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Anyone tried playing a bow gank in New update
ksbrugh
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I was just wondering because I like to run a bowgank in PvP and ever since they nerfed the heck out of snipe I have had to totally build into crit damage and now my crit will by far exceed $125%. I'm assuming that I will have to go with cheesy proc sets from now on maybe that's what ZOS wants. I'm not sure. Anyways let me know what you think about crit damage for bowgank in PVP I'm on Xbox and my update has not hit yet and I would like to prepare on collecting gear to keep my bow viable. But at this point I don't think it ever will be again there goes three of my characters with gold everything
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Shepoffire✭✭✭I’m not ever at crit cap. I’m a console player. Been running the same gank since markarth with a few tweaks here and there0 -
Vylaera✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bow gank is in a tough spot currently. We need a new Arena with new weapons because all the arena bows suck, and balorgh, which is the go-to gank set, sucks because the bow ultimate is worse than simply not using an ultimate.
That said, Caluurion's Legacy + Stygian + monster set of choice is the best setup you can do right now.
Meta gank build is 2h right now and I hate the playstyle. Balorgh + Incapacitating strike does a bit of damage, as does balorgh + soul harvest on mageblade, but you have to get too close for comfort.Vy • lae • ra | Fan of all things Vampiric | PC NA | Accurate World Map artist | Immaculate Reshade author0 -
Shepoffire✭✭✭BroughBreaux wrote: »Bow gank is in a tough spot currently. We need a new Arena with new weapons because all the arena bows suck,
I beg to differ I can gank with all except maelstrom obviously lol. But if you wanna get up and dirty… vate bow, I hit someone for an 18k snipe the other day0 -
ksbrugh✭✭✭✭BroughBreaux wrote: »Bow gank is in a tough spot currently. We need a new Arena with new weapons because all the arena bows suck, and balorgh, which is the go-to gank set, sucks because the bow ultimate is worse than simply not using an ultimate.
That said, Caluurion's Legacy + Stygian + monster set of choice is the best setup you can do right now.
Meta gank build is 2h right now and I hate the playstyle. Balorgh + Incapacitating strike does a bit of damage, as does balorgh + soul harvest on mageblade, but you have to get too close for comfort.
I'm in agreeance with you on that too close for comfort, that's the whole idea of using a bow is to be able to be further away from the action because you are in medium armor with as little health as possible. I don't remember exactly but I think it was they decreased snipe damage by 30% now they're decreasing my crit by even more than 30%. My poison injection is going to sound like a open balloon being let go as it farts across the field and lands softly on the enemy's shoulder. All those gold mats
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Shepoffire✭✭✭BroughBreaux wrote: »Bow gank is in a tough spot currently. We need a new Arena with new weapons because all the arena bows suck, and balorgh, which is the go-to gank set, sucks because the bow ultimate is worse than simply not using an ultimate.
That said, Caluurion's Legacy + Stygian + monster set of choice is the best setup you can do right now.
Meta gank build is 2h right now and I hate the playstyle. Balorgh + Incapacitating strike does a bit of damage, as does balorgh + soul harvest on mageblade, but you have to get too close for comfort.
I'm in agreeance with you on that too close for comfort, that's the whole idea of using a bow is to be able to be further away from the action because you are in medium armor with as little health as possible. I don't remember exactly but I think it was they decreased snipe damage by 30% now they're decreasing my crit by even more than 30%. My poison injection is going to sound like a open balloon being let go as it farts across the field and lands softly on the enemy's shoulder. All those gold mats
I’m working on a ranged bow build. I’m assuming you’re on pc. But I could share the details with ya on discord or something
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Vylaera✭✭✭✭✭
✭Also keep in mind the crit damage cap is a softcap, not a hardcap. You can only deal 125% crit damage. If you want to maximize your crit damage, you should still go as high as you can, regardless of the cap, because people have crit resistance, and if you're higher than the cap, you can still do all 125% if you go higher than 125. Stopping at 125 means you'll really only be doing about 100 because the people you really need to maximize your damage against will be running crit resist CP and impentrable traits.
