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Instant Dying in Pvp?
Quelindor
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Hello,
I am playing this game time to time since release. Main reason that i can't stick to the game for long period, it's the pvp. Whenever i enter to the battlegrounds or cyrodill, i just instantly dying.
Well i know this is 3432432. topic about the same situation, but i couldn't answer for my problems.
Firstly, i am playing Stamina Sorcerer. I have 5 Venomous, 5 New Moon, 2 Selene Armor pieces. Playing DW+Bow. 526 cp but always playing pvp without cp. I am playing this since the release and really love the concept of the class.
My stats like this;
https://imgur.com/a/870c6vV
I've played too many mmorpg games. Never insta killed in any other game. I've played GW2 recently for the first time. And even in level 10, when i enter to battleground for the first time i could do something, and lived for minutes. In eso, when i saw enemy it's only 5 sec to die for me. I've played this game really long time and never finished bg with decent players without instantly dying.
I know i have low resistance, yet when i try to increase my resistance, my crit or my weapon damage decrease. Even that crit and weapon damage, most of the time i can't do decent damage. However, sometimes i can finish the bg first in kill count, but i know that the only reason enemies were like me.
Every bg is the same, i see one dragonknight charging to me and then i die. If i roll dodge the first charge the second one kills me. Or some mage sending 2-3 fireballs to me and i just die.
I saw builds on youtube that people have 7k weapon damage %20++ crit and also 25k resistance. How can be that possible? I can't understand how can people balance their stats, and increase their resistance to 25k without decrease their damage. I just want to fight with people longer time so i can try to focus on mechanics, or tactics or something like that.
I need somekind of guidance, what should i do? Where to start?
Sorry for my English.
I am playing this game time to time since release. Main reason that i can't stick to the game for long period, it's the pvp. Whenever i enter to the battlegrounds or cyrodill, i just instantly dying.
Well i know this is 3432432. topic about the same situation, but i couldn't answer for my problems.
Firstly, i am playing Stamina Sorcerer. I have 5 Venomous, 5 New Moon, 2 Selene Armor pieces. Playing DW+Bow. 526 cp but always playing pvp without cp. I am playing this since the release and really love the concept of the class.
My stats like this;
https://imgur.com/a/870c6vV
I've played too many mmorpg games. Never insta killed in any other game. I've played GW2 recently for the first time. And even in level 10, when i enter to battleground for the first time i could do something, and lived for minutes. In eso, when i saw enemy it's only 5 sec to die for me. I've played this game really long time and never finished bg with decent players without instantly dying.
I know i have low resistance, yet when i try to increase my resistance, my crit or my weapon damage decrease. Even that crit and weapon damage, most of the time i can't do decent damage. However, sometimes i can finish the bg first in kill count, but i know that the only reason enemies were like me.
Every bg is the same, i see one dragonknight charging to me and then i die. If i roll dodge the first charge the second one kills me. Or some mage sending 2-3 fireballs to me and i just die.
I saw builds on youtube that people have 7k weapon damage %20++ crit and also 25k resistance. How can be that possible? I can't understand how can people balance their stats, and increase their resistance to 25k without decrease their damage. I just want to fight with people longer time so i can try to focus on mechanics, or tactics or something like that.
I need somekind of guidance, what should i do? Where to start?
Sorry for my English.
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Quelindor✭✭UntilValhalla13 wrote: »Are you using food? Your health is critically low for PvP.
Yes i am using food, with food my health around 25k.0 -
Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Anything below 20k resistances will be over penned against, below 25k HP is glass cannon and destined for an early grave, and while at 25k-30k HP you have to get really good at dodge rolling, blocking, and keeping your heals and armor buffs up. PvP is all about burst and everyone is trying to kill you as fast and as quickly as they possibly can. Without meeting the minimum criteria instant death is assured.
Your penetration is also pretty low and none of your sets are defensive focused (typically go with one or go heavy armor) meaning your going to not be dealing a lot of damage, and you'll need to be dodge rolling and blocking... a lot! Like... a lot a lot.
