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Mementos as ultimate skills
drsalvation
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One of the reasons why we don't get new classes and skills is because apparently there's not enough space for new animations effects, etc (considering low-storage devices and consoles).
Thing is, there are so many cool mementos that don't really do anything...
Storm Attronach transform looks awesome, it does nothing tho.
There's a cool dwarven armor that looks like an ironman suit, again, just a memento.
Not to mention the ones from the current crown crates, where you summon a giant fire daedroth or a skull colossus.
All of these would make for cool Ultimate skills (I mean, the mementos could still stay for anyone who likes the effects but doesn't have the skill, they can't be used in PvP anyway so it's not like they're going to be used to deceive other players).
The animations are already there (and what's more, I've seen cultists use that giant fire daedroth as a skill against you)
I still think most armor sets should've been skills taking an active slot from your bar, especially DC, but that's a discussion for another day.
Thing is, there are so many cool mementos that don't really do anything...
Storm Attronach transform looks awesome, it does nothing tho.
There's a cool dwarven armor that looks like an ironman suit, again, just a memento.
Not to mention the ones from the current crown crates, where you summon a giant fire daedroth or a skull colossus.
All of these would make for cool Ultimate skills (I mean, the mementos could still stay for anyone who likes the effects but doesn't have the skill, they can't be used in PvP anyway so it's not like they're going to be used to deceive other players).
The animations are already there (and what's more, I've seen cultists use that giant fire daedroth as a skill against you)
I still think most armor sets should've been skills taking an active slot from your bar, especially DC, but that's a discussion for another day.
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PeacefulAnarchy✭✭✭✭✭
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Where are you getting this from? The main reason for no new classes or skills is balance and effort, not lack of "space for animation effects." It's not like there would be more happening on screen than now, it would just be different things.drsalvation wrote: »One of the reasons why we don't get new classes and skills is because apparently there's not enough space for new animations effects, etc (considering low-storage devices and consoles).
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drsalvation✭✭✭✭✭I recall hearing that from a recent stream (or at least they brought it up as something they couldn't do before, but they definitely mentioned it)3
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Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭drsalvation wrote: »One of the reasons why we don't get new classes and skills is because apparently there's not enough space for new animations effects, etc (considering low-storage devices and consoles).
Thing is, there are so many cool mementos that don't really do anything...
Storm Attronach transform looks awesome, it does nothing tho.
There's a cool dwarven armor that looks like an ironman suit, again, just a memento.
Not to mention the ones from the current crown crates, where you summon a giant fire daedroth or a skull colossus.
All of these would make for cool Ultimate skills (I mean, the mementos could still stay for anyone who likes the effects but doesn't have the skill, they can't be used in PvP anyway so it's not like they're going to be used to deceive other players).
The animations are already there (and what's more, I've seen cultists use that giant fire daedroth as a skill against you)
I still think most armor sets should've been skills taking an active slot from your bar, especially DC, but that's a discussion for another day.
Pie throwing memento as an ulti that the turns the pie huge and upon throwing in knocks back and flattens the enemy to the ground
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OldStygian✭✭✭✭I like the idea. Some welcome variety and a real use for momentos - maybe not all of them, sure, but a lot of them could easily become something.1 -
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✭When Dragons first came out, I would run around using that Dwarven Steam Vent memento that explodes and you hear metal falling - like it was a skill. “I’m helping!” troll. Lol.
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This post makes no sense. As mentioned above balance is what holds back the introduction of new skill lines and classes. Mementos are just fancy emotes that have nothing to due with anything.
Also new classes and skills are used as selling points for new content releases.
For your last point, I completely disagree. What you're suggesting would completely change how the game works and will never happen.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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✭✭✭✭✭Mementos are often locked behind RNG and paywall with Crown Crates....unless they were ones that were in the base game, available for all players of any level to obtain through leveling, then this idea falls flat on its face.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »
Where are you getting this from? The main reason for no new classes or skills is balance and effort, not lack of "space for animation effects." It's not like there would be more happening on screen than now, it would just be different things.drsalvation wrote: »One of the reasons why we don't get new classes and skills is because apparently there's not enough space for new animations effects, etc (considering low-storage devices and consoles).
and we have received two new classes in the past five years and a combat skill line with an ultimate. It would not make sense to add a new class every year.0 -
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✭✭The idea certainly is different. Not sure if I support, but would be nice to have better mementos0 -
drsalvation✭✭✭✭✭I'm not saying that Mementos should be used as Ultimates.