However, it's difficult now more than ever to source crit chance, so idk if it's wise to still stack crit. I haven't had the luxury to test it out yet because transmutes are hard to come by.Vy • lae • ra | Fan of all things Vampiric | PC NA | Accurate World Map artist | Immaculate Reshade author0 -
ksbrugh✭✭✭✭Shepoffire wrote: »BroughBreaux wrote: »Bow gank is in a tough spot currently. We need a new Arena with new weapons because all the arena bows suck, and balorgh, which is the go-to gank set, sucks because the bow ultimate is worse than simply not using an ultimate.
That said, Caluurion's Legacy + Stygian + monster set of choice is the best setup you can do right now.
Meta gank build is 2h right now and I hate the playstyle. Balorgh + Incapacitating strike does a bit of damage, as does balorgh + soul harvest on mageblade, but you have to get too close for comfort.
I'm in agreeance with you on that too close for comfort, that's the whole idea of using a bow is to be able to be further away from the action because you are in medium armor with as little health as possible. I don't remember exactly but I think it was they decreased snipe damage by 30% now they're decreasing my crit by even more than 30%. My poison injection is going to sound like a open balloon being let go as it farts across the field and lands softly on the enemy's shoulder. All those gold mats
I’m working on a ranged bow build. I’m assuming you’re on pc. But I could share the details with ya on discord or something
No on Xbox. I wish I had a good PC but mine got water damage and went PUFF PUFF SMOKE. But I do appreciate the thought thanks0 -
ksbrugh✭✭✭✭Shepoffire wrote: »Ah dang I’m on PlayStation
Maybe cross-play one day, will happen. Holding breath (passing out) lolEdited by ksbrugh on November 6, 2021 5:17PM0 -
skyhawk002✭✭✭I am looking for a gank build for my stamblade in No CP campaigns and coming up empty handied myself.0 -
ksbrugh✭✭✭✭Shepoffire wrote: »I’m not ever at crit cap. I’m a console player. Been running the same gank since markarth with a few tweaks here and there
What is your set up if you don't mind. And what's your average hit with snipe or lethal injection when it crits0 -
DestroyerPewnack✭✭✭✭✭If you're above crit cap, some people have already suggested using Malacath. 15% more damage for free.1
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ksbrugh✭✭✭✭DestroyerPewnack wrote: »If you're above crit cap, some people have already suggested using Malacath. 15% more damage for free.
Thanks good idea I will test it today0 -
Shepoffire✭✭✭
Right now I’m using swamp raider and Stygian with vate bow. This is an old set up but it’s practically the same but the current one hits harderShepoffire wrote: »I’m not ever at crit cap. I’m a console player. Been running the same gank since markarth with a few tweaks here and there
What is your set up if you don't mind. And what's your average hit with snipe or lethal injection when it crits
https://youtu.be/uMwaGa-mPWE
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ZiggyTStardust✭✭✭Since every player has a base crit resist of 1320 (which is 20%) the actual crit cap in pvp can be considered to be 145%, and it will get higher if you are playing against people in Impenetrable, with crit resist cp or with Transmutation on supports.
So you don't need to drop all crit damage boosts0 -
Shepoffire✭✭✭
Problem is that the value won’t go over 125% regardless. Better to focus on raw damage and penZiggyTStardust wrote: »Since every player has a base crit resist of 1320 (which is 20%) the actual crit cap in pvp can be considered to be 145%, and it will get higher if you are playing against people in Impenetrable, with crit resist cp or with Transmutation on supports.
So you don't need to drop all crit damage boosts
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Indigogo✭✭✭✭✭Watching with interest!
I shelved my sniper a while ago. It was just too fragile with not enough damage for my liking, no matter what I tried, to make it worth running after the snipe nerf.
With the lag, I don't remember the last time I could get off some smooth fires - it just hangs in mid pull animation.
Single target, long range magblade absolutely far superior... but incoming mech acc nerf. Edited by Indigogo on November 7, 2021 7:35PM0 -
Shepoffire✭✭✭Watching with interest!