Sometimes its better to just bite the bullet and decrease your damage stats in order to survive, but not too much because your heals scale off your offensive stats. Are you using Vigor by chance as a stamSorc? What weapons are you using as well? (edit nvm missed the part) Typically dual wield isn't used in PvP as Two Handed is far superior at dispatching enemy players, and one of it's abilities, Rally, is a decent heal for staying in the fight. 2 Handed also has the much loved, and hated, ability, Executioner. This will allow you to quickly dispatch enemy players when their HP falls below 50%.Edited by Vevvev on October 5, 2021 12:08AMPC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK2 -
propertyOfUndefined✭✭✭✭✭Some people really excel with pure damage setups. They primarily use line of sight and hit-and-run tactics to secure a kill, then quickly get away. Other people (myself included) lack the aptitude for that sort of gameplay. We make sure to use a defensive set and invest in enough health and resistances to stay alive. Note that even with a defensive set, line of sight is still your best friend. Even in my most survivable setup, I silently recite “you are squishy” to myself over and over again. Overconfidence and overcommitting is what gets me killed 9 out of 10 times.
Hope this helps…
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neferpitou73✭✭✭✭✭
✭Health is way too low I run 30k for setups with a group supporting them. Depending on your skill level you might be able to go with lower but I prefer a hefty cushion. Resists should be above 20k at least. Weapon and spell damage seems pretty low.
For the record here is a type of build I'd typically run in my group comps. Although it's probably not quite what you're looking for since it has all the standard group buffs. This was also from a few patches ago but I'd still be decently comfortable running it:
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=3540142 -
LittlePinkDot✭✭✭✭✭Hello,
I am playing this game time to time since release. Main reason that i can't stick to the game for long period, it's the pvp. Whenever i enter to the battlegrounds or cyrodill, i just instantly dying.
Well i know this is 3432432. topic about the same situation, but i couldn't answer for my problems.
Firstly, i am playing Stamina Sorcerer. I have 5 Venomous, 5 New Moon, 2 Selene Armor pieces. Playing DW+Bow. 526 cp but always playing pvp without cp. I am playing this since the release and really love the concept of the class.
My stats like this;
https://imgur.com/a/870c6vV
I've played too many mmorpg games. Never insta killed in any other game. I've played GW2 recently for the first time. And even in level 10, when i enter to battleground for the first time i could do something, and lived for minutes. In eso, when i saw enemy it's only 5 sec to die for me. I've played this game really long time and never finished bg with decent players without instantly dying.
I know i have low resistance, yet when i try to increase my resistance, my crit or my weapon damage decrease. Even that crit and weapon damage, most of the time i can't do decent damage. However, sometimes i can finish the bg first in kill count, but i know that the only reason enemies were like me.
Every bg is the same, i see one dragonknight charging to me and then i die. If i roll dodge the first charge the second one kills me. Or some mage sending 2-3 fireballs to me and i just die.
I saw builds on youtube that people have 7k weapon damage %20++ crit and also 25k resistance. How can be that possible? I can't understand how can people balance their stats, and increase their resistance to 25k without decrease their damage. I just want to fight with people longer time so i can try to focus on mechanics, or tactics or something like that.
I need somekind of guidance, what should i do? Where to start?
Sorry for my English.
Yeah PvP is hard. I use stealth to stay alive. Obviously cloak if I'm a NightBlade. But on another class, like my Kahjit stam necro, she's got a really good sneak radius because of CP stacked with her racial passive.
And I use that with a healing invisibility potion that I use when I need to get away. then go into sneak before it wears off.
Instead of traveling close within a group, I stay in sneak on the periphery and pick off enemies that attack the group, or get separated from their own group.
You always have an advantage if you can see the enemy first before they see can you.Edited by LittlePinkDot on October 5, 2021 2:42AM1 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭When YouTubers advertise build stats they generally present the "best case" framing of those stats (e.g. when all buffs are up, all sets activated, etc.). Most of the time that is not actually indicative of your general "running around" stats, though, and YouTubers are not exactly the most honest bunch when it comes to advertising (click-bait is how they get you to watch their videos, after all).
My best advice to you is simply this: dying is a part of PvP. If you can't get used to dying then PvP is not for you. The best players get killed, the worst players get killed, everyone gets killed - and it almost always happens quickly. Dying is good - assuming that you learn something from it.
In your case, the build that you are using is slanted too heavily toward damage and not enough toward basic survival. Experienced players can get away with that but not someone who is new to PvP. Aim for 28-32k HP, at least 2k Stamina recovery, and as much armor rating as you can stack on top of that. That will help keep you alive and prevent you from running out of resources, which will in turn allow you to have longer fights and hopefully learn more from your deaths.