I'm saying that there should be Ultimate skills that use some of the memento animations/effects.
If I recall correctly, Sorcerers have an ultimate where they turn completely electric. Why not make one of those morphs make you look the way you do when you use the storm attronach memento? It wouldn't really change anything other than the visuals.
I also get that including new skills would alter the "balance" (but... is this game really balanced tho? I guess it is in the sense that half of all skills are useless and the other half are meta).1 -
Ksariyu✭✭✭✭I understand that from a technical standpoint, animations are a limiting factor in how many skills we have.
But really, with all of the requests for new classes and weapons and skills, nobody has brought an actual interesting idea for NEW skill mechanics. There's already a ton of overlap in the current skill list, with nearly everything being either a short-term passive buff, a short-term passive DoT/HoT, or a spammable. I know for RP reasons that sometimes new visuals and animations can be cool, but I can't find the gameplay benefit to more skills at this point. Just look at how many skills and sets and items and everything else that's basically completely ignored at endgame because they're simply ineffective. Fix those first, then we'll talk about adding
For those wondering about the animation limits mentioned in the OP: https://www.ign.com/articles/eso2-zenimax-online-studio-head-talks-possibility-of-elder-scrolls-online-sequel-ign-unfiltered
Matt Firor mentions not being able to add animations due to memory limits on last-gen consoles. I guess that's not an issue with the Series X and PS5, but as they still support the game on the One and PS4, I'm not sure if it's still a problem overall.1 -
WraithShadow13✭✭✭✭i think this game definitely needs more ultimates and this would be a great way to make mementos way more worthwhile1
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✭✭good idea
memenentos are really kinda boring and no good use in game. those animations would be better used on spells and attacks and stuff"Class identity isn’t just about power or efficiency. It’s about symbolic clarity, mechanical cohesion, and a shared visual and tactical language between players." - sans-culottes1 -
mekops_ESO✭✭✭"not enough room"
this is the "i cant go i have to wash my hair" excuse.
as in theres probably a real reason somewhere but its almost certain we didnt just hear it.1 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Only one memento does and it's one of the reasons mementos are disabled in Cyrodiil. (At least I think so) Why the experience booster for the Midyear Mayhem is a physical item in your inventory you activate.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK0 -
drsalvation✭✭✭✭✭I understand that from a technical standpoint, animations are a limiting factor in how many skills we have.
But really, with all of the requests for new classes and weapons and skills, nobody has brought an actual interesting idea for NEW skill mechanics. There's already a ton of overlap in the current skill list, with nearly everything being either a short-term passive buff, a short-term passive DoT/HoT, or a spammable. I know for RP reasons that sometimes new visuals and animations can be cool, but I can't find the gameplay benefit to more skills at this point. Just look at how many skills and sets and items and everything else that's basically completely ignored at endgame because they're simply ineffective. Fix those first, then we'll talk about adding
For those wondering about the animation limits mentioned in the OP: https://www.ign.com/articles/eso2-zenimax-online-studio-head-talks-possibility-of-elder-scrolls-online-sequel-ign-unfiltered
Matt Firor mentions not being able to add animations due to memory limits on last-gen consoles. I guess that's not an issue with the Series X and PS5, but as they still support the game on the One and PS4, I'm not sure if it's still a problem overall.
yup, that's the video!
And heck, at this point I'm not even for new skills using mementos as animations, but each and every update we get new gear, and new gear usually give you new skills that proc (not skills that you cast).
Even those could use the same memento effects.
Imagine the proc from selene's (or sellstrix? The one where you summon the bear), but using the same cool daedroth fire from crown crates.
Or mechanical acuity using the dwemervamidium mirage armor (it looks cool if you wanna do an ironman cosplay lol)
At the very least, I think we could at least use SOME mementos in PvP (like the aforementioned mirage armor, or the the storm atronach transform/aura, things that only alter your appearance and don't affect other players).0
