Why make Pve'rs PvP? Event sucks

Slobbergoat · August 2021

Although I've owned this game for years, I have just finally settled in to play it and am loving it, that is until the event. Making me go to a PvP zone where I was one and two shotted about a dozen times last night trying to finish the event quest objectives was less than fun. In fact, it was frustrating and I logged out for the night. I decided to give it one more try this morning, hoping there would be less people, but no luck. Why? Why do that? [snip]? So you do this once a year to feed your PvP'ers? Try to keep them happy? I don't get it. I know there are ways to cheese a few of the quests in IC and thus getting the ticket, but no thanks. I'll just pass on the event entirely. In fact, surprisingly this has soured me on ESO, not sure why, but it makes me want to go play something else.

[Edit for Bashing.]

vesselwiththepestle · August 2021

You don't have to participating in that part of the event, noone is "making you".

Ashryn · August 2021

Go to Wrothgar. You'll only get one ticket, but that's the way it is at times. I only Pvp when I'm in the mood (and it can be fun), but I'm not a huge fan of Imperial City, so I only get one ticket and I'm not going to let it bother me! There WILL be others events soon and you won't have to go to Imperial City.

Arbiter7070 · August 2021

PVP’rs have had to PVE forever to get gear for PVP. We legit have to grind so much PVE in this game it’s unreal when most of us would just rather get our gear/skill lines through PVP methods and not touch PVE. There’s only a couple times a year where ZOS throws PVP players a bone and gives us an event. Keep in mind you don’t have to even do this event. And if you are doing terrible, maybe try building a character for PVP just for this event. PVP players have to build PVE characters for the higher end gear we want. If you want to do this event then build a character for it.

Sarannah · August 2021

I dislike PvP as well, but I still get the ticket. Only takes 5-10 minutes tops in this event(excluding queue time). If you feel that bad about going into a PvP zone, maybe just count the ticket as lost, and play the parts of the game that you do like. Losing out on 1 ticket per day isn't a big issue. Just make sure you get the 2nd part for the mount, and you will be good till the next event. I've done that before.

But yeah, yesterday was the first day of the event. So the IC was crowded like crazy, as the event started halfway through the day. So all bars on all IC campaigns were completely full.

PS: On a fun note, I did see someone of my alliance get ganked by a nightblade. After which I killed the nightblade. So sometimes there is justice.

TequilaFire · August 2021

Think positive, group up and have some fun.

Slobbergoat · August 2021

I appreciate the kind comments and advice

Sarannah · August 2021

Arbiter7070 wrote: »

PVP’rs have had to PVE forever to get gear for PVP. We legit have to grind so much PVE in this game it’s unreal when most of us would just rather get our gear/skill lines through PVP methods and not touch PVE. There’s only a couple times a year where ZOS throws PVP players a bone and gives us an event. Keep in mind you don’t have to even do this event. And if you are doing terrible, maybe try building a character for PVP just for this event. PVP players have to build PVE characters for the higher end gear we want. If you want to do this event then build a character for it.

That is different. PvPers themselves choose to use PvE sets for PvP purposes. There are PvP sets dropping in the IC and Cyrodiil, if PvPers choose PvE sets above those, that is on the PvP players themselves.

Whereas PvEers, with event tickets, are 'forced' into PvP areas. Or we miss out on those tickets, and maybe even miss out on the exclusive upgrade part available only during that event.

Michae · August 2021

The IC quests are easy. Get a decent PvE setup on nightblade, get shadow cloak, and go in on non prime time (it's too late now but I did all of this before the event started). Go through each ladder up to get the quest, once you have all six just go through the districts completing them using shadow cloak. It's best to do the district closest to your base last (In my case, for EP, it's the Arena). Don't worry about Tel Var and stuff like that, just do the quests. Don't turn them in all at once, and presto! You have six days worth of quests and you don't have to bother anymore. On non prime time this takes 20 minutes to half an hour. You can do it on two characters to basically have the whole event covered in one go.

Really, aside from the risk of occasional ganking (which isn't that bothersome once you stop caring about Tel Var), those quests are completely PvE.

Vevvev · August 2021

ZOS loves making all of it's players try a little of everything to liven things up a little. As long as they keep cycling players through content then the players themselves will find more and more things to do and stay longer. I call myself a PvPer but only because it's my favorite gameplay loop when in fact I PvE, RP, and PvP depending on my mood and if I need anything.