Also - join a PvP guild. Everyone was a beginner at one point and most players enjoy helping others out.7 -
neferpitou73✭✭✭✭✭
✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »When YouTubers advertise build stats they generally present the "best case" framing of those stats (e.g. when all buffs are up, all sets activated, etc.). Most of the time that is not actually indicative of your general "running around" stats, though, and YouTubers are not exactly the most honest bunch when it comes to advertising (click-bait is how they get you to watch their videos, after all).
My best advice to you is simply this: dying is a part of PvP. If you can't get used to dying then PvP is not for you. The best players get killed, the worst players get killed, everyone gets killed - and it almost always happens quickly. Dying is good - assuming that you learn something from it.
In your case, the build that you are using is slanted too heavily toward damage and not enough toward basic survival. Experienced players can get away with that but not someone who is new to PvP. Aim for 28-32k HP, at least 2k Stamina recovery, and as much armor rating as you can stack on top of that. That will help keep you alive and prevent you from running out of resources, which will in turn allow you to have longer fights and hopefully learn more from your deaths.
Also - join a PvP guild. Everyone was a beginner at one point and most players enjoy helping others out.
Do you happen to know of any good PVP guilds to join?
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭18k health ? I Guess that might be your problem.
That is super low for pvp. Far too low. Even 25K is low nowadays. People see you, they see your health bar and they prioritize you as a target. Anything lower than 30K basically is a guaranteed focus. I would even argue that 30K health is low in current PvP. It is slowly moving towards 35k or 40K health. No joke, PvP is basically a sustain & tankyness race. Damage is not that important. It is basically a game to: "CC someone when they are low on stamina". In this scenario, even tank will melt.
Low health specs are working (only sometimes) when you are resource bombing in Cyro, when you "yolo" & don't care if you survive or not. Even NB gankers seem to have more health nowadays.4 -
Kwoung✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not a battleground player, but in Cyro 30K+ health is the starting point, high resists, and at least 2k crit resist, or everyone and their sister is going to kill you near instantly. After that you can start looking at your weapon damage. Yes, you "can" get away with lower or different stats, if you have a particular build and are very good, but I wrote the everyman basics that apply to most people.
When a decent portion of the PVP playerbase can pull off 30K+ bursts, you need to be able to mitigate it as much as possible and live through it, not drop dead halfway through their rotation.
Edited by Kwoung on October 5, 2021 8:37AM1 -
moo_2021✭✭✭✭✭You need at least one defensive set, don't have to be heavy.
I run 23k with undeath, gaze and pariah on weapon and jewelry, 6 light all impen, resist maxed out and 17k pen from stuhn. My templar burst is very weak but if you can't break free after stun you'd be dead with your build on first strike, no execution needed. And there are many players much better than this esp in Cyrodiil. Bg is actually the easiest.
Lag happens all the time especially when you're close to enemies or fighting on ground effects, unless you play ranged imo better to just stack defense and healing, and front bar one healing in case bar swapping fails (like all the time). Skills can't help you if server is not responding.1 -
Katheriah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you're new to PvP I would always advice going a bit more defensive than optimal. Get a lot more health, smack on at least 1 defensive set like Pariah and start with just surviving. I would advice to try to find a guild that can help a bit with buils, but not one that just collects 60 people to run over 10 people.
On what server are you playing?2 -
wazzz56✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »18k health ? I Guess that might be your problem.
That is super low for pvp. Far too low. Even 25K is low nowadays. People see you, they see your health bar and they prioritize you as a target. Anything lower than 30K basically is a guaranteed focus. I would even argue that 30K health is low in current PvP. It is slowly moving towards 35k or 40K health. No joke, PvP is basically a sustain & tankyness race. Damage is not that important. It is basically a game to: "CC someone when they are low on stamina". In this scenario, even tank will melt.
Low health specs are working (only sometimes) when you are resource bombing in Cyro, when you "yolo" & don't care if you survive or not. Even NB gankers seem to have more health nowadays.
@Tommy_The_Gun you on PSNA ?ran into similar name in cyro last night......also, I hate the fact that people feel the need for high hp in pvp...IMHO hp should cap at 30k in cyroEdited by wazzz56 on October 5, 2021 2:09PMGM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
"After a hard week of farming, or a long night of being nagged by your wife, there is nothing better than going out for a bit of a fish."3 -
PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭"Play your way" doesn't apply to PVP.
