Dark Convergence Nerf, I mean tweak...

Red_Feather · August 2021

This is such a wild set and I thought I'd never see such things in ESO, but it needs to be adjusted to make it less busted.

I honestly think the skill will retain being fun to use and have engaging counterplay with its mechanics being the following steps.

Ground cast pulls targets into it.
Targets that are pulled are snared.
Snared targets get a debuff that counts down 4 seconds.
After 4 seconds the debuff causes damage based on how close to the epicenter they are.

So no stun. The damage is all done through a debuff, which cannot stack, so only one instance of that damage can happen. And the whole thing can be cleansed, or even avoided with immunity to snares, rather than having to dodge or streak or whatever out of it. Plenty of options.

Vevvev · August 2021

No stun?

Perfect!!! Now I can use the Psijic Order stun with this set and get more bang for my buck!!!

Red_Feather · August 2021

Vevvev wrote: »

No stun?

Perfect!!! Now I can use the Psijic Order stun with this set and get more bang for my buck!!!

Has it been changed so that after a pull a player doesn't get immunity to stun?

Vevvev · August 2021

Red_Feather wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

No stun?

Perfect!!! Now I can use the Psijic Order stun with this set and get more bang for my buck!!!

Has it been changed so that after a pull a player doesn't get immunity to stun?

Reason the set can stun the people after the pull is because the pull does not give the targets CC immunity. Only reason I cannot actually take full advantage of the Time Stop + Dark Convergence is because of the fact the set stuns after the pull. Funnily enough the 1 second stun actually balances the set out from some really nasty combos.

Red_Feather · August 2021

Vevvev wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

No stun?

Perfect!!! Now I can use the Psijic Order stun with this set and get more bang for my buck!!!

Has it been changed so that after a pull a player doesn't get immunity to stun?

Reason the set can stun the people after the pull is because the pull does not give the targets CC immunity. Only reason I cannot actually take full advantage of the Time Stop + Dark Convergence is because of the fact the set stuns after the pull. Funnily enough the 1 second stun actually balances the set out from some really nasty combos.

That's really interesting.

So the game could add all kinds of stuff. Like an ability that inscribes an air sigil on the ground, and if you use the skill again it could do an air burst from the caster's hands that pushes a target back and if the target happens to land on the air sigil it could launch them into the air for a long stun. It just needs to be coded in a way to not give CC immunity on the push?

Wow, there is all kinds of things that can be done then. Here I thought the game's combat was so restricted because of the immunity rules.

Vevvev · August 2021

Red_Feather wrote: »

Wow, there is all kinds of things that can be done then. Here I thought the game's combat was so restricted because of the immunity rules.

There was a PTS thread saying that they shouldn't have the pull on this set the way it is. Dark Convergence is the first time we got a pull in this game that didn't apply hard cc immunity directly afterwards, and why it's as weird as it is. They could very easily just make it pull and give cc immunity, but then the set would be a laughable meme at best since the explosion takes so long to actually go off and immobilization can be dodged out of.

Red_Feather · August 2021

Vevvev wrote: »

Red_Feather wrote: »

Wow, there is all kinds of things that can be done then. Here I thought the game's combat was so restricted because of the immunity rules.

There was a PTS thread saying that they shouldn't have the pull on this set the way it is. Dark Convergence is the first time we got a pull in this game that didn't apply hard cc immunity directly afterwards, and why it's as weird as it is. They could very easily just make it pull and give cc immunity, but then the set would be a laughable meme at best since the explosion takes so long to actually go off and immobilization can be dodged out of.

There is another new and easier to use set. https://eso-sets.com/set/rush-of-agony

stefj68 · September 2021

can you use both timestop with dark convergence and will it works

James-Wayne · September 2021

The only change that is needed for this set is to increase damage based on targets within meaning casting on one target should have little to no damage done, damage ramps up to 12 players beyond 12 players its instant death!

This set is built for zergs or large packs of players, it should not be a one shot kill on solo players.

danno8 · September 2021

James-Wayne wrote: »

The only change that is needed for this set is to increase damage based on targets within meaning casting on one target should have little to no damage done, damage ramps up to 12 players beyond 12 players its instant death!

This set is built for zergs or large packs of players, it should not be a one shot kill on solo players.

I agree with this completely.

The set was designed to make dents in LARGE groups. It should be essentially ineffective on anything less than 3 players within the radius.

I would actually go one step further and make the pull not work unless 3 or more players are in the radius, and the damage scaling only begin at this number as well.

This set is sooooo good. A pull that doesn't cause CC immunity, a snare, a stun and scaling damage all in one set? It's absolutely bonkers and it needs strict downsides for how good it is.

Veinblood1965 · September 2021

What exactly is cc immunity? I've seen it in the CP points but have no idea what it is exactly.

techyeshic · September 2021

The problem is the pull itself, and not because of balance, but because the game does not handle positioning well at all. In lag; it causes people to get stuck in double break free or if they move, they rubber band back to where they had been pulled and eating damage

These sets that do this in mass and allow a stun after a pull should never have seen the light of day. Putting them in PvP to clearly also say they intend them for PVP is at very least proof of a huge disconnect from them not playing pvp in their own game at prime time in a full server. Incompetence is the best case scenario; mal intent is the other end.

Tommy_The_Gun · September 2021

No rework or nerf to any of the new "holly trinity" proc-sets.... in Patch Notes... It is time to move to Ravenwatch I guess...

danno8 · September 2021

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

What exactly is cc immunity? I've seen it in the CP points but have no idea what it is exactly.

@Veinblood1965

CC immunity is a state that is granted after you use the "break-free" effect (hit the "bash" key while stunned to use break-free). The state last for 6 seconds by default.

In the past anything that pulls you towards another player or space automatically gave you CC immunity so that you could not be endlessly ping-pongged back and forth.

Aznox · September 2021

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MEBengalsFan2001 · September 2021

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

No rework or nerf to any of the new "holly trinity" proc-sets.... in Patch Notes... It is time to move to Ravenwatch I guess...

Using this set without trying I was able to wipe out a few groups rather easily without even really trying. Never had so many kills and walked away basically without a scrape. When combined with other sets and abilities this set from my short experience using it, needs to be adjusted.

Looking at the damage from the 5 piece and how it has a pull and a stun makes me wonder if the devs damage formula is off by a single decimal place making the set what it is now a bit over powered. My character was hitting enemy players for over 20K in damage.

I believe adjusting the bonus damage from 10% down to 5% and lowering the base damage by 25% would make the set still usable.

I put this set away as I simply wanted to to test it out and after seeing how strong it is, I moved back to my prefer style of PVP and hoping the devs take a look at the set and adjust it according to any data they can collect on how it is performing.

vms11934 · September 2021

I assume something like Stampede would trigger this too? Just want to confirm before I go ahead and get it (though I have my reservations since I sense the nerf bat headed this set's way soon and who knows what it will be like afterwards).

etchedpixels · September 2021

It's certainly hilarious in PVE
- Magicka det
- Drop a ground AOE to proc dark convergence
- Switch bar, titanic cleave (masters 2H)

Definitely out of whack with everything else.

Kuratius · September 2021

It's a fairly good support set in pve. I think the only things about it that could be tweaked are the damage, the stun, the cooldown, and the cc immunity. Anything else would leave it useless and unable to fulfill its purpose.
The range and the pull should stay as a it is.
I don't know what combination of the other parameters would be considered good though.
I assume removing the damage and/or the stun is probably a good idea. It already has combo potential with time stop and proxy det, it doesn't really need more.