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Did ZOS break sneak attacks?

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Vylaera
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On my magicka nightblade last patch, I was hitting target dummies and overland enemies for 104k damage with Soul Harvest. This patch, with the exact same gear, the exact same skills, and the exact same combo, I'm hitting for less than half.

Here's a screenshot of a test dummy gank from about 3 weeks ago:
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Additionally, here's a screenshot of me hitting a Troll with this same combo to prove beyond doubt that it isn't a dummy bug:
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And here I am, same character, CP is slotted after the refund, using the same skills, same gear, and same gank combo, and I'm hitting for less than half:
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I did a troll test as well but didn't screenshot it. I hit him for 45k with Soul harvest.

None of my gear was nerfed, this is a basic Spinner's/War Maiden/Balorgh setup with Inferno Staff. The only difference between these two ganks is that a new patch went live.

Did ZOS accidentally break stealth attacks? That's the only thing I can think of that would change this.
Edited by Vylaera on November 7, 2021 2:03AM
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  • Vylaera
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    edited, accidently posted the first screenshot twice for both where it's supposed to go and for where the current patch gank was supposed to go. Post has been fixed to have the current patch gank
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  • xeNNNNN
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    I haven't touched any PvP related Nightblade since MYM, but I will say even in PvE I have noticed (even after switching out dead gear, changing CP, mundus etc) that my damage has effectively been halved.

    I am by no means a "good" dps, but I was doing 60kish in most dungeons(vet) now I can barely hit 40k, on top of that when farming BSW Inferno earlier (which I finally got after 4 years, yay me) I couldn't even get 28k+ on normal bosses which is a massive drop from my 40-50k that I normally maintain when farming normals for gear and such.

    Something definitely feels wonky on nightblade. Doesn't feel right at all. 4 years of playing MNB and I have never had a situation where my damage has dropped off this hard. So I don't think its just sneak attacks. Unless we're both missing something?

    EDIT: Weirdly I still get my usual 60-70k on raid dummies (could be higher if I didn't ability lag all the time) but when in actual content? Everything just halves from what it was.
    Edited by xeNNNNN on November 7, 2021 2:34AM
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  • Vevvev
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    There was another thread on the subject, but the answer is yes. They broke sneak attacks again.
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  • Vylaera
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    xeNNNNN wrote: »
    Something definitely feels wonky on nightblade. Doesn't feel right at all. 4 years of playing MNB and I have never had a situation where my damage has dropped off this hard. So I don't think its just sneak attacks. Unless we're both missing something?

    Something is off on my stamblade too. I used to one hit trash overland 30k health enemies with snipe not even 2 weeks ago and now I've yet to do so since patch. I noticed something was very wrong when I was re-gearing my stamblade yesterday to get her out of Mech Acuity and I did some tests this morning to see where my mageblade was and came across this absolutely horrendous damage nerf.
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  • xeNNNNN
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    BroughBreaux wrote: »
    xeNNNNN wrote: »
    Something definitely feels wonky on nightblade. Doesn't feel right at all. 4 years of playing MNB and I have never had a situation where my damage has dropped off this hard. So I don't think its just sneak attacks. Unless we're both missing something?

    Something is off on my stamblade too. I used to one hit trash overland 30k health enemies with snipe not even 2 weeks ago and now I've yet to do so since patch. I noticed something was very wrong when I was re-gearing my stamblade yesterday to get her out of Mech Acuity and I did some tests this morning to see where my mageblade was and came across this absolutely horrendous damage nerf.

    I wonder, do you think they accidentally bugged out hemorrhage when they changed crit damage some how?

    The only thing I can think of is that its giving negative values with the damage calculation some how. Like a typo or something like that.

    "Hemorrhage:
    WHILE YOU HAVE AN ASSINATION ABILITY SLOTTED
    Increases your critical damage by 10%

    When you deal critical damage you grant you and your group minor savagery increasing your weapon critical rating by 1314 for 20 seconds."

    But thats just 10% critical damage surely that can't translate into a loss of 50% 0.o if my assumption is correct anyway.

    Edit: If I am getting the same numbers on raid dummies, perhaps its the boss and mobs seeing as well...depending on your outlook they aren't target dummies haha
    Edited by xeNNNNN on November 7, 2021 3:04AM
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  • Vylaera
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    There was another thread on the subject, but the answer is yes. They broke sneak attacks again.
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    Thanks for telling me. Did they give an ETA on a fix? This is super annoying, I can't pvp until this is fixed.
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  • techyeshic
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    Went and tested for myself as I had no idea. I just geared up my NB for the first time in a long time. Yep! It's broke! (or stealth nerfed)
  • FathomsDeep
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    Sneak attacks, the bonuses from several sets, including Night's Silence, completely broken, among other things. I filed a ticket, they politely said they'd fix it "nest patch". So. All stealth builds are entirely borked until... whenever?
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    So do we know what exactly is broken? Is is attacks that occur from sneak, or is it certain Nightblade skills/passives that aren't working correctly?
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    I doubt it's a bug. Sneak attack bonus was always critical damage. That means that it is governed by the crit cap. There is no bug, it's intended.
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  • Vylaera
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    FathomsDeep wrote: »
    Sneak attacks, the bonuses from several sets, including Night's Silence, completely broken, among other things. I filed a ticket, they politely said they'd fix it "nest patch". So. All stealth builds are entirely borked until... whenever?
    I'm shocked, this is totally uncharacteristic of ZOS.
    Lord_Hev wrote: »
    I doubt it's a bug. Sneak attack bonus was always critical damage. That means that it is governed by the crit cap. There is no bug, it's intended.
    I don't pass the crit cap in either screenshot, so you're wrong. It's not working as intended. It is broken, and it needs a fix.
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