If you're not following the meta and not using your skills (and god forbid you have any lag) then you will die, quickly.
Its like the opposite of PVE. The cruelty is the point.
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etchedpixels✭✭✭✭✭
✭Play no-cp no-proc set At least to begin with. You'll then not be insta-killed by 500 dark convergences or other things you haven't yet learned to respond to. You'll still die (a lot) but you'll actually have a chance to learn what works in the process.
Also don't forget - if you die once for everyone you kill you are getting somewhere - initially you can expect to do far worse and it's not that you suck it's that you are up against something far more challenging and dynamic than beating a stationary idiot dragon to death in Sunspire where it never attacks you, never hits you unless you stand in the wrong spot and all you have to do is repeatedly cycle some buttons.
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moo_2021✭✭✭✭✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »"Play your way" doesn't apply to PVP.
In BG you can especially in coordinated groups, as you're rarely alone and know roughly where and when fight would happen. It's not absolutely necessary to build up defense except for the particular stamina melee kind that he chose.
I don't think the bar is that high - it just needs to be able to solo DLC world bosses without the ring of pale order, or at least survive without tank and healer. Also recovery can be lowered to 2k for other stats.
EDIT: just realized it's exactly the kind of fights bad for stamina melee dd, same rule applies
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Folkb✭✭✭✭✭This is o e of the reasons people left eso pvp for new world. The game stats are just wonky for pvp.Edited by Folkb on October 5, 2021 8:06PM2
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Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Your build is really bad tbh and you need start from scratch....
Make a good build that can take damage, as well as, burst peeps down fast. If you cannot solo or small scale, than make a group support build.
The best way to learn PvP beyond playing, is to be a social butterfly!!
Talk to and play with the good player. Also make friends. You will learn from your mentors very quickly and enjoy watching Zergs cry....
Edited by Girl_Number8 on October 5, 2021 8:14PM4 -
gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭neferpitou73 wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »When YouTubers advertise build stats they generally present the "best case" framing of those stats (e.g. when all buffs are up, all sets activated, etc.). Most of the time that is not actually indicative of your general "running around" stats, though, and YouTubers are not exactly the most honest bunch when it comes to advertising (click-bait is how they get you to watch their videos, after all).
My best advice to you is simply this: dying is a part of PvP. If you can't get used to dying then PvP is not for you. The best players get killed, the worst players get killed, everyone gets killed - and it almost always happens quickly. Dying is good - assuming that you learn something from it.
In your case, the build that you are using is slanted too heavily toward damage and not enough toward basic survival. Experienced players can get away with that but not someone who is new to PvP. Aim for 28-32k HP, at least 2k Stamina recovery, and as much armor rating as you can stack on top of that. That will help keep you alive and prevent you from running out of resources, which will in turn allow you to have longer fights and hopefully learn more from your deaths.
Also - join a PvP guild. Everyone was a beginner at one point and most players enjoy helping others out.
Do you happen to know of any good PVP guilds to join?
Seriously tho joining a guild is the best thing you can do to improve at PVP
If you are on pc na mail me in game @gariondaveyPC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden2 -
neferpitou73✭✭✭✭✭
✭gariondavey wrote: »neferpitou73 wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »When YouTubers advertise build stats they generally present the "best case" framing of those stats (e.g. when all buffs are up, all sets activated, etc.). Most of the time that is not actually indicative of your general "running around" stats, though, and YouTubers are not exactly the most honest bunch when it comes to advertising (click-bait is how they get you to watch their videos, after all).
My best advice to you is simply this: dying is a part of PvP. If you can't get used to dying then PvP is not for you. The best players get killed, the worst players get killed, everyone gets killed - and it almost always happens quickly. Dying is good - assuming that you learn something from it.
In your case, the build that you are using is slanted too heavily toward damage and not enough toward basic survival. Experienced players can get away with that but not someone who is new to PvP. Aim for 28-32k HP, at least 2k Stamina recovery, and as much armor rating as you can stack on top of that. That will help keep you alive and prevent you from running out of resources, which will in turn allow you to have longer fights and hopefully learn more from your deaths.
Also - join a PvP guild. Everyone was a beginner at one point and most players enjoy helping others out.
