Realistic FPS cap for ESO?
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At which rate should it be capped?
I have 144 hz rate I unlocked it however in trials this go between 100-120
And in Cyrodiil keep fights it can fall till 80 fps, is this normal?
Before upgrading I had the dream of 144 hz everywhere
Realistically at which rate I should cap it?
I have 144 hz rate I unlocked it however in trials this go between 100-120
And in Cyrodiil keep fights it can fall till 80 fps, is this normal?
Before upgrading I had the dream of 144 hz everywhere
Realistically at which rate I should cap it?
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✭✭✭✭✭I set mine to 606060 which is 165fps, in towns it gets to around 105, outdoors is about 120, indoors is 150ish, I don't pvp so I don't know what cyrodiil or battlegrounds go.0 -
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✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »I set mine to 606060 which is 165fps, in towns it gets to around 105, outdoors is about 120, indoors is 150ish, I don't pvp so I don't know what cyrodiil or battlegrounds go.
Good to know I am not alone
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah they say its not possible to notice anything above 60fps, I beg to differ. Things start to have this fluid like motion when stuff climbs above 120, after 150+ it gets weirdly smooth like a dream state, I also have G-Sync active so it compounds another 10-15% on top. It looks even better on First Person Shooters like Destiny 2 or Warframe.
It's the people who play at 200-300+ I think are crazy.Edited by phaneub17_ESO on November 8, 2021 5:09AM1 -
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✭✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »Yeah they say its not possible to notice anything above 60fps, I beg to differ. Things start to have this fluid like motion when stuff climbs above 120, after 150+ it gets weirdly smooth like a dream state, I also have G-Sync active so it compounds another 10-15% on top. It looks even better on First Person Shooters like Destiny 2 or Warframe.
It's the people who play at 200-300+ I think are crazy.
I agree
I used to have 60hz screen and after getting used to 144 (and trying to cap at 60) it feels strange, above 100 it feels smoother so I am sticking to 144 for nowEdited by Cirantille on November 8, 2021 5:16AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I am able to hold pretty stable at 144hz @3440X1440 (RTX 3080ti). My monitor will do 180hz (200 with OC), and I am able to get there, but its not really stable. I would rather cap a framerate I can keep consistent. Cyro is the elephant in the room. Best rig in the world wont hold 144 in that place. I keep settings maxed in overland, I scale back to ultra for trials, and often go to high for cyrodiil. On a big boss fight with lots going on in a 12 man trial, I might drop to 100-120 range here and there, but its not really noticeable to me.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on November 8, 2021 4:37PM1 -
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✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I am able to hold pretty stable at 144hz @3440X1440 (RTX 3080ti). My monitor will do 180hz (200 with OC), and I am able to get there, but its not really stable. I would rather cap a framerate I can keep consistent. Cyro is the elephant in the room. Best rig in the world wont hold 144 in that place. I keep settings maxed in overland, I scale back to ultra for trials, and often go to high for cyrodiil. On a big boss fight with lots going on in a 12 man trial, I might drop to 100-120 range here and there, but its not really noticeable to me.
Yes that is my go-to solution for pvp & trials too
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N3CR01✭✭✭✭I'm capped @ 144fps and I get an average of 100+ @ 1080 pretty much everywhere, in busy cities it can dip to 70fps.
Notice a HUGE difference when I go back and play @ 4k 30fps on my Xbox One X LOL.
SO glad I made the move to pc (or laptop to get technical)Edited by N3CR01 on November 8, 2021 10:00PM0 -
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✭I cap it for 4K @ 30fps usually. That keeps my machine quiet and I'd rather have the quiet than the extra fps that's not hugely noticeable in this game. I mean there is 50ms of server caused lag plus connection delays so it's not like the display is ever even up to date...
That said I'm sitting an arms length from a 46" display and I'd need to change glasses to read the small print at the bottom of the forum browser window 8)
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✭✭✭✭✭30's fine. 60's a bonus. /shrug
(as I sit here playing on my 10-year-old generic-tech 23" 1080p monitor. The bezel on this thing is massive. Plus side, it doesn't have a separate power brick.
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If your monitor is at 144Hz, then use that as the cap. (I have capped it to 140 or something). There's no need to lower the cap unless you are getting screen tearing.Cirantille wrote: »At which rate should it be capped?