I will say this though.... it might be slow, but go to the Arena district. The quest there can be done without ever leaving your alliance's spawn point and all it requires is a ranged attack.

TequilaFire · August 2021

Sarannah wrote: »

Arbiter7070 wrote: »

PVP’rs have had to PVE forever to get gear for PVP. We legit have to grind so much PVE in this game it’s unreal when most of us would just rather get our gear/skill lines through PVP methods and not touch PVE. There’s only a couple times a year where ZOS throws PVP players a bone and gives us an event. Keep in mind you don’t have to even do this event. And if you are doing terrible, maybe try building a character for PVP just for this event. PVP players have to build PVE characters for the higher end gear we want. If you want to do this event then build a character for it.

That is different. PvPers themselves choose to use PvE sets for PvP purposes. There are PvP sets dropping in the IC and Cyrodiil, if PvPers choose PvE sets above those, that is on the PvP players themselves.

Whereas PvEers, with event tickets, are 'forced' into PvP areas. Or we miss out on those tickets, and maybe even miss out on the exclusive upgrade part available only during that event.

Yes one could technically not leave Cyro, but it would take for ever to level a character, not to mention we are forced to PvE till level 10. Oh and we could never be a Werewolf or a Vampire.

Vevvev · August 2021

TequilaFire wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Arbiter7070 wrote: »

PVP’rs have had to PVE forever to get gear for PVP. We legit have to grind so much PVE in this game it’s unreal when most of us would just rather get our gear/skill lines through PVP methods and not touch PVE. There’s only a couple times a year where ZOS throws PVP players a bone and gives us an event. Keep in mind you don’t have to even do this event. And if you are doing terrible, maybe try building a character for PVP just for this event. PVP players have to build PVE characters for the higher end gear we want. If you want to do this event then build a character for it.

That is different. PvPers themselves choose to use PvE sets for PvP purposes. There are PvP sets dropping in the IC and Cyrodiil, if PvPers choose PvE sets above those, that is on the PvP players themselves.

Whereas PvEers, with event tickets, are 'forced' into PvP areas. Or we miss out on those tickets, and maybe even miss out on the exclusive upgrade part available only during that event.

Yes one could technically not leave Cyro, but it would take for ever to level a character, not to mention we are forced to PvE till level 10. Oh and we could never be a Werewolf or a Vampire.

Or get progress to Undaunted to fully max it out, access to the Psijic Order skill line, Antiquities that are the corner stone of some modern builds, certain PvE sets that work great like Burning Spellweave, etc, etc....

Arbiter7070 · August 2021

Sarannah wrote: »

Arbiter7070 wrote: »

PVP’rs have had to PVE forever to get gear for PVP. We legit have to grind so much PVE in this game it’s unreal when most of us would just rather get our gear/skill lines through PVP methods and not touch PVE. There’s only a couple times a year where ZOS throws PVP players a bone and gives us an event. Keep in mind you don’t have to even do this event. And if you are doing terrible, maybe try building a character for PVP just for this event. PVP players have to build PVE characters for the higher end gear we want. If you want to do this event then build a character for it.

That is different. PvPers themselves choose to use PvE sets for PvP purposes. There are PvP sets dropping in the IC and Cyrodiil, if PvPers choose PvE sets above those, that is on the PvP players themselves.

Whereas PvEers, with event tickets, are 'forced' into PvP areas. Or we miss out on those tickets, and maybe even miss out on the exclusive upgrade part available only during that event.

The majority of the gear in this game is acquired through PVE. Sure there are PVP sets but they pale in comparison to some of the dungeon and overland sets (besides the new PVP sets). So we’re forced to PVE to compete. Imagine if I just only used PVP sets, I would be playing with sub-optimal builds. I would also have little access to monster sets and some mythics. If you feel “forced” to go into PVP areas, maybe try making a build for it like us PVP players have had to do for years to complete PVE content for gear. I actually grew to like some of the PVE content in this game because I had to put effort to do it. Maybe the same could happen with PVE’rs. These events are supposed to showcase and highlight all areas of the game.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo · August 2021

I'm a PvPer and I couldn't even be bothered to go there either, OP. Don't worry, you are not alone in that mind set.
I couldn't even loot mobs I killed in overland either during the event...it's just messy and not very interesting as a whole.