Do you happen to know of any good PVP guilds to join?
Seriously tho joining a guild is the best thing you can do to improve at PVP
If you are on pc na mail me in game @gariondavey
I was being sarcastic we're in the same guild1 -
gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭neferpitou73 wrote: »gariondavey wrote: »neferpitou73 wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »When YouTubers advertise build stats they generally present the "best case" framing of those stats (e.g. when all buffs are up, all sets activated, etc.). Most of the time that is not actually indicative of your general "running around" stats, though, and YouTubers are not exactly the most honest bunch when it comes to advertising (click-bait is how they get you to watch their videos, after all).
My best advice to you is simply this: dying is a part of PvP. If you can't get used to dying then PvP is not for you. The best players get killed, the worst players get killed, everyone gets killed - and it almost always happens quickly. Dying is good - assuming that you learn something from it.
In your case, the build that you are using is slanted too heavily toward damage and not enough toward basic survival. Experienced players can get away with that but not someone who is new to PvP. Aim for 28-32k HP, at least 2k Stamina recovery, and as much armor rating as you can stack on top of that. That will help keep you alive and prevent you from running out of resources, which will in turn allow you to have longer fights and hopefully learn more from your deaths.
Also - join a PvP guild. Everyone was a beginner at one point and most players enjoy helping others out.
Do you happen to know of any good PVP guilds to join?
Seriously tho joining a guild is the best thing you can do to improve at PVP
If you are on pc na mail me in game @gariondavey
I was being sarcastic we're in the same guild
I realized that after I saw your name, thought it was op I responded to. Lol.PC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden1 -
Quelindor✭✭Thanks all, for suggestions.
I've changed venomous with Pariah.
Increased spell and physical resist to 2k. Health to 28k and stam recovery is 2k. And because of some reason after pariah my weapon damage and spell damage increased to 4k, don't know why.
However it seems i endure much more, yet still i'm dying too easily. Mostly whenever i disengaged the combat some lightning or firebolt chasing me and killing at half health.
Yet, when i get used to the build i may endure much more. Still i don't know if stats are good, it's too complicated for me the stat system of eso. Probably it's also different pvp system in this game and i can't left my old school mmo routines.I understand it is much more faster, but maybe i shouldn't expect even midrange fights like 2-3 mins. Can someone verify that?
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moo_2021✭✭✭✭✭Thanks all, for suggestions.
I've changed venomous with Pariah.
Increased spell and physical resist to 2k. Health to 28k and stam recovery is 2k. And because of some reason after pariah my weapon damage and spell damage increased to 4k, don't know why.
However it seems i endure much more, yet still i'm dying too easily. Mostly whenever i disengaged the combat some lightning or firebolt chasing me and killing at half health.
Ranged attacks are very dangerous in PvP not because they hit harder but they can keep distance and attacking you all the time.
Some noob tips that require zero skill or sets to use:- Do you keep up major&minor resolve and major&minor protection? At least renew all of them before engaging and renew again after you survive an encounter. Even if it means you'd waste resource for overlapped periods.
- You can get passive major protection from Revealing Flare in alliance support line.
- Many good players keep HoT and sometimes more than one HoT (those are the kind who can keep eating your hits). I prefer the one with longest duration, because bar-swapping frequently fails in battle and stucking on either bar could be fatal.
- Do you have a gap closer skill, speed jewelry, potion or enough magicka to spam streak to catch ranged enemies?
- Convert to stage 3 vampire with undeath passive can help a lot. But you'd need put more on resource recovery to keep at least 2k - maybe more for stam class.
- What's the crit resistance? Impen matters a lot unless you meet players wearing the Malacath's Band of Brutality, which is very rare in BG and also uncommon in no-cp cyrodiil (those are hardcore players and you'd die anyway ).
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Quelindor✭✭Thanks all, for suggestions.
I've changed venomous with Pariah.
Increased spell and physical resist to 2k. Health to 28k and stam recovery is 2k. And because of some reason after pariah my weapon damage and spell damage increased to 4k, don't know why.
However it seems i endure much more, yet still i'm dying too easily. Mostly whenever i disengaged the combat some lightning or firebolt chasing me and killing at half health.
Ranged attacks are very dangerous in PvP not because they hit harder but they can keep distance and attacking you all the time.