I have 144 hz rate I unlocked it however in trials this go between 100-120
And in Cyrodiil keep fights it can fall till 80 fps, is this normal?
Before upgrading I had the dream of 144 hz everywhere
Realistically at which rate I should cap it?
If you are used to 30fps, it's fine. If you are used to 100+ (on a monitor that is 100Hz+) then 30fps looks horrendous.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »30's fine. 60's a bonus. /shrug
(as I sit here playing on my 10-year-old generic-tech 23" 1080p monitor. The bezel on this thing is massive. Plus side, it doesn't have a separate power brick. )
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If your monitor is at 144Hz, then use that as the cap. (I have capped it to 140 or something). There's no need to lower the cap unless you are getting screen tearing.Cirantille wrote: »At which rate should it be capped?
I have 144 hz rate I unlocked it however in trials this go between 100-120
And in Cyrodiil keep fights it can fall till 80 fps, is this normal?
Before upgrading I had the dream of 144 hz everywhere
Realistically at which rate I should cap it?
If you are used to 30fps, it's fine. If you are used to 100+ (on a monitor that is 100Hz+) then 30fps looks horrendous.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »30's fine. 60's a bonus. /shrug
(as I sit here playing on my 10-year-old generic-tech 23" 1080p monitor. The bezel on this thing is massive. Plus side, it doesn't have a separate power brick. )
Yeah, if you have a Gsync/freesync monitor, set it to the cap and be done with it. Even without it, I would cap to your monitor refresh rate and turn on Vsync in game. Gsync was a massive game changer as it completely eliminates screen tear. I also don't get "gamer eyes" anymore (super bloodshot if I play too much).
I wont pretend that I can tell the difference between 144-180 frames, but I have become very spoiled with Gsync. South of 100 looks very bad to me now. 30 might as well be a slide show. Would much rather play at 144hz at 1080p than 30hz in 2k/4k/ultrawide.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on November 9, 2021 7:20AM2 -
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✭✭Nevermind, I misread, it is already explained
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✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Yeah, if you have a Gsync/freesync monitor, set it to the cap and be done with it. Even without it, I would cap to your monitor refresh rate and turn on Vsync in game. Gsync was a massive game changer as it completely eliminates screen tear. I also don't get "gamer eyes" anymore (super bloodshot if I play too much).
I wont pretend that I can tell the difference between 144-180 frames, but I have become very spoiled with Gsync. South of 100 looks very bad to me now. 30 might as well be a slide show. Would much rather play at 144hz at 1080p than 30hz in 2k/4k/ultrawide.
Pretty much this. Once you go 120+ fps G-SYNC, you don't go back to 60 fps V-Sync ever again.
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✭✭✭✭✭SkaraMinoc wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Yeah, if you have a Gsync/freesync monitor, set it to the cap and be done with it. Even without it, I would cap to your monitor refresh rate and turn on Vsync in game. Gsync was a massive game changer as it completely eliminates screen tear. I also don't get "gamer eyes" anymore (super bloodshot if I play too much).
I wont pretend that I can tell the difference between 144-180 frames, but I have become very spoiled with Gsync. South of 100 looks very bad to me now. 30 might as well be a slide show. Would much rather play at 144hz at 1080p than 30hz in 2k/4k/ultrawide.
Pretty much this. Once you go 120+ fps G-SYNC, you don't go back to 60 fps V-Sync ever again.
Seriously. It was probably the most noticeable upgrade to my gaming experience since solid state hard drives were introduced.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I wont pretend that I can tell the difference between 144-180 frames, but I have become very spoiled with Gsync. South of 100 looks very bad to me now. 30 might as well be a slide show.SkaraMinoc wrote: »Pretty much this. Once you go 120+ fps G-SYNC, you don't go back to 60 fps V-Sync ever again.
Well, if that's truly the case, I will have to avoid all that tech.
(esp since there's no way I'd pay for a GPU capable of pushing out 100+ on high-end games & high-end monitors. Anything more than $200 for a new GPU is too much. Games look plenty pretty as it is.)Edited by Kiralyn2000 on November 9, 2021 4:57PM0 -
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✭phaneub17_ESO wrote: »Yeah they say its not possible to notice anything above 60fps, I beg to differ. Things start to have this fluid like motion when stuff climbs above 120, after 150+ it gets weirdly smooth like a dream state, I also have G-Sync active so it compounds another 10-15% on top. It looks even better on First Person Shooters like Destiny 2 or Warframe.
