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ESO currencies
Dzadzey
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Seriously...two currencies...gold and crowns. Everything else is just ripping off the player base.
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SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How so? Each currency-- writ vouchers, event tickets, Alliance Points, Tel Var stones, transmute crystals, etc.-- is earned from a particular set of activities and has its own set of things you can buy with it. Where's the ripoff? Genuinely asking.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!15 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »How so? Each currency-- writ vouchers, event tickets, Alliance Points, Tel Var stones, transmute crystals, etc.-- is earned from a particular set of activities and has its own set of things you can buy with it. Where's the ripoff? Genuinely asking.
And honestly, by this point I'm used to online games having dozens of currencies/tokens/etc to earn & spend. I've never understood what the problem is, it's generally pretty straightforward.4 -
newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »How so? Each currency-- writ vouchers, event tickets, Alliance Points, Tel Var stones, transmute crystals, etc.-- is earned from a particular set of activities and has its own set of things you can buy with it. Where's the ripoff? Genuinely asking.
Same here...in a way I kind of like that I don't have to worry much about anything other than event stuff with tickets and so on.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis1 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SeaGtGruff wrote: »How so? Each currency-- writ vouchers, event tickets, Alliance Points, Tel Var stones, transmute crystals, etc.-- is earned from a particular set of activities and has its own set of things you can buy with it. Where's the ripoff? Genuinely asking.
and I agree with this sentiment and question as well.
I also wonder how these items earned in-game are a rip-off but somehow crowns are just fine. I am not complaining about crowns, just curious about the reasoning.3 -
GenjiraX✭✭✭✭✭They're like vouchers you cut out of magazines or supermarket loyalty card points or McDonald's coffee bean sticker things or green shield stamps. There's no problem.0
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Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The purpose of having different currencies is so you have to do a variety of things to earn all the rewards.
Otherwise someone could spend all their time flipping items in guild traders and buy all the PvP rewards, event rewards etc. without ever touching that content.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"5 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The OP hasn't answered, so I can only assume that their gripe might be due to being a new player and discovering that there's a lot of gear and other items (mounts, pets, and so on) or services (such as transmutation) which can only be purchased with other types of currency which must be earned by engaging in special activities and accumulated over time.
If that's it, I can understand their annoyance, although I think calling it a "ripoff" is a bit of a stretch-- a "hassle," perhaps, but not a "ripoff" per se.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!2 -
Dzadzey✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »How so? Each currency-- writ vouchers, event tickets, Alliance Points, Tel Var stones, transmute crystals, etc.-- is earned from a particular set of activities and has its own set of things you can buy with it. Where's the ripoff? Genuinely asking.
Same here...in a way I kind of like that I don't have to worry much about anything other than event stuff with tickets and so on.
I am speaking in reference, primarily, to the "crown gems" fraud. Crown gems, as we are all aware, are obtained through converting items from crown crates which are already owned, and certain daily rewards, into crown gems. From what I can see...and do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...The bulk of crown gem accumulation is a result the sale of crown crates and conversion of the items they contain. The purchase of crown crates is, to my mind, throwing good money after bad. And in my experience, the items contained in those crates are mostly useless. I don't buy them...so no crown gems...so no perks and nice to haves that come of for purchase...ONLY WITH CROWN GEMS. Hence my use of the term "fraud" in reference to crown gems and crown crates.0 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you wanted to comment on crown gems specifically it would have been more useful to do that in the first post, instead of vaguely alluding to some sort of problem with currencies in general. That way everyone would have understood what you were talking about and not wasted time trying to guess at the point and then respond to it.
And yes, crown crates are loot boxes and like all loot boxes the point is to get players to spend far more money than they would on a direct purchase. The gems are a compensation prize so ZOS can honestly say you'll always get something from them (which allows them to avoid being classified as gambling under many counties current legislation). It's not supposed to be a good system for players, it's supposed to be an expensive one.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"1 -
Kelinmiriel✭✭✭✭✭Many people have complained about crown crates and crown gems being a rip off ever since they premiered, but a couple months ago, a new currency was introduced that can be earned in game, which can be used to purchase anything that's available for crown gems. Check out "Seals of Endeavor", under the "Group Finder" option, or through the Crown Store, there's a tab on the top for it.
Also, it's possible to earn crown gems by signing up for a Twitch account and linking your ESO account to Twitch, then keeping an eye on when there are free crates available by tuning in to certain Twitch streams (and which ones, and for how long.) The crates you get via Twitch have a rare chance of dropping a pet or mount that can only be received through those crates, but other than that, everything in them can be exchanged for gems. It's not a lot of gems per crate, usually, but they add up.
Hope that helps.Event Tracker addon (PC NA/EU)
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »How so? Each currency-- writ vouchers, event tickets, Alliance Points, Tel Var stones, transmute crystals, etc.-- is earned from a particular set of activities and has its own set of things you can buy with it. Where's the ripoff? Genuinely asking.
Same here...in a way I kind of like that I don't have to worry much about anything other than event stuff with tickets and so on.
I am speaking in reference, primarily, to the "crown gems" fraud. Crown gems, as we are all aware, are obtained through converting items from crown crates which are already owned, and certain daily rewards, into crown gems. From what I can see...and do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...The bulk of crown gem accumulation is a result the sale of crown crates and conversion of the items they contain. The purchase of crown crates is, to my mind, throwing good money after bad. And in my experience, the items contained in those crates are mostly useless. I don't buy them...so no crown gems...so no perks and nice to haves that come of for purchase...ONLY WITH CROWN GEMS. Hence my use of the term "fraud" in reference to crown gems and crown crates.