I shelved my sniper a while ago. It was just too fragile with not enough damage for my liking, no matter what I tried, to make it worth running after the snipe nerf.
With the lag, I don't remember the last time I could get off some smooth fires - it just hangs in mid pull animation.
Single target, long range magblade absolutely far superior... but incoming mech acc nerf.
I was getting so tired of swing that proc everywhere lol. Mech acuity is a crutch0 -
Syrpynt✭✭✭Shepoffire wrote: »
Problem is that the value won’t go over 125% regardless. Better to focus on raw damage and penZiggyTStardust wrote: »Since every player has a base crit resist of 1320 (which is 20%) the actual crit cap in pvp can be considered to be 145%, and it will get higher if you are playing against people in Impenetrable, with crit resist cp or with Transmutation on supports.
So you don't need to drop all crit damage boostsBroughBreaux wrote: »Also keep in mind the crit damage cap is a softcap, not a hardcap. You can only deal 125% crit damage. If you want to maximize your crit damage, you should still go as high as you can, regardless of the cap, because people have crit resistance, and if you're higher than the cap, you can still do all 125% if you go higher than 125. Stopping at 125 means you'll really only be doing about 100 because the people you really need to maximize your damage against will be running crit resist CP and impentrable traits.
However, it's difficult now more than ever to source crit chance, so idk if it's wise to still stack crit. I haven't had the luxury to test it out yet because transmutes are hard to come by.
Wait so is it a hard or soft cap? If it's hard cap, crit bonus will begin a 125% but only decrease from there with enemy resists. On a soft cap, the cap is applied after all mitigations.Edited by Syrpynt on November 7, 2021 11:25PM0 -
ksbrugh✭✭✭✭ZiggyTStardust wrote: »Since every player has a base crit resist of 1320 (which is 20%) the actual crit cap in pvp can be considered to be 145%, and it will get higher if you are playing against people in Impenetrable, with crit resist cp or with Transmutation on supports.
So you don't need to drop all crit damage boosts
I could be wrong but I do not believe crit resist works the same way as armor resistance. Anyway with a 30% snipe reduction from a few updates ago and now for me a 40% plus reduction in crit damage. ZOS has killed a whole GameStop play for probably half its player base because you know everybody's got a snipe in the closet lol0 -
moleculardrugs✭✭✭✭I was just wondering because I like to run a bowgank in PvP and ever since they nerfed the heck out of snipe I have had to totally build into crit damage and now my crit will by far exceed $125%. I'm assuming that I will have to go with cheesy proc sets from now on maybe that's what ZOS wants. I'm not sure. Anyways let me know what you think about crit damage for bowgank in PVP I'm on Xbox and my update has not hit yet and I would like to prepare on collecting gear to keep my bow viable. But at this point I don't think it ever will be again there goes three of my characters with gold everything
How did you get your crit that high? Even with Thief, Mudusa, and Mother's Sorrow, I think my sorc can only get to 70-75% crit.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Caluurion and Doylemish can be really deadly when used correctly... in general you're more or less forced to use proc sets.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0 -
ksbrugh✭✭✭✭moleculardrugs wrote: »I was just wondering because I like to run a bowgank in PvP and ever since they nerfed the heck out of snipe I have had to totally build into crit damage and now my crit will by far exceed $125%. I'm assuming that I will have to go with cheesy proc sets from now on maybe that's what ZOS wants. I'm not sure. Anyways let me know what you think about crit damage for bowgank in PVP I'm on Xbox and my update has not hit yet and I would like to prepare on collecting gear to keep my bow viable. But at this point I don't think it ever will be again there goes three of my characters with gold everything
How did you get your crit that high? Even with Thief, Mudusa, and Mother's Sorrow, I think my sorc can only get to 70-75% crit.
Mother sorrows only affects crit chance not crit damage. Archer's mind set gives 8 + 16 critical damage coming out of sneak being a khajiit gives 12% all medium armor, CP points, buffs like minor Force if in a group Major Force if you or your group member use warhorn. My understanding is you start off with 50% even though the damage number says 0%, so anything added after that is above 50%.0