Event quality needs to go upwards and actually be engaging, not just a farm and sit around.

B0SSzombie · August 2021

I love when people say something like "Well it's only fair, since PVP players HAVE to play PVE content" like that's the same thing.

There's no point in PVE where a Nightblade jumps out from a corner while you were trying to clear a boss or dolmen in PVE and insta kills you. One is predictable and fair, the other is not.

VaranisArano · August 2021

Why "make" PVEers PVP?

Couple reasons:

1. ESO features PvE, PvPvE, and PvP content. It's entirely reasonable that some events are going to feature PvPvE content with exclusive event rewards. Even if some players really hate PVP.
2. ESO balances PVP and PVE together, so it's beneficial when most of the playerbase is willing to casually PVP for event rewards. They take advice from player representatives who are experienced in both PVE and pVP, so again, it benefits them to get forum feedback from a playerbase that's at least casually familiar with both types of content.
3. Not most, but some players learn that they really enjoy PVP during events that feature PVP and PvPvE. Others learn that they really don't enjoy it, but as long as enough players are still willing to participate in the events for rewards, it's not like that matters to ZOS' metrics.
4. White Gold Tower is bugged, which is the only reasonable reason I can think of for why ZOS didn't give the WGT/ICP dungeons as a PVE-only ticket option when they have for all past Imperial City events.

Finally, it's worth noting that ZOS has ramped up the monetization of player avoidance. Some of the players who don't want to play in IC are going to buy event tickets from the Crown Store. Ka-ching!

So, ah, ZOS is sticking exclusive event rewards in PvPvE zones because it benefits them.

If you don't like it, and you want to send a message, don't do the IC parts and don't buy tickets from the Crown Store. When you grit your teeth and go to IC, complaining all the way, what you really do is tell ZOS that's you'll do it for a sufficiently rewarding carrot. When you buy event tickets from the Crown Store, what you really do is tell ZOS they can get you to spend money in order to avoid PVP.

(Caveat: putting exclusive rewards in PvPvE zones or PVP activities like Battlegrounds is not forcing anyone to do them. That uncomfortable feeling is ZOS pushing on the "fear of missing out" button we have, strongly encouraging us to do things we may not want to do in order to get rewards. It's 100% up to you if you let ZOS pushing that button push you into doing content you dislike.)

Vevvev · August 2021

B0SSzombie wrote: »

I love when people say something like "Well it's only fair, since PVP players HAVE to play PVE content" like that's the same thing.

There's no point in PVE where a Nightblade jumps out from a corner while you were trying to clear a boss or dolmen in PVE and insta kills you. One is predictable and fair, the other is not.

One is co-op allowing groups to put certain responsibilities on others and become hyper specialized, while the other requires you to perform all three roles at the same time. If you are not tanky enough to survive the nightblade gank then you need to change your build to include more defense in the form of health and/or resistances. The reveal abilities got heavily buffed this patch and it's an amazing counter to Nightblade, especially if you throw the massive flares around, or cast Magelight/Skilled Tracker when you are capping a flag.

People new to PvP don't understand how bad it is to run a build with less than 25k HP this patch, and the more awareness we spread on how to prepare yourself going into these zones the better off people will be.

(Edited to include Magelight and Skilled Tracker because my silly brain forgot flare is pretty far in the Alliance War skill line)

Oreyn_Bearclaw · August 2021

These posts are so tiresome. If you want all the shineys this game has to offer, you need to play all the game. I don't particularly like camping a world boss with 30 people that I can kill myself, or doing a daily delve quest I have already done a hundred times, but if I want tickets that day, that's what I do.

Stop acting like a victim, nobody is forcing you to do anything.

And if you really want some actual advice, make a cloak blade and take 5 minutes to knock out a quest. Worst case scenario, you get ganked in the few seconds you decloak to interact with a quest objective, respawn at the base, and take a ladder to the same zone you were in to finish it off.

Alternatively, you could use this as an opportunity to increase your combat skills a bit, which is the problem 99% of the time.

