How does Engine Guardian stun you? https://eso-sets.com/set/engine-guardian

The sorc pets can stun/immobilize, but most pets don't.
https://eso-sets.com/set/hrothgars-chill

Having tested extensively, not even sets like Sellistrix proc Hrothgar reliably. There is 1 skill that is guaranteed to proc Hrothgar whenever it is off cooldown, and that's frost clench.

Daffen wrote: »

I think he means, his pet or another enemies pet gets stunned which procs hrothgar from a 3nd enemy using the set. Calculations from hrothgar's aoe damage ignores battle spirit atm.

Thats what I meant. Hrothgar is an aoe dmg proc so you, yourself dont have to be stunned. Just something or someone that can be stunned has to be in your general area.

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

How does Engine Guardian stun you? https://eso-sets.com/set/engine-guardian

The sorc pets can stun/immobilize, but most pets don't.
https://eso-sets.com/set/hrothgars-chill

Having tested extensively, not even sets like Sellistrix proc Hrothgar reliably. There is 1 skill that is guaranteed to proc Hrothgar whenever it is off cooldown, and that's frost clench.

Lol wut? you can proc it on cooldown with basically any stun or immobilization. Players have both hard cc immunity and root immunity. And sets procing sets goes against what zos has stated as being their intention so, procing it with Sellistrix is probably not intended and shouldnt work.

LOL WUT? Ha... sigh. Nevermind. No use arguing with people who want to be sensationalist. BTW - no, not all stuns proc Hrothgar. Frozen Gate does not. Gripping shards does not proc reliably. Not even Artic Blast's stun procs RELIABLY. I CAN proc Hrothgar, but not guaranteed. Only skill I've used that does is ice clench. But then, I'm just a warden, I don't have access to any other stuns.

What's wrong with getting hit if your pets get stunned? You want to use pets, they get hit with an AOE it might hit you too. You're getting a body block AND damage or healing etc, having extra risk seems like a fair trade.

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

How does Engine Guardian stun you? https://eso-sets.com/set/engine-guardian

The sorc pets can stun/immobilize, but most pets don't.
https://eso-sets.com/set/hrothgars-chill

Having tested extensively, not even sets like Sellistrix proc Hrothgar reliably. There is 1 skill that is guaranteed to proc Hrothgar whenever it is off cooldown, and that's frost clench.

Lol wut? you can proc it on cooldown with basically any stun or immobilization. Players have both hard cc immunity and root immunity. And sets procing sets goes against what zos has stated as being their intention so, procing it with Sellistrix is probably not intended and shouldnt work.

LOL WUT? Ha... sigh. Nevermind. No use arguing with people who want to be sensationalist. BTW - no, not all stuns proc Hrothgar. Frozen Gate does not. Gripping shards does not proc reliably. Not even Artic Blast's stun procs RELIABLY. I CAN proc Hrothgar, but not guaranteed. Only skill I've used that does is ice clench. But then, I'm just a warden, I don't have access to any other stuns.

What's wrong with getting hit if your pets get stunned? You want to use pets, they get hit with an AOE it might hit you too. You're getting a body block AND damage, having extra risk seems like a fair trade.

Because pets have higher resistances then players. I have no issue if pets can be proc'd off of, but getting hit with obscene numbers because pets are targetable is just bad mechanics.

[snip]. Engine Guardian has been borderline cheating for years, and now it might kill you? Choose your build more carefully.

[edited to remove baiting commnets]

Unknown_Redemption wrote: »

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

Bruh I dont use engine guardian, i have proc'd hrothgar off it. Im literally ganking using Dark Convergence, Hrothgar, and Balorgh on a magblade right now. I don't waste slots on defensive sets.

What spell are you using as a magblade for Dark Convergence?

Wall of elements to proc it.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

HidesInPlainSight wrote: »

Hrothgar is currently procing off pets either enemy pets like engine guardian or your own personal pets and doing obscene damage. Getting hit for 9-10k dmg from Hrothgar while in 20k resistances and other mitigation in a 1v1. When it hits normally im looking at a 2-3k proc on myself unblocked, when they proc it of pets its hitting for 9-10k.

You have 20k resistances, yes? So 40k as a sum of both. 26% of that is 10k unmitigated but also without boni.
Since you are obviously playing in CP PvP (unless this is happening in BGs), add 20% damage on top from CP. Another 16% for Malacath's. 8% for Warden... If my math is correct that's 34k damage before mitigation so if we halve that because of battlespirit and shave a bit more off to account for your mitigation, then 10k actually sounds reasonable, does it not?

Sounds like this is the difference between people slapping Hrothgar on without a second thought and people actually building around maximizing Hrothgar's effectiveness.

That it hits you when it procs on your pets probably shouldn't be a thing, if that is indeed happening, but I think it actually shouldn't be proccing on NPCs/pets in the first place.

40k resistences total, would be roughly 10k damage before any mitigation and battle spirit. It happens in both BGs and CP pvp, with maybe 1k difference in damage. Also most of those CP stars are additive not multiplicative with each other, and have diminishing returns. With most of the hrothgar builds being on stam toons, they are sitting at most 10-15k spell pen if they spec into spell penetration which they don't. Which is why consistently getting hit for 4k at 20k resistences when hrothgar is proc'd on me or on when procing it on others is consistent with how most procs sets work and scale with CP and battlespirit.

After ganking more on my dark convergence, hrothgar, balorgh magblade with 20k base penetration before balorgh, I still hit for 4-8kish on most light and medium armor targets when I proc it on that specific target. Now what I found was if there was a pet or another player in range, i would still hit for that same 4-8k on initial target in light or medium armor but the AOE blast from hrothgar would always be 2x of the value I hit on the targert I proc'd it off, leading me to make the assumption that the AOE blast is not being affected by battlespirit, and is probably why we are seeing some ridiculous numbers on proc's from hrothgar.