Probably because people who have already done the quests wouldn't like being locked out of rewards

lillybit wrote: »

Probably because people who have already done the quests wouldn't like being locked out of rewards

No locking out - you could still get rewards the other ways - but it's common practice to go through a story on more than one character, and this would be a good time to do it again on other characters with some extra incentives - don't tell me I'm the only one who goes through stories multiple times on different characters

LannStone wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Players that have done the main story to completion would be locked out of that particular endeavor and none of the other ones lock you out by just completing parts of the game.

My main point is that I don't see why there's no incentive to go through the zone stories again. That seems to be as valid a way to get the coffers as just going out and killing things over and over again, and a rerun story is not bad if you haven't done it in a while.
I suppose you're talking about players with only one character who have completed the story being locked out. I didn't consider that, since for me multiple characters is the norm. In any event, if you only have one character, it would be easy enough to start a new one to go through the story again if the rewards for doing so were enough to make it worth it.
The rewards for the story phases could be the same as the coffers for other endeavors, or they could be a little different since the story phases take more time than just running through a delve or joining a group to kill a world boss. It just seems to me that there's something fundamentally amiss with having these events and completely ignoring the zone's story. But obviously if nobody were interested in going that route, there would be no point in adding the option

You're talking about the event coffers. I was confused before. It might be fine to allow any quest bosses to also drop coffers at the same rate that other bosses do. It wouldn't really break anything. You'll also have the opportunity to loot nodes and chests while questing which can drop coffers. It's not like the coffers won't be encountered at all while questing, they just aren't the main focus. They could have them drop from quest rewards as well, but that might be mechanically more difficult than adding them to daily quests.

The focus in on the dailies for tickets and boxes and a chance for boxes from many other activities. There is a bit less incentive to quest if your goal is event boxes, but I find it's a nice change to nudge players toward specific activities at times. It creates more action based around those activities and can often make the world feel a bit more active for a time.

Wouldn't the skill points that come with some main quests count as a reward? Plus the titles and occasional costumes you get for completing expansion zone story lines?

OK, the players have spoken

Perhaps if they added a new short story line for an existing zone only available during the event.

Mandragora wrote: »

I agree that it would be fair to add story aswell for those, who prefer that and they don't want to be locked out aswell or forced to certain gameplay, the same is true for progression of companions.
I don't understand why it is a problem. It doesn't matter for an event, but for the companion system it is very painful. And to me it seems like it was caused by the same reason, but I still cannot see the logic behind it - so someone completed a story, so other should be left out from that option?

Flip it around, and you'll see that if you add rewards to the old stories, then the players who already did them are locked out of that option unless they redo them.

ZOS has done this before with the Level-Up rewards. The system was obviously designed for new players, but included exclusive rewards that were desirable for many Vet players. Those did not apply retroactively, so Vet players had to level up a new character to get the exclusive rewards.

Now, leveling up a new character isn't so bad. But if we're talking repeating a whole bunch of story content that we've already done to get new, exclusive rewards that aren't handed out retroactively? That's a system designed for new players who haven't done much, with Veteran players either locked out or made to repeat stuff they've already done.

So imagine that we're leveling Mirri. As a new player, someone who wants to level her rapport doing new quests, they'd have the whole of Tamriel open to them as well as Fighters/Ashlander dailies. Me, as a Vet Player, pretty much have have Blackwood and the two dailies. I can't repeat old stories on the same character. Even for players who haven't done all the content on the same character, they'll be limited in what zones they've already done or limited in terms of not grinding through the same stories they've already done on other characters. And so that would very much be a system that's designed for new players, not Vet players.


Now, that being said, I'd love for zone story quests to give some rapport for Companions. It's ridiculous that I can be saving the world in Blackwood and Mirri doesn't care, but close three dolmens every day for a week and she's all over me.

It would have been easy to balance for new and Vet players - only give the rapport bonuses for Blackwood zone story quests, since you must own the expansion to get the companions. Though even that is problematic for the people who want high rapport with both companions, but can't repeat the quests or don't want to on a different character.

Though to be honest, I'd be happier from a roleplaying perspective if all zone story quests offered some rapport. But...I feel obligated to point out that would favor new characters over Vet characters, and if ZOS adds more Companions, you'd find your options a little more limited since you can't repeat quests on the same character, or as a player as you eventually find yourself repeating content you've already done.

The current system of doing dailies for rapport is also a bunch of mind-numbing repeatable content, but at least it has the benefit of being equally mindnunbingly grindy for everyone. I'm pretty sure that's why ZOS went with that design.

It's not just grumpy old players who might have an issue with this idea. Newer players or people who like to take their time going through zones in the order of their choosing might not appreciate being goosed into questing in places they're not ready for yet.

With that said, I wouldn't be surprised if some people go to a new zone for event swag and decide to stick around and quest because they like the ambience or whatnot. So maybe that's enough of an incentive to just get people into the zone, and the ones who like it well enough will stay.