Crown gems are not a game currency. They are used to purchase certain items in the crown store but those items are bound to the persons account. They can't be gifted nor traded. Basically they are a way to eventually get mostly cosmetic items that have no impact on the game.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am speaking in reference, primarily, to the "crown gems" fraud. Crown gems, as we are all aware, are obtained through converting items from crown crates which are already owned, and certain daily rewards, into crown gems. From what I can see...and do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...The bulk of crown gem accumulation is a result the sale of crown crates and conversion of the items they contain. The purchase of crown crates is, to my mind, throwing good money after bad. And in my experience, the items contained in those crates are mostly useless. I don't buy them...so no crown gems...so no perks and nice to haves that come of for purchase...ONLY WITH CROWN GEMS. Hence my use of the term "fraud" in reference to crown gems and crown crates.
In The Beginning:
Crates/Lockboxes/whatever, just gave you a random chance at some stuff. If you got a dupe, or things you didn't want? Too bad! You lose!
So, in order to make them a bit less unfriendly, game companies added Consolation Currencies to them. Lobi Crystals in Star Trek Online, for example. Crown gems, in ESO, are the same thing. If you get a duplicate item, instead of just losing out, you get some gems. You can also sell off non-collectables for gems. Those gems can then be used to directly buy crate items that you've been unable to get by RNG. They are therefore supposed to be a good thing, and "anti"-ripoff.
The first year of crates, they gave out vast amounts of free ones. Some people managed to get hundreds. Which meant they had huge piles of gems. Ditto for whales who bought piles of crates. This meant that when new seasons of crates came around, they didn't have any need to buy anything, they could just get it all with saved up hoards of gems. So ZOS added "radiant apex" prizes that couldn't be bought directly, and they added "gem only" items as an attempt at a gem sink, to get rid of some of that massive backlog of gems people had saved.
Of course, for people who didn't have a vast pile of gems, and really wanted those "gem only" items... well, it's less than ideal.
tl;dr - you're not supposed to be going after gems directly, they're supposed to be a byproduct of buying crates for the things in them, with gems being a consolation prize / bonus. Of course, human nature being what it is, people in various games have decided that these consolation prizes are the actual thing they want, and then complain that they're too expensive.
It may be a lousy system, but in no way is it "fraud".
edit: for the record, I've never bought any crown crates, I think they're a waste of money. I did save up a few hundred gems during the Year Of Free Crates, and still have about 100 left, since I only buy lower-tier cosmetic items with them.Edited by Kiralyn2000 on August 25, 2021 1:38AM0 -
SeaGtGruff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have never purchased a Crown Crate. Not a single one-- never, ever.
And yet, I've been able to purchase numerous pets and (rarely) an occasional mount with Crown Gems.
This was possible because I used to have several items in my inventory that were (for lack of a better term) "Crown Gem" items, by which I mean they were displayed with a Crown Gem in the inventory list and could be converted into Crown Gems. If I remember correctly, they were all bonus items I'd received by purchasing Collector's Editions of various chapters and DLCs-- things like experience scrolls, crown soul gems, Gold Coast scrolls and potions, etc. I used to save these because I thought they were "special" and I didn't want to use them. They sat in my inventory for the longest time, until eventually I started to run out of space (because I didn't have the Craft Bag yet) and finally decided to convert them all into Crown Gems.
I've also been able to acquire additional Crown Gems from getting free Crown Crate drops by watching ESO streams on Twitch and then converting everything to Crown Gems.
So purchasing Crown Crates isn't the only way to obtain Crown Gems.
EDIT: To be clear-- and to be fair-- I don't think I've ever bought any pet or mount that cost more than 40 Crown Gems; most of them cost just 16 Crown Gems, and on occasion I've been able to buy something for 40 Crown Gems. I've never been particularly interested in the "radiant" or other "special" pets and mounts, although I've gotten some on occasion from Twitch drops or Collector's Editions.Edited by SeaGtGruff on August 25, 2021 4:26AMI've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
Amottica✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭newtinmpls wrote: »SeaGtGruff wrote: »How so? Each currency-- writ vouchers, event tickets, Alliance Points, Tel Var stones, transmute crystals, etc.-- is earned from a particular set of activities and has its own set of things you can buy with it. Where's the ripoff? Genuinely asking.
Same here...in a way I kind of like that I don't have to worry much about anything other than event stuff with tickets and so on.
I am speaking in reference, primarily, to the "crown gems" fraud. Crown gems, as we are all aware, are obtained through converting items from crown crates which are already owned, and certain daily rewards, into crown gems. From what I can see...and do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...The bulk of crown gem accumulation is a result the sale of crown crates and conversion of the items they contain. The purchase of crown crates is, to my mind, throwing good money after bad. And in my experience, the items contained in those crates are mostly useless. I don't buy them...so no crown gems...so no perks and nice to haves that come of for purchase...ONLY WITH CROWN GEMS. Hence my use of the term "fraud" in reference to crown gems and crown crates.
No offense but this was not clear in the OP which is evident that many of us thought you were complaining about actual in-game currencies we earn while playing the game. Specifically stating the gripe is over the crown gems would have cleared up that matter.1