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25 dungeon runs back-to-back, no desired weapon dropped to anyone in the party
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phileunderx2✭✭✭✭✭
✭Me and a buddy ran vet Arx last weekend with two PUGs since it was daily. One of the randoms got Medusa Inferno from the first trash mob. He already had it and offered it to us right away. I told hi we'd sort it out at the end.
My buddy got the staff from last boss which saved some awkwardness. I paid the random 500k for his one, he was very happy- I think he would have must given it away if I hadn't offered to pay.
Good reason to not skip anything. Just saying.0 -
Chrysa1is✭✭✭✭✭
✭Try running the dungeon over 300 times. I was pulling my hair out, and I still haven't got what I want. So i've stopped playing until I can be bothered to go back to being a Dungeon Slave. All you get is rings, necklace, or staffs. RNG isn't real. Loot is percentage based, not random.Edited by Chrysa1is on September 4, 2021 12:11AM0 -
Chrysa1is✭✭✭✭✭
✭spartaxoxo wrote: »
100%.
I wish I kept a log of all dungeon set loot obtained from all my runs. Solo btw. 85% of the loot would consist of rings, necklace and staffs.
Ive vowed that once i find what I want, and if i ever farm a new set, Im logging everything i get just so I have ammunition and a right to complain with my data to back me up LOLEdited by Chrysa1is on September 4, 2021 12:18AM0 -
buttaface✭✭✭✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Thats how random drop work
Technicly even at 99.9%drop chance there is a pssibility for it to not drop for 4 people, 25 time in a row, its small but still possible
Yes, and that's why you should refrain from using pure random in your game - you should have pity timers (if the item didn't drop in N attempts, force-drop the item).
And in case of ESO dungeon runs, they could've split weapon drops and jewelry drops to be on different bosses too. Because even the math here is pretty bad: 12 weapon types * 3 sets = 1/36 to get correct item from the pool, but also jewelries drop half of the time, so 1/(36*2) = 1/(72+unique_drops), or if you have perfect allies that will share the drop all the time, it is 4/72 = 18-19 runs.
And yes, it surely easily spirals out to tripple the amount of runs, and with a great chance of this event to happen. And in fringe cases - hundreds.
I'm sitting at 25+10*2 = 45 runs (doing 10 runs/day now) and it still didn't drop.
There's very little in ESO loot tables or any other MMO loot tables that is "random." They are massaged all to hell to keep players playing and spending. Imagine casinos with no regulators nor casino laws, no consequences of scamming via loot table, and you have MMOs and ESO in a nutshell. Don't buy "helpful" posts that are lamenting "RNG." All concern trolls and "friends of the game."1 -
divnyi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Thats how random drop work
Technicly even at 99.9%drop chance there is a pssibility for it to not drop for 4 people, 25 time in a row, its small but still possible
Yes, and that's why you should refrain from using pure random in your game - you should have pity timers (if the item didn't drop in N attempts, force-drop the item).
And in case of ESO dungeon runs, they could've split weapon drops and jewelry drops to be on different bosses too. Because even the math here is pretty bad: 12 weapon types * 3 sets = 1/36 to get correct item from the pool, but also jewelries drop half of the time, so 1/(36*2) = 1/(72+unique_drops), or if you have perfect allies that will share the drop all the time, it is 4/72 = 18-19 runs.
And yes, it surely easily spirals out to tripple the amount of runs, and with a great chance of this event to happen. And in fringe cases - hundreds.
I'm sitting at 25+10*2 = 45 runs (doing 10 runs/day now) and it still didn't drop.
There's very little in ESO loot tables or any other MMO loot tables that is "random." They are massaged all to hell to keep players playing and spending. Imagine casinos with no regulators nor casino laws, no consequences of scamming via loot table, and you have MMOs and ESO in a nutshell. Don't buy "helpful" posts that are lamenting "RNG." All concern trolls and "friends of the game."
Spending what? There are no dungeon items in crown store. There are no dungeon items anywhere, but the dungeon.
There is no spending if I delete the game because the item I want is just non-obtainable.
You seek conspiracies in things that are explainable with a simple stupidity.0 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Spending your time.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis1 -
RevJJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭I’m at 25 runs of vFL without a single Caluurion destro staff dropping. I don’t even care anymore if it’s fire, ice or bzzt, just not getting any at all.
I got the style page after ten runs but any destro staff still eludes me.0 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, that's RNG for you.
Notice I didn't say, "Well, that's good design for you?" That's because it's not. There's really no excuse for the level of reliance on RNG that ESO employs. None."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle1 -
RevJJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭SimonThesis wrote: »They need to give you slightly better odds for uncollected set gear.
That would be great. I’ve gotten three Caluurion greatswords so far.0
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