SirAndy wrote: »

I did a random pug last night and all 3 of my team mates ended up being below CP100.

I think there were a total of two deaths in all of the dungeon, we took it slow, got all chests and they all got the quest finished and their final reward.

Then i handed over a bunch of gear to those who needed it.

And you know what?
It was an all around much more enjoyable experience than any of the "lets see how fast we can run through this dungeon" crap i usually get from those all CP1000+ pugs.

I couldn't agree more. I'm not againist someone doing a quick run of a dungeon but if someone lags behind to do the quests then I'm going to slow down for that one person. And ya know what? I've enjoyed every single slow run. There's so much less worry and stress. Dungeons are supposed to be fun

As for the topic of filters... I don't think it would be such a good idea. Maybe a pre-built in filter on some content would work. Some of the harder stuff probably needs more of a filter than the easier content. A lot of the fresh new cp peeps certainly wouldn't be ready for the hard stuff. And at the rate some people treat low cp, they could be in for some harsh treatment. From my own experience that can definitely put you off of trying anything new again after being kicked for no reason. But I really don't see a need for filters in general. It isn't a problem with the que, it's a problem with the players. Some people just seem to forget they used to be level 10 cp too.

Daranigan wrote: »

But if I would like to know that if I am queueing into a random instance of, let's say, white gold tower, that I'm gonna be able to have a team that can get through it without wiping every other mob, or taking an hour to down the bosses.

I have highlighted a key phrase in your post that literally screams "working as intended". If you don't want to risk getting lower level CP players in your group, don't queue for a random instance. Simple. As. That. If you do though, and the group you get paired with at random (there's that word again ) are not up to your standards, you can easily leave the group, and the instance.

I agree with those above who find it much nicer to roll through the dungeon with a group and a non hectic pace, grabbing the sacks, chests and enjoying the group content as a group. There are far too many run and skip, leave everyone else behind, too bad so sad players these days. People who want to speed run and skip stuff should form their own group// have a static group you do the dailies with.

I don't recommend such filters, as any filtering simply slows down queue times.

I only run dungeons for fun. I wear solid, appropriate sets (like MS + Julianos on mages / Spriggans + Hundings on stam chars). I don't worry about top level content so I don't need to grind for top level gear.

Generally when I pug it is with a high CP healer on normal dungeons that she can solo. That way, she can relax and focus on what the team needs. And it is very natural for a healer to stay behind the group so she happily goes as slow as the group does without pushing things along.

My main tank does not enjoy pugging. More even than somewhat low dps in pugs is that my tank wants to lead, set the conditions on the battlefield, initiate the fight, gather up the foes then have the dd's unleash their damage. That pretty much never happens in a pug. It is not fun racing along behind rushaheads, wasting precious stamina sprinting (tanks generally regen stam very slowly), trying to salvage messes and unable to do your job. One shining exception was a normal pug with three characters all below level 40. They took a look at my tank's max CP (810 at the time), shield, heavy armor, etc and immediately seemed to figure they should follow instead of try to lead. And they did. They stayed behind me, let me pull and gather, then opened fire. Our pace was reasonable but not rushed. Their dps was not bad because foes were gathered in tight groups, bosses were turned to face away from them, pesky stragglers were pulled into the killing zone, etc. It was one of my tank's most enjoyable runs.

Random = random. If you want to control for skill, do it yourself.

I have never seen a game with a filter to make the queue be more selective in who it matches players with outside of using the ignore list. It would seem the standard MMORPG design for a group match-making system is designed around minimum requirements set for everyone and players can opt to form their own group if they want something different. It would seem beneficial to the entire player base.

I am no CP1000, currently at 700ish and still potato, but i must say this:

1. Lately ALL the random dugs are DLC for me, does not matter if normal or vet. I don't understand how that happens, it is absurd, but this keeps happening for a few weeks now.

2. CP1000 are not always great. I've been in a lot of random dugs where i had to work with fake healers and fake tanks all of them over CP1000 and we've wiped over and over again, so we gave up eventually.

3. Also i can say talent can more than compensate the lack of CP. And i know that for sure after running a lot of dugs with a friend of mine that at lvl 40-ish was 10 times a better tank than most high CP players i've been queued up with and now, at CP300-400 is even better than everyone i have seen in this role before. I am looking at you, Mike (not gonna mention his in game ID here)

I kind of had it with the high CP mentality of people that keep yelling at others in group chat and end up dead almost all the time because they rush and run ahead of the tanks and sit in the enemy AOE like d@#%sses and then keep yelling at others about how bad they are instead of keeping their virtual mouths shut and admitting how 57(_)|*1[) they are.

My two gold pieces.

We do need filter.
I am constantly being removed on my low cp accounts (300-400 CP) lately when I queue as a tank for super easy vet non DLC dungeons as soon as I join the group. I am more than capable to tank these and people just say that I need more CPs, if they respond at all why they kicked me before we even started to do dungeon.

If there was a filter, I could avoid most of these people ( I hope)

I doubt that we will ever see that type of filter. Given that we can do this on our own through guilds, friends, or zone, there virtually no incentive for ZOS to provide a solution that the players already have and are already in control of.

I also highly doubt that they'll separate the DLCs.

If either filter were ever in place, both would have side effects.

CP is bad way to filter player skill anyway. Tonnnnnns of low skill players with high cp out there. And quite a few low CP players hitting harder than them.

If there is gonna be a performance test it should actually test perfomance instead of using an arbitrary cp number. The only cp that should be required for vet is 160, and only so they can share gear.

There is a filter, in the form of creating your own pre-made groups.