danno8 wrote: »

FluffWit wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

price101610 wrote: »

Some people like to do things like PvP and trials, not sitting on resource nodes. To each their own, but that is why we don’t mind the modders, so we get cheap mats without farming ourselves

But some people like to farm and sell mats. Bots make it not worthwhile, thus eliminating or minimizing a playstyle.

Imagine if bots invaded Cyrodiil and using software with optimized algorithms started running around deleting all the actual players. But hey, they were selling all the RotW sets for cheap, so it's cool right?

Or if bots started running vHM trials with you, completely trivializing the content because they are so good at it. Would that still be fun now that it's so easy to get titles and styles?

On behalf of pvpers I ca assure you we don't fight for gold. Or gear. And we damn sure don't fight for those awful loot boxes we get sent every 20 minutes.

We fight for Honor. For loyalty. For an unwritten code that's seldom spoken that PvEers could never understand. For the friends we've made in Cyrodiil who are fighting alongside us. And for the fallen brothers and sisters we've lost these last seven years.

It's ok, we don't expect you to understand. Or to take up arms and fight with us. Just know- as you sleep soundly in your bed in Mournhold or Sentinel or Alinor tonight, that it's the men and women on the front lines in Cyrodiil allowing you to do so.

I PvP too. And PvE. Please refrain from speaking on behalf of me or all PvP players.

Also, what makes you think that PvE players don't RP honor codes just like you do? They fight alongside each other, have guilds that I am sure many consider to be their brothers and sisters, comrades and friends.

I hope you are joking (or just RPing really hard) with that last line.

I think they're just making a parody of a quote from A Few Good Men, the war movie.

I don't think they meant it seriously.

FluffWit wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

price101610 wrote: »

Some people like to do things like PvP and trials, not sitting on resource nodes. To each their own, but that is why we don’t mind the modders, so we get cheap mats without farming ourselves

But some people like to farm and sell mats. Bots make it not worthwhile, thus eliminating or minimizing a playstyle.

Imagine if bots invaded Cyrodiil and using software with optimized algorithms started running around deleting all the actual players. But hey, they were selling all the RotW sets for cheap, so it's cool right?

Or if bots started running vHM trials with you, completely trivializing the content because they are so good at it. Would that still be fun now that it's so easy to get titles and styles?

On behalf of pvpers I ca assure you we don't fight for gold. Or gear. And we damn sure don't fight for those awful loot boxes we get sent every 20 minutes.

We fight for Honor. For loyalty. For an unwritten code that's seldom spoken that PvEers could never understand. For the friends we've made in Cyrodiil who are fighting alongside us. And for the fallen brothers and sisters we've lost these last seven years.

It's ok, we don't expect you to understand. Or to take up arms and fight with us. Just know- as you sleep soundly in your bed in Mournhold or Sentinel or Alinor tonight, that it's the men and women on the front lines in Cyrodiil allowing you to do so.

As a PvPer, I am having difficulty reconciling how you cite honor but are totally cool with "modders" who make it frustrating for those people who do want to collect resource nodes.

Its true. Cant really track them, and all they have to do is wipe it clean and start over.
The difference is, there hasn't been an organized community willing to constantly combat them.
I have tons of fun chasing robots, collecting nodes. Im not just a farmer, im a GM of a Trials/Trading guild, and in an Alliance with 40 other guilds that stand AGAINST BOT FARMING.
We are looking for solutions.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

destroy6574 wrote: »

theCampeR_ wrote: »

StamPlar_1976 wrote: »

I have no problems with bots. They provide a great public service supplying mats at reasonable prices. Some of us are not "swimming in gold".

The "Bots" don't sell mats and collect gold to play the game or buy gear for their adventures. They farm that gold to sell for crowns on their main account or trade them for real money. Which in turn inflates crown:gold prices absurdly (which you can witness now) and as a direct result of that, mats or any other items that you can buy with gold, goes up in prices. So yeah, it's public service for someone who is as clueless as a duck.

You are incorrect about that. There are bots selling in guild stores, there are bots selling in zone. Ive had bots that ive chased around try to trade with me. Theres a bot in north rimmen that stands there for hours, and I watch other bots AND players walk up to it and trade. Crown prices are not over inflated on ps4/5, Na server. The bots are not just selling Gold, for real life money, but mats also.

Can someone explain to me what "bot" means? I thought I knew, but I'm getting the feeling that maybe people are using the term to describe actual players rather than some AI-driven program. Or is AI so good that it can drive a bot which can sell to other players and instigate (not merely respond to) trade requests?

It's as you think; the bots are AI programs. But the bot's "Master" can take over control from the AI in order to trade with real players. That might be what they're referring to here. It's still a bot, even if it's AI is temporarily suspended just to do a trade.

Otherwise, it's got to be a pretty complicated AI if it can trade with people, I would think? Unless there are some set commands that a buying player can use, which is totally possible.

This mega bot is back on RIGHT NOW. Same psns I reported days ago are still in group, and also theyve added 3 or so more bots. So this mega consists of 8 or 10 sorcs, shooting heavy attacks outward in all directions, constantly pulling in wolves. Ps4/5 na, im on the bot RIGHT NOW

Joy_Division wrote: »

FluffWit wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

price101610 wrote: »

Some people like to do things like PvP and trials, not sitting on resource nodes. To each their own, but that is why we don’t mind the modders, so we get cheap mats without farming ourselves

But some people like to farm and sell mats. Bots make it not worthwhile, thus eliminating or minimizing a playstyle.

