temerley wrote: »

Genuinely curious, I’d rather have the forums managers answer this rather than the players.

With all due respect, it’s going to be a very short thread.

Because PvE content brings in more players, more money.

Jameson18 wrote: »

Edit; I wonder if people are aware that Quake was big PvP.

Every so often I'll play Quake 3 Arena. It's amazing how that old game still has a PvP community all these decades later.

Bottom line. Lag doesn't look good in those presentations. PvP is and always will be the red headed step child of ESO's dev team. If Zeni wanted to fix it, they would have by now. The performance year was just talk and wasted testing time. It was an interruption to players, caused us to have to rethink builds, build characters 2 - 3 x over during, move campaigns, etc.

It's been a rough year on us with no real wins that I can think of as a Ravenwatch player myself. Between that and huge imbalance in faction pops due to guilds shifting and moving around between alliances (mainly AD and DC), EP is left to be a basement dweller and ganged up on faction there over recent months. I still try and find what balanced action I can, but some nights it's worthless as an EP player. Pop locked campaigns would be a welcome addition to the game for sure right now. But, again, who cares, right?

I just try and enjoy what good the game has some 7 years deep now. Focusing on progressive trials rather than the PvP mess atm. I get my tier three rewards on multiple toons, do BG's for transmutes and leave it at that. It's just not in a place that keeps your heart in it anymore. And it's sad, because on paper, it's a great system and if it worked without the incredible lag, it would be the best on the market HANDS DOWN. I guess it's just not worth the investment.

We knew post Skyrim that PvE was going to sell this game. It's no coincidence as to when this dropped (after the most heavily played TES game aged enough that we needed a new fix in the age of multiplayer. Smart business move. But, it was a hybrid type of MMO designed to pull at console players, TES/Skyrim fans, and other RPG enthusiasts. It never was meant to capture PvP audiences at ANY GIVEN POINT.

Oh look, how surprising. The forum warriors are here trying to push the narrative that nobody plays ESO for the pvp and that the interest in it is nonexistent. It’s undeniable that the game was mostly popular due to the draw of pvp in the early stages, and over time, ZOS took the more casual approach and drove the majority of pvp’ers away.

Watching some good quality pvp is infinitely more entertaining in a general sense than watching somebody quest or do dungeons. There is a reason that the top games on Twitch generally have competitive pvp elements. It’s an aspect of ESO that could bring in a lot of players if performance was fixed.

Sindrik8x wrote: »

We knew post Skyrim that PvE was going to sell this game.

I don't think the devs knew that!

The game in beta was heavily focused on funneling you into PvP. You did Level 1 to 50 as PvE zones and then there was Cyrodiil. The ability to play other faction zones as "Veteran Rank zones" was added kind of haphazardly in beta after complaints about lack of PvE content after Level 50. It is why the Cadwell's Silver/Gold concept is so weird and non-intuitive. A veteran DC character was never meant to adventure in Auridon. They were meant to go to Cyrodiil.

And then people complained that you could not solo those VR PvE zones. And then when they released Craglorn, people complained that you could not solo that VR PvE zone. And when they released the first DLC, they made it Imperial City. And everybody complained about having to PvP to get the latest gear and crafting materials.

I think the devs really wanted PvP to be the main endgame content and it was the players who pulled them away from that, not the devs.

Jameson18 wrote: »

Sindrik8x wrote: »

It never was meant to capture PvP audiences at ANY GIVEN POINT.

I don't personally know or play with anyone that came to this game for the pve.

I came here specifically for PVE. It is exactly the look, story type and mechanics I was looking for. I avoided Pvp for several years because there are a lot of jerks who like to prey on people they feel are less than them (which the pvp community might want to address if they want the numbers to rise) and I had far more fun offered by the well crafted quests and dungeons.

Well cue in several years later and meeting some cool Pvpers and now I'm in Cyrodil or IC nearly every day on 2 servers.

So indeed there's the possibility to capture new Pvp players, but until they address the lag, they are not in a position to showcase it. That would just be stupid.