Marillea · August 2021

Every single time... It's 1 zone, out of 3.
It's 1 ticket out of 2. PvP in this game suck, events are the least they could give since we aren't getting a performance fix nor proper balance.
Partecipate, or don't. No one is making you.

kargen27 · August 2021

Sarannah wrote: »

Arbiter7070 wrote: »

PVP’rs have had to PVE forever to get gear for PVP. We legit have to grind so much PVE in this game it’s unreal when most of us would just rather get our gear/skill lines through PVP methods and not touch PVE. There’s only a couple times a year where ZOS throws PVP players a bone and gives us an event. Keep in mind you don’t have to even do this event. And if you are doing terrible, maybe try building a character for PVP just for this event. PVP players have to build PVE characters for the higher end gear we want. If you want to do this event then build a character for it.

That is different. PvPers themselves choose to use PvE sets for PvP purposes. There are PvP sets dropping in the IC and Cyrodiil, if PvPers choose PvE sets above those, that is on the PvP players themselves.

Whereas PvEers, with event tickets, are 'forced' into PvP areas. Or we miss out on those tickets, and maybe even miss out on the exclusive upgrade part available only during that event.

These events are in part a way to get players to try different content or repeat content they might not have done for a while. Players doing a variety of content and repeating content is needed to keep an MMO healthy and vibrant. That is why gear good for PvP can be found in trials and why skills good for trials can be acquired doing PvP.

You are right, there is a difference in PvP'rs getting gear from PvE activities and PvE'rs getting tickets doing stuff in a PvP zone. The gear can affect the outcome of gameplay. It makes a difference in the game. The things you get with the tickets make no difference at all in actual gameplay other than an aesthetic quality.

If the PvP crowd refuses to PvE they miss out on those sets. if the PvE crowd refuses to venture into Imperial City for this event they may miss out on certain items. The PvP crowd can just use different gear as you suggested and the PvE crowd can just ride a different mount.

Marcus_Aurelius · August 2021

Imagine complaining for ONE ticket from PvP when at least 95% of them are from PvE.
Imagine if all the PvPers were whining like you guys do.

Lady_Galadhiel · August 2021

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Imagine complaining for ONE ticket from PvP when at least 95% of them are from PvE.
Imagine if all the PvPers were whining like you guys do.

Then there wouldn't be that many of them because majority of eso players are PvE players.

Marcus_Aurelius · August 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Imagine complaining for ONE ticket from PvP when at least 95% of them are from PvE.
Imagine if all the PvPers were whining like you guys do.

Then there wouldn't be that many of them because majority of eso players are PvE players.

Majority of people I know are PvX players that enjoy both to some extent.

Vevvev · August 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Marcus_Aurelius wrote: »

Imagine complaining for ONE ticket from PvP when at least 95% of them are from PvE.
Imagine if all the PvPers were whining like you guys do.

Then there wouldn't be that many of them because majority of eso players are PvE players.

Or maybe it's because we PvPers can do PvE content with our hands tied behind our backs???

Like seriously, the tickets are not hard to earn.

kringled_1 · August 2021

For me, the worst part of this event and mym is how much worse the ladder spam gets during the event. (Attempted jump failed. You are already queued for that campaign.) Spending several minutes just to get the dailies is not ideal, I'd rather be wandering around the city.

SilverBride · August 2021

B0SSzombie wrote: »

I love when people say something like "Well it's only fair, since PVP players HAVE to play PVE content" like that's the same thing.

It is the same thing. I'm not a PvPer but I feel those who are should have some events, and endeavors and other content for how they like to play, too. And PvEers can still do the PvP content. If they choose not to that's on them.

kargen27 · August 2021

kringled_1 wrote: »

For me, the worst part of this event and mym is how much worse the ladder spam gets during the event. (Attempted jump failed. You are already queued for that campaign.) Spending several minutes just to get the dailies is not ideal, I'd rather be wandering around the city.

yeah this is the truly irritating thing. if the ladders worked right dying would be a really minor inconvenience.

PunkAben · August 2021

Zenimax PvP sucks badly and that's why PvP is so dead!
It is for sure easier to go from PvP to PvE and not many PvP players haven't done some kind of PvP.
Going from PvE to PvP and most people give up and Zenimax should have known.
It telling me how much Zenimax know about their own game and it is scared.

Integral1900 · August 2021

I wouldn’t worry about it. It’s a new amount which means we will probably use it once or twice and then consign it to the great warehouse of mounts in the sky. Also, if you want to be cheered up, just imagine that the moment this event is over, Imperial city, one of the least successful releases in the history of this game, will be returned to the lifeless desert that it is most of the time.