Imagine if bots invaded Cyrodiil and using software with optimized algorithms started running around deleting all the actual players. But hey, they were selling all the RotW sets for cheap, so it's cool right?

Or if bots started running vHM trials with you, completely trivializing the content because they are so good at it. Would that still be fun now that it's so easy to get titles and styles?

On behalf of pvpers I ca assure you we don't fight for gold. Or gear. And we damn sure don't fight for those awful loot boxes we get sent every 20 minutes.

We fight for Honor. For loyalty. For an unwritten code that's seldom spoken that PvEers could never understand. For the friends we've made in Cyrodiil who are fighting alongside us. And for the fallen brothers and sisters we've lost these last seven years.

It's ok, we don't expect you to understand. Or to take up arms and fight with us. Just know- as you sleep soundly in your bed in Mournhold or Sentinel or Alinor tonight, that it's the men and women on the front lines in Cyrodiil allowing you to do so.

As a PvPer, I am having difficulty reconciling how you cite honor but are totally cool with "modders" who make it frustrating for those people who do want to collect resource nodes.

Logically, this makes sense from any perspective but especially for PvP.

Botting will always be a problem in MMO's as long as there is real life money to be made. I've only ever seen one MMO successfully battle botting in an effective way. They did so by having locked regional servers, blocking all VPN's, quick, easy, and convenient bot reporting tools, and banning botters fast. ESO has or does none of that. All a botter has to do is make a little more real life money than they spent on the account before losing it to a ban to stay in business.

PC NA has a huge problem with botting in almost every aspect of the game, from bots grinding pvp rank in cyrodiil, and battlegrounds, chest bots, gathering bots, you name it. The bots are really easy to spot but reporting them does nothing. All you have to do to test that is go to Alik'r Desert and follow the dolmen grind. The crappy bots run from the wayshrines to the dolmens and back on foot, don't loot the chest, and take the exact path every single time. Report them when you see them and just pop in every now and then to check if they are still there. "Hint" they will be, for days or longer. Same goes for gathering bots in one of the newbie areas like Bal Foyen. They fellow the exact route but will auto log off for 5 minutes if you follow them for to long but log back on and keep going. Reporting them does nothing and they will be there for weeks until they decide to move someone else. Even the poormans node camping bots that do nothing but stand on a single node spawn and loot it. Super easy to spot and report, again nothing happens to them in a timely manner.

The only time I've personally ever seen Zos take action in a timely manner is when there is a large bot pack or train and I've called out guild member to help mass report them, and those still took days to be removed. I've did my part in the past and now Ijdgaf because I know it's just waste of my time.

rpa wrote: »

I do not know much about consoles but I was under impression reporting botters to Sony (whatever department handles paystations) might be more effective. Zos can ban eso account but Snoy can ban the physical console.

I have not yet found anywhere I can report Eso Bots to Sony.

Some people sell so expenive and then cry why they don't sell or why there are bots.

This problem wouldn't exist in the first place if we didn't had this stupid guild store problems and had a unified AH properly ...

At least for every major city.

BXR_Lonestar wrote: »

The problem isn't the bots to be honest. The problem is that those bots you see there offload their bounty onto accounts not associated with the bots, so banning that account just means they need to go make another account for botting purposes. If you want to stop this from happening, you need to ban the person's main account, which I'm guessing is almost impossible to determine.

Perhaps Zos can find a way to internally tag the mats that the bots pick up, so that when they're transferred to a main account for refining or sale purposes, they can ban the person's main account.

We are starting to be able to identify various bot "masters" in game. They come into zone to mark routes, and place their bots.

Paulfood69 wrote: »

KhajiitLivesMatter wrote: »

destroy6574 wrote: »

Ps4/5 Na
There is a New MegaBot in Bleackrock!
@ZOS_GinaBruno
Can you please point us in the right direction to do mass reporting?
I have teams of people identifying bots. At any given time , I have over 100 psns of Current Bots.
I have spreadsheets of Bots selling in Guild Stores, of which guilds are linked together, and actual bot "masters" or programmers selling in these cheating guild stores.
I have encountered 3 bot masters, who are still rumning around today, after being reported several times. 2 of them took me on a tour, spawned and despawned their bots, and sjowed me which ones were there.
Reporting individual bots is useless,,but where and who can we do Mass Bot Reporting to?
There are millions of us playing the game LEGITIMATELY, and we want the Same opportunities these large cheating Botting Guilds have.

(Video of new MegaBot in Bleakerock)

if u ban all bots prices for gold mats will b e even more redicolous so i rather enjoy them not skyrocketing them even more - dont wanna spend 50k / dreugh

so why are u so mad about them they just make this stuff cheaper

This is the opposite bot farmers make things more expensive than they need to be and it's impossible for people to sell their own mats.

The bots actually do make it cheaper. They are able to sell a stack of rubedite ore on ps4 na for 5k, when the going rate for farmers is about 9k. The problem is, it takes about 30 min of farming to get a stack, and not worth selling at 5k, like the bots do. They also set the prices for other crafting mats so low, because they have so much of it, its not worth farming to some people. People say it will kill the market, but I disagree. Im paying mat farmers top prices for unrefined mats, and am making almost 10 times the return, at lowered tiered traders, because botting guilds are taking the main cities.

Cheap mat prices as an excuse is ridiculous, its just laziness