It's the people who play at 200-300+ I think are crazy.
Most folks are not going to notice much difference above 70-75hz. Things will look slightly more fluid as you climb to 144hz, but most people will not notice that. Hell most, myself included, don't really notice a difference between 60 and 75.
That said, some people will, same as an audiophile, I have tinnitus and I use a good headset, but don't go over the top for a really nice one because it would be wasted...if you can notice a visual difference I guess this would be annoying.--- HuntGod ---
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✭I forgot to say i play games from HDD, because there is only few seconds difference if loaded from SSD.
Depemds a lot on RAM size and other bits of system performance. With an 8GB box an SSD makes rrather a lot of difference, at 16 less so, at 96GB not a lot once it gets going 8)
SSD's are old hat anyway, it's NVME now and will be NVRAM fairly soon 8)
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ixthUA✭✭✭✭✭etchedpixels wrote: »I forgot to say i play games from HDD, because there is only few seconds difference if loaded from SSD.
Depemds a lot on RAM size and other bits of system performance. With an 8GB box an SSD makes rrather a lot of difference, at 16 less so, at 96GB not a lot once it gets going 8)
SSD's are old hat anyway, it's NVME now and will be NVRAM fairly soon 8)
That only if you keep pagefile on SSD, which is killing it anyway (constant writes).
Right now comfortable amount of RAM for gaming is 16 GB, another 8 GB stick costs as much as a small size SSD drive.
NVME uses same memory as SSDs, so they loose durability from writes.
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✭✭✭✭✭huntgod_ESO wrote: »phaneub17_ESO wrote: »Yeah they say its not possible to notice anything above 60fps, I beg to differ. Things start to have this fluid like motion when stuff climbs above 120, after 150+ it gets weirdly smooth like a dream state, I also have G-Sync active so it compounds another 10-15% on top. It looks even better on First Person Shooters like Destiny 2 or Warframe.
It's the people who play at 200-300+ I think are crazy.
Most folks are not going to notice much difference above 70-75hz. Things will look slightly more fluid as you climb to 144hz, but most people will not notice that. Hell most, myself included, don't really notice a difference between 60 and 75.
That said, some people will, same as an audiophile, I have tinnitus and I use a good headset, but don't go over the top for a really nice one because it would be wasted...if you can notice a visual difference I guess this would be annoying.
Yep, things like hearing and eyesight matter. I am a moderate audiophile, but my vision has always been off the charts. At 20 years old I had 20/12 vision, and recently at 40, it was measured at 20/15. My wife, who is blind as a bat, thinks I am nuts to obsess over my monitor and graphics card. She doesn't see it either. She can also barely tell the difference between 720p and 4k on the TV. Haha
I also heard for years that the human eye couldn't notice anything above 60hz. That may be true for some, but I can certainly tell the difference. Gun to my head, I would say anything over about 120hz is where I am not sure I can really tell. That said, what you absolutely notice is inconsistent frame rate. So if your frames are jumping from 100-180 and are all over the place, it is noticeable, which is why I do aim for a cap that I can hold consistent. Stable 144 FPS that is capped and synced looks far better than uncapped frames that bounce from 150-180.
I wildly overpaid for an ultrawide monitor capable of 180hz (200hz when OC'ed). Not sure I would do that again, but I will never go back to anything less than 144hz. 144hz @3440x1440 with Max Graphics settings is my goal on all games at this point. I can achieve with my setup for the most part. I prefer ultrawide to 4k. Easier to push high frames and I like the wide FOV for immersion.
That really is the ultimate 3 way balance. How many frames, at what resolution, and at what graphics settings. Regardless of the quality of your rig, there is always a sweet spot to be found.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on November 9, 2021 8:52PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Yep, things like hearing and eyesight matter. I am a moderate audiophile, but my vision has always been off the charts. At 20 years old I had 20/12 vision, and recently at 40, it was measured at 20/15. My wife, who is blind as a bat, thinks I am nuts to obsess over my monitor and graphics card. She doesn't see it either. She can also barely tell the difference between 720p and 4k on the TV. Haha
Hah. Yeah, meanwhile, my left eye is around 20/90 and my right is above 20/300.
My latest trip to the optician, I got separate reading & computer glasses.
