB at lvl 16 and even though I use dual skills a lot, I often find out that my magicka pool is more important and started focusing more on that part.

    Same here. I have a bow-only NB and although I am using bow abilities, they're mostly interrupts or openers, so I invested much more points in Magicka and I normally have plenty of stamina left to use while my Magicka pool recovers.
    And as many here said before: move. With mostly medium armour, bosses don't need that many direct hits to get you down, so make sure they don't hit you at all. If you can, you could try investing a point or two in cripple from the siphoning skill line or path of darkness from the shadow line. They increase your movement speed wich is awesome for kiting.
  • Thunder
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    When you follow someone else's build choices you don't know why they took what and how important it is, much less what they planned to use when and how they planned on using it.

    Even worse, you could easily miss out on all sorts of abilities that would be a much better fit your play style, and therefore more powerful in the long run, not to mention more fun for you to play.

    For me, about 75% of the fun of playing an MMO is coming up with a build/play style that I like. In a lot of MMOs there are very few build choices, so it mostly comes down to finding which class and subclass role best fits your play style. In ESO there are so many possibilities that I have about a dozen more ideas than I could ever dream of having time exploring.

    To each their own, but I think you'll get a lot more out of it, have a lot more fun, and a more powerful of a character if you follow your own build.
  • mlecho74
    mlecho74
    Razzak wrote: »
    I am definitely not the most experienced in NB but it looks like you are heavily built around your stamina. Are you having problems using your NB skills with only 5 points in magicka?
    I have a NB at lvl 16 and even though I use dual skills a lot, I often find out that my magicka pool is more important and started focusing more on that part.

    Not really. I tend to primarily use the weapons skills. I use the NB skills for surprise attacks (invisibility and teleport strike), and then for strife. So far, that's been fine.
  • knaveofengland
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    get in a team you cant solo everything ,
  • Gisgo
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    As a stamina NB, Flying blade made everything easier.
    As long as it can be snared, it can be kited, no matter how big and bad it looks.
    If it cant be snared im in troubles lol...
  • RustyBlades
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    I find tanking with a pet unsatisfying mainly due to the pet never looking like it is doing anything (I have the PJ dino atm). I know it is as mobs die around it, but I never see it attack. Of course, I am a plate wielding 2h sword toting sorc. I am mainly running curses and have found myself investing in a lot of passives. I only die when I do something stupid (I think I can hit that rock from here.. maybe not..).
  • Sorpaijen_ESO
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    I have 5 magicka and 17 stamina at level 23.

    Unless I'm mis-interpreting this, does this mean you haven't ever invested attribute points into health at all? That might be an easy way to up your survivability some --- give you more time to use the magicka and stamina you have.
  • mlecho74
    mlecho74
    I have 5 magicka and 17 stamina at level 23.

    Unless I'm mis-interpreting this, does this mean you haven't ever invested attribute points into health at all? That might be an easy way to up your survivability some --- give you more time to use the magicka and stamina you have.


    I tried that on a previous character, dividing between health, stamina, and magicka, but it made me worse off, as I kept running out of stamina to make attacks and then dying off. Since this thread, I've been doing more dodging and blocking, and I seem to be doing well. Having my armor slotted for health seems to be a fairly decent replacement for putting points into health. I still tend to run out of stamina fairly quickly (in my opinion), and have to kite quest bosses for a bit.

    Although since I do have a fairly large stamina pool at this point, it might not be a bad idea to invest some in health for awhile and see what happens.
    Edited by mlecho74 on April 29, 2014 11:17AM
  • Meogi
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    I learned the hard way to invest in health and get my magic/stamina regen/points from the gear (low level content)

    I would recommend that you try to recommit your attribute points to more health (personally I would put all there, but I am by far an expert).

    Also Siphon health morphed to Swallow Soul (unless you aim at being in group and support heal, then the funnel health better) is a real charmer.

    If you are on EU server, feel free to add me to friends list, I am a bit behind you with my Templar, but always happy to team up.

    However, all in all, I am no expert and tend to use all my gold to respect :|
    Edited by Meogi on April 29, 2014 3:40PM
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