Some noob tips that require zero skill or sets to use:- Do you keep up major&minor resolve and major&minor protection? At least renew all of them before engaging and renew again after you survive an encounter. Even if it means you'd waste resource for overlapped periods.
- You can get passive major protection from Revealing Flare in alliance support line.
- Many good players keep HoT and sometimes more than one HoT (those are the kind who can keep eating your hits). I prefer the one with longest duration, because bar-swapping frequently fails in battle and stucking on either bar could be fatal.
- Do you have a gap closer skill, speed jewelry, potion or enough magicka to spam streak to catch ranged enemies?
- Convert to stage 3 vampire with undeath passive can help a lot. But you'd need put more on resource recovery to keep at least 2k - maybe more for stam class.
- What's the crit resistance? Impen matters a lot unless you meet players wearing the Malacath's Band of Brutality, which is very rare in BG and also uncommon in no-cp cyrodiil (those are hardcore players and you'd die anyway ).
I am trying to keep up with all buffs. Critical surge, the lightning form thing and blade cloak before engage. Yet i never see the difference with buff and without buff. I think, Impact of skills are not much visible in this game.
Using invis potion for disengage most of the time. So i don't use health potion or something which maybe i should change.
I will try vampire thing.
My crit resist is around 2k. I dont know the decent amount for crit resist.
And for gap closer i have streak and hidden blade. So i never live trouble with chasing an enemy.
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Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭It is good you have changed the build a bit, because unfortunately there is no option anymore to play "fun" pvp on a full damage build. You can only kill absolutely the worst players on a set up like that. Yes, i also think it's a shame. For me personally, a full on dd should be able to kill a full on tank, but no. Not possible in eso anymore. So if you want to continue to play pvp and not die all the time, you need more health and a tankier build.0
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Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
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I am trying to keep up with all buffs. Critical surge, the lightning form thing and blade cloak before engage. Yet i never see the difference with buff and without buff. I think, Impact of skills are not much visible in this game.
Using invis potion for disengage most of the time. So i don't use health potion or something which maybe i should change.
I will try vampire thing.
My crit resist is around 2k. I dont know the decent amount for crit resist.
And for gap closer i have streak and hidden blade. So i never live trouble with chasing an enemy.
Depends on the buffs as Major Resolve grants armor equal to 9% damage reduction, and Major Sorcery/Brutality boosts spell/weapon damage by 20% respectively. In order to get more out of your buffs that are multiplicative instead of additive like Major Resolve you need to build heavier into the stat it's boosting.
One example is infused spell damage glyphs for your jewelry to boost your spell damage, which will in turn make Major Sorcery much more powerful. Same is true for weapon damage glyphs and Major Brutality. Keeping your Lightning Form up is 9% physical and spell resistances, and the reason it might not feel like it's doing much is due to the insane amount of penetration stacking people do these days. I'd still keep it up though since not ever build is stacking 20k+ pen and that Lightning Form's Major Resolve buff is very useful.
You might also wanna get some more armor pieces with the impenetrable trait till you get comfortable dodging enemy attacks. Every 66 critical resistance negates 1% damage boost granted from a critical strike, and the base critical resistance we get is equal to 20%. This means against a foe with 0 critical damage boosts they'll do 30% critical damage to you instead of 50%. Further stacking of crit resistance can alleviate the damage some builds that build super heavily into critical damage put out.
When it comes to potions I personally just stick with tri-pots. They boost my health, stamina, and magicka regeneration (although the health is worthless to me when I run stage 4 vampire) so I like to pop them after a dodge roll or two and a couple of spell casts. If I'm wearing Clever Alchemist the tri-pot is what I use to get the 675 spell and weapon damage out of the set, and I'll combo it with an ultimate or burst.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK1 -
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✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »When YouTubers advertise build stats they generally present the "best case" framing of those stats (e.g. when all buffs are up, all sets activated, etc.). Most of the time that is not actually indicative of your general "running around" stats, though, and YouTubers are not exactly the most honest bunch when it comes to advertising (click-bait is how they get you to watch their videos, after all).
My best advice to you is simply this: dying is a part of PvP. If you can't get used to dying then PvP is not for you. The best players get killed, the worst players get killed, everyone gets killed - and it almost always happens quickly. Dying is good - assuming that you learn something from it.