Whee.
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✭✭✭✭✭My laptop is 1440 165. So where can I change it to move the cap?
Someone actually posted it on the forums a couple months ago, this should help:
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✭✭✭✭✭Kiralyn2000 wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Yep, things like hearing and eyesight matter. I am a moderate audiophile, but my vision has always been off the charts. At 20 years old I had 20/12 vision, and recently at 40, it was measured at 20/15. My wife, who is blind as a bat, thinks I am nuts to obsess over my monitor and graphics card. She doesn't see it either. She can also barely tell the difference between 720p and 4k on the TV. Haha
Hah. Yeah, meanwhile, my left eye is around 20/90 and my right is above 20/300.
My latest trip to the optician, I got separate reading & computer glasses.
Whee.
Probably wouldn't go overboard on a high-end monitor or graphics card in your shoes either.
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✭✭✭I wish my fps was high enough to *require* a cap. I play ESO from Australia, my ESO ping is typically at/almost 400, and the fps tends to be low, even with the multithreading option enabled.Edited by Beilin_Balreis_Colcan on November 9, 2021 11:54PMPC(Steam) / EU / play from Melbourne, Australia / avg ping 3900 -
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✭✭SkaraMinoc wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »Yeah, if you have a Gsync/freesync monitor, set it to the cap and be done with it. Even without it, I would cap to your monitor refresh rate and turn on Vsync in game. Gsync was a massive game changer as it completely eliminates screen tear. I also don't get "gamer eyes" anymore (super bloodshot if I play too much).
I wont pretend that I can tell the difference between 144-180 frames, but I have become very spoiled with Gsync. South of 100 looks very bad to me now. 30 might as well be a slide show. Would much rather play at 144hz at 1080p than 30hz in 2k/4k/ultrawide.
Pretty much this. Once you go 120+ fps G-SYNC, you don't go back to 60 fps V-Sync ever again.
Wait, I don't need vsync to be on if I have free sync?0 -
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✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »huntgod_ESO wrote: »phaneub17_ESO wrote: »Yeah they say its not possible to notice anything above 60fps, I beg to differ. Things start to have this fluid like motion when stuff climbs above 120, after 150+ it gets weirdly smooth like a dream state, I also have G-Sync active so it compounds another 10-15% on top. It looks even better on First Person Shooters like Destiny 2 or Warframe.
It's the people who play at 200-300+ I think are crazy.
Most folks are not going to notice much difference above 70-75hz. Things will look slightly more fluid as you climb to 144hz, but most people will not notice that. Hell most, myself included, don't really notice a difference between 60 and 75.
That said, some people will, same as an audiophile, I have tinnitus and I use a good headset, but don't go over the top for a really nice one because it would be wasted...if you can notice a visual difference I guess this would be annoying.
Yep, things like hearing and eyesight matter. I am a moderate audiophile, but my vision has always been off the charts. At 20 years old I had 20/12 vision, and recently at 40, it was measured at 20/15. My wife, who is blind as a bat, thinks I am nuts to obsess over my monitor and graphics card. She doesn't see it either. She can also barely tell the difference between 720p and 4k on the TV. Haha
I also heard for years that the human eye couldn't notice anything above 60hz. That may be true for some, but I can certainly tell the difference. Gun to my head, I would say anything over about 120hz is where I am not sure I can really tell. That said, what you absolutely notice is inconsistent frame rate. So if your frames are jumping from 100-180 and are all over the place, it is noticeable, which is why I do aim for a cap that I can hold consistent. Stable 144 FPS that is capped and synced looks far better than uncapped frames that bounce from 150-180.
I wildly overpaid for an ultrawide monitor capable of 180hz (200hz when OC'ed). Not sure I would do that again, but I will never go back to anything less than 144hz. 144hz @3440x1440 with Max Graphics settings is my goal on all games at this point. I can achieve with my setup for the most part. I prefer ultrawide to 4k. Easier to push high frames and I like the wide FOV for immersion.
That really is the ultimate 3 way balance. How many frames, at what resolution, and at what graphics settings. Regardless of the quality of your rig, there is always a sweet spot to be found.
I wear glasses and have a pretty significant astigmatism, so 60hz works fine for me, I use 3 40" 4k TV's, though I will likely move back to monitors as some point and 100-144 is what I will likely go with.--- HuntGod ---
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