In your case, the build that you are using is slanted too heavily toward damage and not enough toward basic survival. Experienced players can get away with that but not someone who is new to PvP. Aim for 28-32k HP, at least 2k Stamina recovery, and as much armor rating as you can stack on top of that. That will help keep you alive and prevent you from running out of resources, which will in turn allow you to have longer fights and hopefully learn more from your deaths.
Also - join a PvP guild. Everyone was a beginner at one point and most players enjoy helping others out.
ESO pvp was actually created by Ayra Stark
For the OP: Paying close attention to your death recaps is a huge part of the learning curve and needs to be emphasized far more to new players.
If you are consistently dying to the same type of skills, then that should be a good indicator for what you need to pay attention to for next round. Reading up on some good counters to those skills can help a lot. Line of sight as others have said, can also do a lot of the work for your survival so pay more attention to your positioning and location before diving head first into the fight.1 -
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I am trying to keep up with all buffs. Critical surge, the lightning form thing and blade cloak before engage. Yet i never see the difference with buff and without buff. I think, Impact of skills are not much visible in this game.
Using invis potion for disengage most of the time. So i don't use health potion or something which maybe i should change.
I will try vampire thing.
My crit resist is around 2k. I dont know the decent amount for crit resist.
And for gap closer i have streak and hidden blade. So i never live trouble with chasing an enemy.
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quick question, why lightning form over hurricane?GM Tig Ole Critties ps5 NA small scale PvP guild
"After a hard week of farming, or a long night of being nagged by your wife, there is nothing better than going out for a bit of a fish."0 -
Thecompton73✭✭✭✭✭Thanks all, for suggestions.
I've changed venomous with Pariah.
Increased spell and physical resist to 2k. Health to 28k and stam recovery is 2k. And because of some reason after pariah my weapon damage and spell damage increased to 4k, don't know why.
However it seems i endure much more, yet still i'm dying too easily. Mostly whenever i disengaged the combat some lightning or firebolt chasing me and killing at half health.
Ranged attacks are very dangerous in PvP not because they hit harder but they can keep distance and attacking you all the time.
Some noob tips that require zero skill or sets to use:- Do you keep up major&minor resolve and major&minor protection? At least renew all of them before engaging and renew again after you survive an encounter. Even if it means you'd waste resource for overlapped periods.
- You can get passive major protection from Revealing Flare in alliance support line.
- Many good players keep HoT and sometimes more than one HoT (those are the kind who can keep eating your hits). I prefer the one with longest duration, because bar-swapping frequently fails in battle and stucking on either bar could be fatal.
- Do you have a gap closer skill, speed jewelry, potion or enough magicka to spam streak to catch ranged enemies?
- Convert to stage 3 vampire with undeath passive can help a lot. But you'd need put more on resource recovery to keep at least 2k - maybe more for stam class.
- What's the crit resistance? Impen matters a lot unless you meet players wearing the Malacath's Band of Brutality, which is very rare in BG and also uncommon in no-cp cyrodiil (those are hardcore players and you'd die anyway ).
I am trying to keep up with all buffs. Critical surge, the lightning form thing and blade cloak before engage. Yet i never see the difference with buff and without buff. I think, Impact of skills are not much visible in this game.
Using invis potion for disengage most of the time. So i don't use health potion or something which maybe i should change.
I will try vampire thing.
My crit resist is around 2k. I dont know the decent amount for crit resist.
And for gap closer i have streak and hidden blade. So i never live trouble with chasing an enemy.
I don't have stam sorc but I've played enough PvP against them to know they use speed and positioning quite a bit to stay alive.
There are many sources of speed including jewelry enchants, the steed mundus stone, racial bonuses for Orc or Bosmer, and skills or potions for major/minor expedition (Hurricane for example). Once you have that speed you need to be able to use it effectively to keep yourself out of harms way which will require experience. With experience you'll see how different classes and builds will go about trying to kill you and be able to counter with movement. For example a Templar or Dizzy swing spammer will have trouble hitting you if you continually strafe sideways or dodgeroll/streak through to get behind them when they charge you.
And while some people might look down on getting a build off a website like Alcast or Youtube if you're not totally familiar with how to source different stats to make a balanced build it would be a good idea to google "PvP stam sorc". Most guides will give you info not only for gear sets but also for jewelry/weapon/armor enchantments, mundus stone, CP allocation, food/drink suggestions and skill set up.Edited by Thecompton73 on October 6, 2021 6:17PM1
